What are you currently reading?

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

Thank you for the explanation, Jo and Artem. My knowledge on the matter is very limited. I may have overestimated the difference of slavic languages from other (Indo) European languages.


P.s.. It seems to me that Idiot and Crime and Punishment are not comparisons to the Karamazov.

[milk]

Excellent work. Pinnacle of Mishima's aestheticism. One of David Bowie's favorite books. The original title of the book is A Ship Towing in the Afternoon.  The story is disturbing to many/most readers, but all readers would recognize Mishima's genius in the work.

The movie is a strangely attractive film as well.

It's been years since I read this but nowadays I find Mishima generally disturbing. My recollection of this is alienated, cold, narcissistic and depressing. That could be wrong since it's just a feeling about it that I retained from my youth. Now living in Japan, I can see post-war lit that way, except for Endo. Mishima ends up in a kind of horror - with a coup attempt and then a gory suicide.
Actually, events of late kind of reminded me of Mishima in a way. He didn't have much support at the time but, then again, he didn't have twitter or instagram.

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

It's been years since I read this but nowadays I find Mishima generally disturbing. My recollection of this is alienated, cold, narcissistic and depressing. That could be wrong since it's just a feeling about it that I retained from my youth. Now living in Japan, I can see post-war lit that way, except for Endo. Mishima ends up in a kind of horror - with a coup attempt and then a gory suicide.
Actually, events of late kind of reminded me of Mishima in a way. He didn't have much support at the time but, then again, he didn't have twitter or instagram.

Very fair. How about his ability of overall composition, depiction, literary expression and creating and contrasting characters? Do you have negative opinion about them?

Any opinion on Endo's Silence?

[vers la flamme]

Well I've started Mishima's Sailor and am finding it bewildering, but fascinating, so far. It's already abundantly clear that Mishima has created a totally unique aesthetic, to which he has committed his life and work. I am unfamiliar with his connections to Western culture, but I'm under the impression that surely, he must have been inspired by Wagner? The titular sailor's musings about love and death seem to be straight out of Tristan. Again, a fascinating read. I'm only about 50 pages in.

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

The Yage Letters. William Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg.

Burroughs' experience with shamanism in Amazon and Ginsberg's responses.

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

Well I've started Mishima's Sailor and am finding it bewildering, but fascinating, so far. It's already abundantly clear that Mishima has created a totally unique aesthetic, to which he has committed his life and work. I am unfamiliar with his connections to Western culture, but I'm under the impression that surely, he must have been inspired by Wagner? The titular sailor's musings about love and death seem to be straight out of Tristan. Again, a fascinating read. I'm only about 50 pages in.

I don't know musical influences on him. Literary influences on Mishima include Nietzsche, Cocteau, Oscar Wilde, Marquis de Sade, Kawabata, Akutagawa, etc.

Weird thing is that Mishima wrote a few comedies, and they are hilarious and hysterically funny.

[Florestan]

FMD was an orthodox reactionary

I'm currently reading his Diary of a Writer



So far, it contains several recurrent topics, such as: the housing and sanitation condition of the St. Petersburg underdogs; cruelty against children and animals; dissolution of community, solidarity and brotherhood and its effect on humans and society; rampant alcoholism, more often than not associated with violence against women; the moral condition of factory workers; the rule of money and money-making; usncrupulous lawyers; lack of care and compassion for the "humiliated and insulted"; the sterile self-righteousness of the liberal imtelligentsia, their professed love for Humanity (capital H) and their open disdain for the flesh-and-blood fellow man. Honestly, he reminds me much more of Dickens than of Pobedonostsev; anyway, if this is orthodox reactionarism, then count me in.

he was very insightful in the "dialectics" of liberalism described in "The demons", long before Adorno and others and long before the real horrors of 20th century totalitarianism. And many aspects seem to play out now very similarly again in the last 60 years (hopefully remaining mostly on the farcical level with a lower body count). What were liberal just causes in the 60s have sped partly out of control and have become dysfunctional madness, including lots of illiberal control.

Yes, this probably explains why Dostoevsky gets such a bad rap in some liberal circles: long before liberals took power and began to act on their principles, he saw with prophetic clarity where and how they would end and the implacable dialectics wich starting by unlimited liberty arrives necessarily at unlimited despotism.

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I don't know musical influences on him. Literary influences on Mishima include Nietzsche, Cocteau, Oscar Wilde, Marquis de Sade, Kawabata, Akutagawa, etc.

Weird thing is that Mishima wrote a few comedies, and they are hilarious and hysterically funny.

