The new classical! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36Xt-XeWnHM)
Rather dispels the myth that all DJs do is 'play records'.
Nice find. 8)
I've always felt that "electronica" is the new classical...and I don't mean that 60's weirdness that thrived in the world of academia...I mean groups like:
Autechre
BT (This Binary Universe is STUNNING)
Air
Boards of Canada
DJ Shadow
Sigur Ros
etc...
Terrible.
i saw this video on TV a few months ago and then watched the video. I really like it, honestly, they both know what they're doing. And no, it's not new classical, but it's........... hm.......... i don't know. It'd be nice to hear on the radio.... the only thing on the radio worth listening to, maybe
This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRMS-n5zUhk) is a little more like, I trow.
Or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJw9az9vAf4&feature=related).
Quote from: G...R...E...G... on December 09, 2007, 06:17:43 PM
...And no, it's not new classical, but it's........... hm.......... i don't know...
Why do we need to define it? If anything, it's a much-needed bridge between two subcultures. :D
Quote from: jochanaan on December 10, 2007, 03:20:39 PM
Why do we need to define it? If anything, it's a much-needed bridge between two subcultures. :D
There's no culture that i can see there. Legitimizing this puerile crap is one of the reasons nobody cares about 'classical' anymore. Who needs Beethoven when MTV is so much cooler? And you can't say that one is better then the other, because it's all relative!
Do they even talk about any type of music on MTV anymore? Whenever I whizz past it, it's showing reality programs.
Stop the MTV bashing! Barbarous guys screaming "Woo!" and slutty girls talking about what they're going to do at night is quite therapeutic. I guarantee that you'll relax with just 1 episode of "Next." I'm not going to pretend that I don't love my peers, as degenerate as they are. They might lack that taste for the great music we all love here, but their teeth are straight and white and their bodies are healthy (the ones that they show on MTV). They're all energetic and happy. Leave them be.
now the subject is MTV ::)........
Quote
There's no culture that i can see there. Legitimizing this puerile crap is one of the reasons nobody cares about 'classical' anymore. Who needs Beethoven when MTV is so much cooler?
Many things wrong with this post.
1) MTV has nothing to do with music. It just shows crappy "reality" shows
2) There's nothing childish about it. It's music. People listen to it because they enjoy it. You and I listen to classical because...wait for it...we enjoy it.
3) From dictionary.com, culture is:
Quotethe behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic, or age group:
There's culture there. It may be a different culture, but it still is.
Quote from: Demonic Clarinet on December 11, 2007, 11:34:12 AM
There's culture there. It may be a different culture, but it still is.
yeah, what a great culture...... glorify partying, getting drunk and doing anything you can see, what greatness!
Quote from: G...R...E...G... on December 11, 2007, 11:41:31 AM
yeah, what a great culture...... glorify partying, getting drunk and doing anything you can see, what greatness!
If you're talking hip-hop, I believe the underground stuff goes a little deeper than that.
Quote from: MN Dave on December 11, 2007, 11:42:59 AM
If you're talking hip-hop, I believe the underground stuff goes a little deeper than that.
no, i'm afraid i'm talking about mainstream culture here......
ahem....... normal people, that is :P
Quote from: G...R...E...G... on December 11, 2007, 11:50:17 AM
no, i'm afraid i'm talking about mainstream culture here......
ahem....... normal people, that is :P
We are here to fart around.
Quote from: G...R...E...G... on December 11, 2007, 11:50:17 AM
no, i'm afraid i'm talking about mainstream culture here......
ahem....... normal people, that is :P
What about MTV's glorification of the body? I don't think those girls would look as hot as they do if they liked Bruckner and Holderlin.
Quote from: G...R...E...G... on December 11, 2007, 11:41:31 AM
yeah, what a great culture...... glorify partying, getting drunk and doing anything you can see, what greatness!
Partying, getting drunk, and "doing anything you can see" (whatever that means) have been around for ages. You're one of the few who likes good art. Good for you. Don't mock those who don't. The culture will change without bitter "cultural revolutionaries."
