Coronavirus thread

[MusicTurner]

What you have written at the top, about the flu vaccine conferring immunity to CoV, doesn't make sense and I don't see reference to it skimming the articles you cite. vaccines are very specific, polio vaccine does not protect against measles, etc, and flu vaccines themselves have to be reformulated every year because different strains of the flu propagate every year. What is the same is the basic premise, introducing a small amount of a weak strain of the virus, or of a fragment of the virus, that can provoke an immune response without causing illness.

Public health officials and politicians can't entirely rely on optimistic assumptions that a vaccine will be available in a short time line due to miraculous advances in medical science. Just from having my kid vaccinated, I know there are vaccines for which you have to wait months for the person to develop an immune response, and others where immunity decays away unless a booster vaccine is given a set time afterwards. Even presented with a working vaccine, it can take years to determine that it is safe, that it works, and what the sufficient and safe dosage is.

And there could be no vaccine. Someone has to be thinking about how to resume our culture with Covid-19 as a seasonal disease, like flu.

I am just referring to the summary of the Danish media, including the views of Danish scientists concerning the mentioned vaccine described there, and some recent English-language sources, including quotes from the articles.

[Carlo Gesualdo]

Trick to fight covid 19

buy some honey  take regular scoop , tea spoon enought  4 time a day

Do the same whit mouth wash  use iit 4 time a day.

Take care and eat lost of agrume (orange, pine apple, clementine etc)

[arpeggio]

In an editorial in the Washington Post a writer brought up an old classic joke.

There was a flood and in order to escape the rising waters a man took refuge on the roof of his home.

Along came a man in a row boat and offered to save him. The man on the roof responded that there was no need. God would save him.

A little later a man in a motor boat came by and offered to save him. Again the man on the roof responded that there was no need. God would save him.

Finally a helicopter flew by and threw him a rope. Again the man on the roof responded that there was no need. God would save him.

Eventually he was swept away by the waters and drowned.

When he got to heaven he asked God why he did not save him.

God responded, "I sent you a row boat, a motor boat and a helicopter. What more did you want?"

I know. it is a moldy oldie.

[SimonNZ]

Trick to fight covid 19

buy some honey  take regular scoop , tea spoon enought  4 time a day

Do the same whit mouth wash  use iit 4 time a day.

Take care and eat lost of agrume (orange, pine apple, clementine etc)

Please link to any covid-related medical research supporting this.


That may be considerably less harmful than recommending drinking bleach or fish-tank cleaner, but its still misinformation.

[SimonNZ]

God responded, "I sent you a row boat, a motor boat and a helicopter. What more did you want?"

"What I'd want is for you to not send floods."

[JBS]

Please link to any covid-related medical research supporting this.


That may be considerably less harmful than recommending drinking bleach or fish-tank cleaner, but its still misinformation.

The mouthwash would presumably be effective on any virus that it can reach in your mouth.

My former GP used to say honey has antibiotic properties, but said nothing to suggest it works against viruses.

[Ratliff]

The mouthwash would presumably be effective on any virus that it can reach in your mouth.

Listerine claims to kill "99.9" of germs that cause gingivitis. Aside from the absurdity of the 99.9% number, this would mean it has antibacterial activity, not anti-viral activity. Some varieties of Listerine contain alcohol, but not in high enough concentration to serve as a disinfectant. (I believe 60% alcohol is cites as sufficient.)

No, excessive use of Listerine is not harmful, bit thinking you are protected when you are not could lead to taking ill-advised risks.

[pjme]

"My former GP used to say honey has antibiotic properties, but said nothing to suggest it works against viruses."

"Antibiotic properties". first of all, honey is primarily made up of sugar. But it is not as simple as that:

"....This study suggests that 13 strains of LAB taken from honeybees' stomachs are effective against a yeast and several bacteria that are often present in human wounds. Although the experiments suggested that the LABs could inhibit the bacteria more than some antibiotics, they did not show that this effect was large enough to be relatively certain it did not occur by chance. All of the tests were done in a laboratory environment, so it remains to be seen whether similar effects would be seen when treating real human wounds.

There were some aspects of the study that were not clear, including the antibiotic dose that was used and whether the dose used was optimal, or had already been used in the clinical setting where the species were collected. The authors also report that an antibiotic was used as a control for each bacteria and the yeast, but this is not clearly presented in the tables of the study, making it difficult to assess whether this is correct.

The study has shown that each LAB produces a different amount or type of potentially toxic substances. It is not clear how these substances interact to combat the infections, but it appears that they work more effectively in combination.

Low concentrations of some of the substances that could be killing the bacteria and yeast were found in shop-bought honey, but this study does not prove that they would have antibacterial effects. In addition, as the researchers point out, shop-bought honey does not contain any LABs".

Read the complete article at:

https://www.nhs.uk/news/medication/bacteria-found-in-honey-may-help-fight-infection/

And don't forget:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/infectious-diseases/expert-answers/infectious-disease/faq-20058098

[Florestan]

In an editorial in the Washington Post a writer brought up an old classic joke.

There was a flood and in order to escape the rising waters a man took refuge on the roof of his home.

Along came a man in a row boat and offered to save him. The man on the roof responded that there was no need. God would save him.

A little later a man in a motor boat came by and offered to save him. Again the man on the roof responded that there was no need. God would save him.

Finally a helicopter flew by and threw him a rope. Again the man on the roof responded that there was no need. God would save him.

Eventually he was swept away by the waters and drowned.

When he got to heaven he asked God why he did not save him.

God responded, "I sent you a row boat, a motor boat and a helicopter. What more did you want?"

I know. it is a moldy oldie.

A classic indeed. Here's another one.

