Coronavirus thread

[DavidW]

How so, DavidW?  I rec'd mine yesterday AM, and upper arm hurts real bad still, perhaps a slight rise in temp. last night (I didn't measure it to be sure, but strongly suspected).  Certainly felt warm on a chilly night and also, very, very tired.

Same symptoms as you plus a headache and muscle pains.

[Harry]

How so, DavidW?  I rec'd mine yesterday AM, and upper arm hurts real bad still, perhaps a slight rise in temp. last night (I didn't measure it to be sure, but strongly suspected).  Certainly felt warm on a chilly night and also, very, very tired.

Which vaccin did you get.

[Harry]

Coming Monday I get my Zeneca jab. I know for sure that many let it pass, but I will get it anyway.
I am prepared for some response, more or less.

[prémont]

Coming Monday I get my Zeneca jab. I know for sure that many let it pass, but I will get it anyway.
I am prepared for some response, more or less.

Good decision.

[prémont]

How so, DavidW?  I rec'd mine yesterday AM, and upper arm hurts real bad still, perhaps a slight rise in temp. last night (I didn't measure it to be sure, but strongly suspected).  Certainly felt warm on a chilly night and also, very, very tired.

I got my second Pfizer Wednesday, - no discomfort but a very transitory soreness in the shoulder. So my immune response may be limited.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Reports are that vaccines reduce the risks of infecting others, it was reported even today as well. Needs further studies, but maybe up to 90%.

Tests can be inaccurate, but they are mostly correct, PCRs up to 95%.

So even if there's still a risk, it is significantly lowered. That's the whole point.

Besides, due to work, I've had to use public transport for 3 days with half a dozen of daily hours in metropolitan trains etc., and it was very umpleasant how corona fatigue and lack of control have made an increasing number of people irresponsible or downright provocative, say as regards wearing masks, keeping distance, approaching people and shouting etc. I did not feel safe. As a result, I've had to order another PCR, my 6th, on Sunday. With a lower infection rate due to the pass in certain public spaces, even such behaviour there would pose less of a risk.

Like it's been the case, I won't be taking public transport unless absolutely necessary, but with a pass, I'd be able to do some cultural activities, eating out, tourist accommodation and possibly travels abroad etc., in a safer environment. Obviously, also safer for people working there, if places are allowed/supposed to open to the public.

That sounds very rough MT.  I'm sorry that you're having to deal with public transport, people under stress acting irresponsibly and/or not taking it seriously, etc.  That must be stressful and hard to deal with.

PD

[Karl Henning]

Vaccine skepticism and disregard for containment efforts go hand in hand

[vandermolen]

That sounds very rough MT.  I'm sorry that you're having to deal with public transport, people under stress acting irresponsibly and/or not taking it seriously, etc.  That must be stressful and hard to deal with.

PD

+1

[DavidW]

I've had to use public transport for 3 days with half a dozen of daily hours in metropolitan trains etc., and it was very umpleasant how corona fatigue and lack of control have made an increasing number of people irresponsible or downright provocative, say as regards wearing masks, keeping distance, approaching people and shouting etc. I did not feel safe.

I get angry just when I go to pick up takeout from a restaurant and it is packed with people not wearing masks (and I don't think they even brought them) as if there was no pandemic.  I always think of the Mask of the Red Death. 

I couldn't imagine needing to be in a public place (as opposed to just wanting to) and being surrounded by people not wearing masks for an extended period of time.

[Stürmisch Bewegt]

Same symptoms as you plus a headache and muscle pains.

Hope you're doing much better, DavidW.  Good excuse to pamper yourself with alimentary and audio treats!   

[Stürmisch Bewegt]

Which vaccin did you get.

Pfizer, which also coincidentally has a large presence in this town.  My "impaler" stabbed deep, I believe, more than I'm accustomed to at any rate...maybe I'd be doing better if I actually had some muscle there 

[Stürmisch Bewegt]

I get angry just when I go to pick up takeout from a restaurant and it is packed with people not wearing masks (and I don't think they even brought them) as if there was no pandemic.  I always think of the Mask of the Red Death. 

I couldn't imagine needing to be in a public place (as opposed to just wanting to) and being surrounded by people not wearing masks for an extended period of time.