Quote from: EmpNapoleon on December 11, 2007, 11:56:58 AM
What about MTV's glorification of the body? I don't think those girls would look as hot as they do if they liked Bruckner and Holderlin.
i think they would (not knowing which girls you're talking about since i don't watch/currently don't have MTV)
Quote from: EmpNapoleon on December 11, 2007, 11:56:58 AM
Partying, getting drunk, and "doing anything you can see" (whatever that means) have been around for ages.
unfortunately
Quote from: EmpNapoleon on December 11, 2007, 11:56:58 AM
You're one of the few who likes good art. Good for you. Don't mock those who don't. The culture will change without bitter "cultural revolutionaries."
it's not like you can change it, this is what normal people do, people you're friends with, you know?
Average people are average. I have to surpass myself when I listen to the music discussed at GMG. It takes no effort to listen to mainstream music. That's why people get sick of the songs they love after 1 week.
Quote from: EmpNapoleon on December 11, 2007, 12:03:25 PM
Average people are average. I have to surpass myself when I listen to the music discussed at GMG. It takes no effort to listen to mainstream music. That's why people get sick of the songs they love after 1 week.
that's why it's called bubblegum culture, right? It's like chewing bubble gum, gets old after a short time and you look for another piece that's almost exactly the same, gets old and you throw it away.
Quote from: G...R...E...G... on December 11, 2007, 12:07:07 PM
that's why it's called bubblegum culture, right? It's like chewing bubble gum, gets old after a short time and you look for another piece that's almost exactly the same, gets old and you throw it away.
Snobs. ;)
Quoteyeah, what a great culture...... glorify partying, getting drunk and doing anything you can see, what greatness!
In which case the issue is with the people listening to the music, not necessarily the music itself. Regardless, the music in the youtube link hardly glorifies anything like that.
Quote
It's like chewing bubble gum, gets old after a short time and you look for another piece that's almost exactly the same, gets old and you throw it away.
Eh. While mainstream songs tend to get old rapidly, I definitely wouldn't say the next ones are similar.
Quote from: Demonic Clarinet on December 11, 2007, 12:11:44 PM
In which case the issue is with the people listening to the music, not necessarily the music itself. Regardless, the music in the youtube link hardly glorifies anything like that.
good thing, too..... nice clip, entertaining and original. They need more of that instead of what they have now on the radio! (as i said before) :)
I would argue there's nothing wrong with any music that glorifies anything...it's fine as long as people like to listen to it. Problems arise when people begin emulating what they hear...in which case the problem is people being stupid, not the music.
Quote from: G...R...E...G... on December 11, 2007, 11:41:31 AM
glorify partying, getting drunk and doing anything you can see, what greatness!
Oh, so we've turned this into a Mozart thread, now?
...or a Karajan thread? ...or a Toscanini thread?...or a typical-professional-orchestra-low-brass-section thread?
For a half-season or so, I was riding to orchestra practice with the principal bass player. This 30-year-old guy was a monster on the orchestral bass--when we played Beethoven's symphonies he rejoiced that he'd finally got a "good bass part"! ;D--but he was also a heavy-metal player. The CDs he played on the way to and from rehearsals had challenging harmonies, frequent meter changes and other rhythmic excitement, and deep, poetic lyrics. They convinced me that many metal musicians are really good. :D
I have found this anew in the last few years since I have played more and more non-classical music. Many local musicians playing in clubs are both talented and serious about their art. I've heard rappers rapping on city buses; those raps were relevant, original and hypnotic, and not once have I heard the m--f-- word from a street rapper. ;D And didn't a lot of our younger GMG members get their start in metal? ;)
This alienation between classical and "other" is not a good thing. We need each other.
Quote from: jochanaan on December 11, 2007, 12:47:05 PM
This alienation between classical and "other" is not a good thing. We need each other.
Bravo.
Quote from: jochanaan on December 11, 2007, 12:47:05 PM
I've heard rappers rapping on city buses; those raps were relevant, original and hypnotic, and not once have I heard the m--f-- word from a street rapper. ;D
well, that's exceptional, i applaud whoever you heard
Quote from: jochanaan on December 11, 2007, 12:47:05 PM
And didn't a lot of our younger GMG members get their start in metal? ;)
the stuff i got my start in was sorta metal, more specifically instrumental rock. It's stuff that normally isn't played on the radio since it doesn't appeal to the masses who want music about drugs and hos, or screaming about killing people, or whatever.
