The New Classical

[jwinter]

What planet are you guys from? 

I was beginning to wonder that myself.  I'd be afraid to read this thread out loud to my wife, she'd probably lose consciousness from laughing so hard.   

[Dancing Divertimentian]

Do we fear 'cultural decay' or do we fear the tin-brained zealots who squawk on and on about just WHAT is bringing on cultural decay?

I pick the latter simply because I'm much more likely to be straight-jacketed by that lot than by any vagaries of pop culture. Pop stuff I can ignore (if I ever leaned that way) but the 'culture police' certainly won't let me off that easy.

That is, if I read my history right...

[Josquin des Prez]

What planet are you guys from? 

Obligatory:

http://www.theabsolute.net/misogyny/onwomen.html

[Josquin des Prez]

Pop stuff I can ignore 

Really. How lucky of you. Me i had it shoved down my throat since the day i was born.

[Kullervo]

Because fun = self-indulgence. People, or rather, males (let's cut the chase shall we?) function properly only when they actively engage in constructive activities. Happiness lies not in personal gratification but in achievement (their own or that of others, which explains our little hobby here), whether it's the arts, sports, work or family. Witnessing the degradation of our general culture can bring real unhappiness, which in part explains violence among our youth, or why somehow children in a fully developed nation are among the most unhappy in the world:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2268082.ece

Females of course are little affected. They are the ones who prize 'fun', 'fulfillment' and 'social activities' above anything and from their part things are just peachy.

It's boys who suffer the most (intelligent boys in particular), and that can be seen from how fast they tend to drop out of school compared to girls, or why suicide is more common in males then females (86% of teenagers who die from suicide are boys, think about this figure for a second):

http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2006/02/boys-and-suicide_06.html

This kind of sophistry is exactly what we don't need.

[Josquin des Prez]

This kind of sophistry is exactly what we don't need.

Who said anything about need? I'm merely stating what is.

[Kullervo]

Who said anything about need? I'm merely stating what is.

According to flawed logic.

[jochanaan]

Obligatory:

http://www.theabsolute.net/misogyny/onwomen.html

Schopenhauer may have been wise in the ways of man, but he knew nothing of a woman's heart.  I can't claim to know much, but at least I've looked enough to know that many women go far beyond Schopenhauer's description.

Galatians 3:28

[some guy]

Hey, I have a radical idea--let's talk about music!

Too radical? Sorry. Girls are much more interesting than music, I know, even to misogynists, perhaps especially to misogynists.

Carry on....




[There's gotta be some forums where people do talk about music.... Hmmmm. Let's see... bondagebyrequest.com? Hey, that looks interesting.]

[71 dB]

That Hip Hop Violin is artificial. 

I've always felt that "electronica" is the new classical...and I don't mean that 60's weirdness that thrived in the world of academia...I mean groups like:

Autechre

I rank Autechre as one of the most interesting and important music makers in the world at the moment. Their music is definitely classical music of the future. Next year they will release a new album 'Quaristice'. 

[Josquin des Prez]

Schopenhauer may have been wise in the ways of man, but he knew nothing of a woman's heart.

Then all you have to do is read it from a woman's lips:

http://outcastsuperstar.blogspot.com/2007/06/manipulated-man-index.html

A very pitiful review making vacuous attempts at dismounting Vilars's razor-sharp rhetoric:

http://uncleeddiestheorycorner.blogspot.com/2007/06/book-review-manipulated-man.html

[jochanaan]

*sigh* If I weren't already tired of this entire dialogue, I'd suggest we take it to the Diner.  You can do just that if you want; I'm rehearsing with an American woman tonight. (Music rehearsal ONLY. )

[greg]

Then all you have to do is read it from a woman's lips:

http://outcastsuperstar.blogspot.com/2007/06/manipulated-man-index.html

trying to read some of this...

"To a woman love means power, to a man enslavement"
i like this one, and i see what she's saying here..... 
i value freedom over enslavement lol 

[gomro]

The new classical!

"New Classical" - nah, it's some sort of jazz. Sounds like the kind of thing Jean-Luc Ponty was doing 30 years ago -- of course, he had to have a band to back him. It's ok by me, but I wouldn't rush out to buy their album.