A man was driving to an interview for a job he desperately needed. When he arrived at the office building, the parking lots were all occupied. After 10 minutes of driving around and no free lot in sight, as the time of the interview approached rapidly, he began to pray: "Please, God, make it so that I find a place to park to my car. I promise I won't drink nor womanize anymore if you do just that, plus I'll donate half of my first salary to a charity!" No sooner had he finished the prayer that a car which was parked 5 meters away from him left the parking lot. The guy then said "Ah, very good. Lord, forget about the whole thing, there's no need anymore."

[André]

Listerine claims to kill "99.9" of germs that cause gingivitis. Aside from the absurdity of the 99.9% number, this would mean it has antibacterial activity, not anti-viral activity. Some varieties of Listerine contain alcohol, but not in high enough concentration to serve as a disinfectant. (I believe 60% alcohol is cites as sufficient.)

No, excessive use of Listerine is not harmful, bit thinking you are protected when you are not could lead to taking ill-advised risks.

Indeed. A mouthwash is designed to kill bacteria that cause bad breath, period. The label on my mouthwash bottle says the alcohol content is 8%. It has no effect on viruses. Only soap or javel kill the coronavirus by contact.

[Daverz]

Indeed. A mouthwash is designed to kill bacteria that cause bad breath, period. The label on my mouthwash bottle says the alcohol content is 8%. It has no effect on viruses. Only soap or javel kill the coronavirus by contact.

Had to look up javel AKA bleach AKA sodium hypochlorite.  I thought you were advocating something to do with coffee at first.

[greg]

This thread is more chaotic than a horde of gay zombies invading a football stadium during the Super Bowl trying to eat a few thousand peepees so they can acquire the power to merge into a super zombie that can be used by the CIA to broadcast mind control signals.

...while simultaneously monkeys are thrown in the stadium with the intent of throwing their poo everywhere to prevent people from escaping.

[drogulus]

This thread is more chaotic than a horde of gay zombies invading a football stadium during the Super Bowl trying to eat a few thousand peepees so they can acquire the power to merge into a super zombie that can be used by the CIA to broadcast mind control signals.

...while simultaneously monkeys are thrown in the stadium with the intent of throwing their poo everywhere to prevent people from escaping.

     Though it's an accurate description of the thread, I find nothing to worry about in a gay CIA zombie infestation. Monkeys in a football stadium sounds like an urban myth.

     In Massachusetts the new case totals are dropping. Daily deaths have leveled off.

[Carlo Gesualdo]

Now  how about  garlicand onion benefit against bacteria a Friend a Lebanese dude told me ...

Ognion soup whit garlic often could be good for covid, he said eat daily onions and garlic or garlic sauce  (just like in lebanese  dish).

Maple syrup is another thing too like honey not proven 100% , but are ancestor use it for sick people?

What do you think guys?

[André]

Now  how about  garlicand onion benefit against bacteria a Friend a Lebanese dude told me ...

Ognion soup whit garlic often could be good for covid, he said eat daily onions and garlic or garlic sauce  (just like in lebanese  dish).

Maple syrup is another thing too like honey not proven 100% , but are ancestor use it for sick people?

What do you think guys?

Daily onions and garlic or garlic sauce is a surefire recipe for proper social distanciation. That's an excellent start! 

[SimonNZ]

What do you think guys?

I think I'm actually insulted that you're continuing to post home remedies for minor illness on the coronavirus thread.

Please stop.

[JBS]

This thread is starting to remind me of the pages of the Talmud being read today and tomorrow as part of the Daf Yomi cycle
https://www.sefaria.org/Shabbat.66b?lang=bi

Start reading with

GEMARA: We learned in the mishna that young boys may go out on Shabbat with knots. The Gemara asks: What are these knots? Adda Mari said that Rav Naḥman bar Barukh said that Rav Ashi bar Avin said that Rav Yehuda said: They are garlands of the madder plant that are tied for their medicinal qualities.

Then whole thing stretches out almost to the end of folio 67, and gets really wierd towards the end when it switches over to discussing non Jewish superstitions. (Although the Jewish ones are weird enough.)  But that's what people did for medicine in the Middle East c 300-400 CE.

[Carlo Gesualdo]

I think I'm actually insulted that you're continuing to post home remedies for minor illness on the coronavirus thread.

Please stop.

Sorry buddy  SimonNZ , I,m only trying to do this out of good will for all , if you disagree , it's ok, but please don't be so harsh whit me,I,m only trying to suggest stuff that might  or might not work, don't take it that way please



p.s I WILL STOP but dont take it personnal do you have a grudge against me, you don't seem to like me, you criticize me all the f*ckin time why?? Simon do you hate me that much??

P.S SimonNZ , you're nick does it mean Simon  New zealand or Simon the nazi?

I DON'T DESERVE THIS KIND OF  RUBBISH TREATMENT, i use to like you're post now I see you seem to have a rotten tooth against me, for what living in stinking quebec , being french descent, we are all moron and that it for you, I,m angry and I,m the one that insulted... instead of fighting like children we should all be ''solidaire to this virus'' who whit me please?

[Karl Henning]

Now  how about  garlicand onion benefit against bacteria a Friend a Lebanese dude told me ...

Ognion soup whit garlic often could be good for covid, he said eat daily onions and garlic or garlic sauce  (just like in lebanese  dish).

Maple syrup is another thing too like honey not proven 100% , but are ancestor use it for sick people?

What do you think guys?

They call garlic "Russian penicillin"

[arpeggio]

In another forum the moderators closed down a coronavirus thread because the discussion got too political.  They are trying to start a new non-political thread.

I do not see how this is possible.

This issue has been political in the United States since this crisis began.

There are many Americans who still do not think this is a real crisis and the bases for their beliefs are political and religious.