The only problems i have with mainstream popular music is when in certain genres often you hear certain stuff...... and the other main problem is, i just find it so so so so so so so so so so so boring ;D
Quote from: jochanaan on December 11, 2007, 12:47:05 PM
This alienation between classical and "other" is not a good thing. We need each other.
yep, it's just very very very different from most "normal" stuff
Quote from: Demonic Clarinet on December 11, 2007, 11:34:12 AM
People listen to it because they enjoy it. You and I listen to classical because...wait for it...we enjoy it.
Nonsense. I listen to classical music because it's greater then anything else on the planet. More to the point, it's music that touches on the transcendental, as befitting civilized beings, not thrill-seeking buffoons lavishing in stone-age drivel.
That clip is great. The violin player is awesome, and it's a nice composition they have come up with. Very clever pop quotes, fun stuff. :)
It's not classical though, and not even the "
new classical" - those lines are being blurred, some of the most interesting and creative music out there now almost defies classification.
Quote from: JochanaanFor a half-season or so, I was riding to orchestra practice with the principal bass player. This 30-year-old guy was a monster on the orchestral bass--when we played Beethoven's symphonies he rejoiced that he'd finally got a "good bass part"! Grin--but he was also a heavy-metal player. The CDs he played on the way to and from rehearsals had challenging harmonies, frequent meter changes and other rhythmic excitement, and deep, poetic lyrics. They convinced me that many metal musicians are really good.
This anecdote reminds me of some encounters I've had at
Last.fm. (That's the service that records the tags of what you listen to, on your PC, and does things with the stats like matching you up with others with common listening interests.) I know a couple of Finnish orchestral musicians from there, same age, that listen to mostly metal and jazz, and contemporary classical.
I listen to many genres of music, but on my computer mostly classical, and much contemporary music, minimalist, etc. I started to notice a cadre of people I "matched" up with at
Last.fm that were listening to Radiohead along with their Reich, Metallica with their Mahler. Which got me thinking. What is the common thread here?
Well, what Jochanaan mentioned is true. Complexity and musical depth can be found in a lot of places, and certainly in jazz, and some metal too. Anyone here familiar with Dream Theater? That's some impressive stuff. Some of what's going there is really high-level, and the players are insane, seriously - they can shred. Yeah, a lot of that, and the musicians, really are extremely good. Because they play in a different, more freeform style, doesn't make it any less valid musicianship.
I would myself listen to more metal, if it just weren't so
loud, and always so
angsty....sheesh... ;D
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on December 11, 2007, 05:26:26 PM
Nonsense. I listen to classical music because it's greater then anything else on the planet. More to the point, it's music that touches on the transcendental, as befitting civilized beings, not thrill-seeking buffoons lavishing in stone-age drivel.
Explain how it is "great" if not because of the fact that people enjoy listening to it.
I like this one better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjA5faZF1A8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjA5faZF1A8&feature=related). ;)
Quote from: jochanaan on December 11, 2007, 12:47:05 PM
This alienation between classical and "other" is not a good thing. We need each other.
Kinda like hanging a toddler's drawing next to a Da Vinci, right? In the end, children are so creative! Who are we to tell them their work lack in technique or true maturity? Who cares about greatness, it's such an authoritarian idea anyway, fit only for stuffy old men! Who needs it? Go on children, express yourselves,
do your own thing, don't listen to your parents, a great future awaits you where everything is 'fun' and 'entertainment', who cares if society plunges into vulgar mediocrity, ugliness and total ignorance? All it matters is the self, everything is valid, follow your emotions and you can never do wrong.
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on December 12, 2007, 06:03:40 AM
Kinda like hanging a toddler's drawing next to a Da Vinci, right? In the end, children are so creative! Who are we to tell them their work lack in technique or true maturity? Who cares about greatness, it's such an authoritarian idea anyway, fit only for stuffy old men! Who needs it? Go on children, express yourselves, do your own thing, don't listen to your parents, a great future awaits you where everything is 'fun' and 'entertainment', who cares if society plunges into vulgar mediocrity, ugliness and total ignorance? All it matters is the self, everything is valid, follow your emotions and you can never do wrong.