I was looking at one at Barnes & Noble the other day, called Life For Sale, which looked pretty hilarious, quite the contrast from the über-seriousness of Sailor. Oddly it was the only Mishima they had. Maybe what I'm picking up on is the Nietzschean influence; I don't know, I haven't read any Nietzsche since high school. I ought to do something about that. As for Kawabata, I recently bought his Snow Country (on your recommendation) and look forward to reading it too. Of the three Japanese writers I've read recently, Mishima is the first one whose work strikes me as a wholly Japanese phenomenon, and I kind of hope to find something similar in Kawabata, even if his work itself seems quite different. There's another Japanese writer I'd love to read, one of these days: Jun'ichiro Tanizaki. But I've got plenty on my plate for now... Very grateful to be discovering so much excellent literary fiction these days.

Edit: Finished The Sailor. What an ending. That was definitely one of the more fucked up books I've ever read, but my interest is definitely piqued and I will be reading more Mishima.

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

Oddly it was the only Mishima they had.

This is hilarious. I hope it is a deliberate humor by the BN manager. Life For Sale is an entertaining, if absurd, story by Mishima. It should be a fun read. Mishima jokingly called it a "psychedelic adventure novel," with his characteristic self-caricature. Interestingly, it was written just 2 years before his "death."

In contrast to Mishima's flamboyant writing style, Kawabata's writing is simple and minimalistic.  If Mishima's writing is Baroque architecture, Kawabata's writing is a single-story wooden house.  But both the authors emphasize aesthetics/glory over the mundanity/compromise in life. As for Tanizaki, his works present unique eroticism/aestheticism. Also, I Am a Cat by Natsume is deservedly popular in the West. The House Keeper and the Professor, a recent publication by Ogawa, is popular as well.

As for other works by Mishima in English translation, it seems to me that "Five Modern Noh Plays" is a superb (and less disturbing) book.

[milk]

Very fair. How about his ability of overall composition, depiction, literary expression and creating and contrasting characters? Do you have negative opinion about them?

Any opinion on Endo's Silence?

I'd have to go back and reread. I'm guessing Mishma was a genius in those areas. And I'd agree about not confusing the writer with what's written. On the other hand, the narcissism and alienation of post-war writing has worn off for me. I think it's particularly captivating in youth. I'm guessing it might not do enough for me now but I'd have to give it a fair shot. Writer's like Endo seem more adult in the grappling with big moral questions in the aftermath of imperial Japan. In Mishima and Dazai, there might be the quality of a Celine, some echo of fascism in this rejection of the present over the past? Sentimentalism, narcissism, oily muscles and fascination with hypocrisy and purity can slide into fascism and brutality?
Maybe I'm also affected by listening to Dan Carlin's podcast on the war. And living in Japan, I can see how hard it is to get out of the narrow view because Japan has that total-izing effect on modern Japanese. And youth-culture seems to reduce everything to banality. I can still imagine militarism filling in the gap of that poorly-developed sense of self and meaningful values. Just my two cents.
Re: Endo: I had a good impression of Silence. It'd be worth it for me to reread that as well. I think Endo was a real thinker.

[milk]

This is hilarious. I hope it is a deliberate humor by the BN manager. Life For Sale is an entertaining, if absurd, story by Mishima. It should be a fun read. Mishima jokingly called it a "psychedelic adventure novel," with his characteristic self-caricature. Interestingly, it was written just 2 years before his "death."

In contrast to Mishima's flamboyant writing style, Kawabata's writing is simple and minimalistic.  If Mishima's writing is Baroque architecture, Kawabata's writing is a single-story wooden house.  But both the authors emphasize aesthetics/glory over the mundanity/compromise in life. As for Tanizaki, his works present unique eroticism/aestheticism. Also, I Am a Cat by Natsume is deservedly popular in the West. The House Keeper and the Professor, a recent publication by Ogawa, is popular as well.

As for other works by Mishima in English translation, it seems to me that "Five Modern Noh Plays" is a superb (and less disturbing) book.

I read all of Mishima's novels when I was a youth and enjoyed them except for the trilogy he wrote. Tanizaki wrote a book that reminded me of Lolita. Again, I'm not sure what to think of it now. Soseki had a book called "The Three-Cornered World," which I remember really enjoying.
Kawabata won the Nobel. So did Oe. I'm not sure Oe deserved it but he's still alive. Kawabata is said to be great in the original language. I only read translations and they are beautiful, if memory serves. But also, if my memory is correct, following that sense of cold detachment and alienation which disgusts me now. But Maybe I'd have a different impression upon rereading. I knew a guy, British, who lectured and wrote quite a bit about this group. I used to run into him in Osaka from time to time. He was a real champion of this ilk.