Too many people obsessed with their own need for 'freedom,' with little regard or concern for others.  Twice this week I've asked people whose mask has slipped off their noses to pull them back up.  They complied but unapologetically. 

[André]

Pfizer, which also coincidentally has a large presence in this town.  My "impaler" stabbed deep, I believe, more than I'm accustomed to at any rate...maybe I'd be doing better if I actually had some muscle there 

Pfizer here too.  My impaler was so swift and adroit that I didn't realize she had stabbed. Didn't feel a thing, didn't see any sign of puncture or redness. I was really doubting it had been done at all (saving doses maybe?) until my upper arm started to feel a light soreness tonight, some 10 hours after the shot.

[DavidW]

I had the Moderna.  Basically everyone that went to hospitals or drives here received the Pfizer.  Everyone that went to pharmacies excepting Walmart received the Moderna here. 

[Mirror Image]

Mom got her first shot of Pfizer today. She'll go again in three weeks and get her second dosage. She has only complained of a sore arm right now, so crossing my fingers that's the only problem she encounters. She did mention that her arm hurt even more when she got her flu shot. I'll be following her in due course. I just need to make the phone call to get put on the waiting list.

[MusicTurner]

That sounds very rough MT.  I'm sorry that you're having to deal with public transport, people under stress acting irresponsibly and/or not taking it seriously, etc.  That must be stressful and hard to deal with.

PD

Thanks, well, one's thoughts go to those working under similar curcumstances every day. I think recommendations should be better enforced, but this would require a lot of ressources. But with a good result for the PCR on Sunday, I'll be fine, I've reduced public transport use by literally 99% or so in the previous year, and enjoyed biking more etc., it has worked OK. More people are using public transport now however, and as said, the attitude has become more anarchistic as well, by some.

[Que]

I think there is little doubt anymore that the AZ vaccine had serious side effects in few cases, even if the chances are extremely small.
Now, the occurence of side effects is very normal. But it is unfortunate that they can be very serious in this case.

Experts stress vaccine benefits outweigh risks after seven UK deaths

30 reported cases of blood-clotting issues after AstraZeneca Covid-19 jab out of 18m doses

After a death of a woman, The Netherlands has halted - again - the use of the vaccine for the under-60s. Germany never restarted.

Q

[Mandryka]

Reports are that vaccines reduce the risks of infecting others, it was reported even today as well. Needs further studies, but maybe up to 90%.

Tests can be inaccurate, but they are mostly correct, PCRs up to 95%.

So even if there's still a risk, it is significantly lowered. That's the whole point.

Besides, due to work, I've had to use public transport for 3 days with half a dozen of daily hours in metropolitan trains etc., and it was very umpleasant how corona fatigue and lack of control have made an increasing number of people irresponsible or downright provocative, say as regards wearing masks, keeping distance, approaching people and shouting etc. I did not feel safe. As a result, I've had to order another PCR, my 6th, on Sunday. With a lower infection rate due to the pass in certain public spaces, even such behaviour there would pose less of a risk.

Like it's been the case, I won't be taking public transport unless absolutely necessary, but with a pass, I'd be able to do some cultural activities, eating out, tourist accommodation and possibly travels abroad etc., in a safer environment. Obviously, also safer for people working there, if places are allowed/supposed to open to the public.

Yes, I quite agree, it's impossible to stay safe on public transport.

The last time I used the London Underground, on Wednesday, I felt it was fine going one way - in fact, it felt safer than a visit to the supermarket. On the way back it was a different story. This man was walking up and down and up and down the train, proclaiming to everyone that Jesus loves them. And then a couple of wineos got on and started to talk loudly with each other, shout at each other from one end of the carriage to the other. Next to me, a girl of about 15 started to have a video call without a mask with her friend.

When this crisis started I said to myself it isn't a political thing, but that was naive. It's the working class who need to use public transport to put bread on the table, and so, not surprisingly, it's the working class who are most hit  by the disease.

[Iota]

That sounds very rough MT.  I'm sorry that you're having to deal with public transport, people under stress acting irresponsibly and/or not taking it seriously, etc.  That must be stressful and hard to deal with.

PD

+2

[Iota]

When this crisis started I said to myself it isn't a political thing, but that was naive. It's the working class who need to use public transport to put bread on the table, and so, not surprisingly, it's the working class who are most hit  by the disease.

Indeed. A truth that is broadly evident in most crises.