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

I'd have to go back and reread. I'm guessing Mishma was a genius in those areas. And I'd agree about not confusing the writer with what's written. On the other hand, the narcissism and alienation of post-war writing has worn off for me. I think it's particularly captivating in youth. I'm guessing it might not do enough for me now but I'd have to give it a fair shot. Writer's like Endo seem more adult in the grappling with big moral questions in the aftermath of imperial Japan. In Mishima and Dazai, there might be the quality of a Celine, some echo of fascism in this rejection of the present over the past? Sentimentalism, narcissism, oily muscles and fascination with hypocrisy and purity can slide into fascism and brutality?
Maybe I'm also affected by listening to Dan Carlin's podcast on the war. And living in Japan, I can see how hard it is to get out of the narrow view because Japan has that total-izing effect on modern Japanese. And youth-culture seems to reduce everything to banality. I can still imagine militarism filling in the gap of that poorly-developed sense of self and meaningful values. Just my two cents.
Re: Endo: I had a good impression of Silence. It'd be worth it for me to reread that as well. I think Endo was a real thinker.

Thank you for the comment. I like Mishima as a romantic aesthete, but Just as most readers, I don't like his philosophy or political ideology.  Mishima found the post-ww2 Japanese society excessively Americanized, ugly, and disagreeable (How would you feel if Americans start wearing Chinese cloth and using Chinese letters and Chinese military/soldiers station in the land ?).   I find his ultra nationalistic view anachronistic, and somewhat comical. But I don't see his political ideology in his literal works much. In the realm of literary works, I assume, Mishima is largely a romantic (or hardcore) aesthete while Endo is a moralist writer.

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

Le Ble en Herbe (Green Wheat), Colette. An inevitable transformation of the relationship between teenage boy and girl in one summer at a coastal village in Northern France.

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Thank you for the comment. I like Mishima as a romantic aesthete, but Just as most readers, I don't like his philosophy or political ideology.  Mishima found the post-ww2 Japanese society excessively Americanized, ugly, and disagreeable (How would you feel if Americans start wearing Chinese cloth and using Chinese letters and Chinese military/soldiers station in the land ?).   I find his ultra nationalistic view anachronistic, and somewhat comical. But I don't see his political ideology in his literal works much. In the realm of literary works, I assume, Mishima is largely a romantic (or hardcore) aesthete while Endo is a moralist writer.

In The Sailor, I didn't find much in the way of political ideology, but the writer of this very opinionated wikipedia article seems to think the whole thing is a metaphor for the American occupation of Japan...:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sailor_Who_Fell_from_Grace_with_the_Sea

Someone needs to edit this article and make it less opinionated...

I just started Cormac McCarthy's No Country for Old Men yesterday and I'm about 2/3 of the way through. It's a very easy read, lots of dialogue.

[MN Dave]

philosophy, ghost stories, and sf.

[vers la flamme]

I just started Cormac McCarthy's No Country for Old Men yesterday and I'm about 2/3 of the way through. It's a very easy read, lots of dialogue.

Finished. Not sure what to read next... more Mishima, more McCarthy, or perhaps something totally different. Stay tuned... 

[vers la flamme]

Finished. Not sure what to read next... more Mishima, more McCarthy, or perhaps something totally different. Stay tuned... 

Went with the latter option, John Steinbeck's Cannery Row. It's really good so far. I'm about halfway through.

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

In The Sailor, I didn't find much in the way of political ideology, but the writer of this very opinionated wikipedia article seems to think the whole thing is a metaphor for the American occupation of Japan...:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sailor_Who_Fell_from_Grace_with_the_Sea

Someone needs to edit this article and make it less opinionated...

I just started Cormac McCarthy's No Country for Old Men yesterday and I'm about 2/3 of the way through. It's a very easy read, lots of dialogue.

Yes the article is a big stretch. The writer and the written are mixed up.

Rereading Boccaccio.

[vers la flamme]

Finished the Steinbeck which was an awesome little book. Now for more McCarthy, All the Pretty Horses. So far so good. This must be his most accessible novel, if not the ultra-spare No Country for Old Men which has the caveat of being more violent.

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

Tale of Genji, authored by Lady Purple (Murasaki). The work is widely considered to be the world's first novel, authored by the lady in waiting at the Japanese imperial court in the 11th century. The story is about numerous love affairs of a son of emperor, which is partly fictional and partly factual. Fun read.