Don't get your groove on much?
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on December 12, 2007, 06:03:40 AM
Kinda like hanging a toddler's drawing next to a Da Vinci, right? In the end, children are so creative! Who are we to tell them their work lack in technique or true maturity? Who cares about greatness, it's such an authoritarian idea anyway, fit only for stuffy old men! Who needs it? Go on children, express yourselves, do your own thing, don't listen to your parents, a great future awaits you where everything is 'fun' and 'entertainment', who cares if society plunges into vulgar mediocrity, ugliness and total ignorance? All it matters is the self, everything is valid, follow your emotions and you can never do wrong.
Charming little strawman you're poking at there!
Quote from: karlhenning on December 12, 2007, 06:18:54 AM
Charming little strawman you're poking at there!
Come on. That's what the argument amounts to anyway, even if he doesn't know that.
QuoteThe New Classical
Normally I would consider this too fatuous to even merit refutation, but I feel that is too easy and essentially putting one's head in the sand.
Classical enthusiasts have often attached classical values to popular music. Of course they mean well, but I feel that this is mere pandering. It reminds me of the narrator in Gide's
Immoralist -- the intellectual that mistakes the
brutality of the proletariat for
vitality.
While it would be altruistic to say "music is music" and equate Classical with popular music, I do not feel this is right, nor do I feel we should revert to a sort of Adornian mindset and use the one as a stick to beat the other. The former I feel encourages a culture of mediocrity, while the latter only provokes ire and causes anyone who would potentially become interested in Classical music to view it as an elitist country club.
Even so, that this is taken by people as High Art belies to me a sorry state of affairs.
Quote from: Corey on December 12, 2007, 09:43:01 AM
It reminds me of the narrator in Gide's Immoralist -- the intellectual that mistakes the brutality of the proletariat for vitality.
He was mistaken?
Quote from: Corey on December 12, 2007, 09:43:01 AM
while the latter only provokes ire and causes anyone who would potentially become interested in Classical music to view it as an elitist country club.
Only because children are encouraged to be rancorous and disrespectful to anything that doesn't strike their ego. The truth of the matter however is that pandering is a sign of weakness, and children have no respect for that but only contempt. Parents today are taught to
seek their children's approval rather then demand respect and we are doing the same thing from a broader social perspective.
I am just glad that I will be able to experience the arts that I care about in my lifetime. And I am not one bit bitter about the pop, bubblegum, partying culture, whatever you want to call it. Partying is fun, drinking (if done responsibly) is fun. So is pop music. What is so wrong and difficult to understand about people having fun? Why the objection?
Remember that life is change. You do not have to adapt to it but it is our ability to do so that has sustained our partial domination on this earth. Nothing is forever, and certainly not classical music (500 years out of a total of 20,000+ years of culture?). It's heydays are already gone. We should just be glad that we are born in a time where we were lucky enough to experience it.
I think the title piece is very original. I would not buy a CD of it, but I have bought DJ Shadow's output, and I think he is an amazing artist.
QuoteKinda like hanging a toddler's drawing next to a Da Vinci, right? In the end, children are so creative! Who are we to tell them their work lack in technique or true maturity? Who cares about greatness, it's such an authoritarian idea anyway, fit only for stuffy old men!
A fan of popular music would say that most classical music is "lacking in greatness". It's a matter of opinion.
QuoteGo on children, express yourselves, do your own thing, don't listen to your parents, a great future awaits you where everything is 'fun' and 'entertainment', who cares if society plunges into vulgar mediocrity, ugliness and total ignorance?
What does this have to do with anything? What are you going on about?
QuoteAll it matters is the self, everything is valid, follow your emotions and you can never do wrong.
Again, has nothing to do with the discussion.
Quote from: Corey on December 12, 2007, 09:43:01 AM
While it would be altruistic to say "music is music" and equate Classical with popular music, I do not feel this is right, nor do I feel we should revert to a sort of Adornian mindset and use the one as a stick to beat the other. The former I feel encourages a culture of mediocrity, while the latter only provokes ire and causes anyone who would potentially become interested in Classical music to view it as an elitist country club.
Hear, hear.
Quote from: orbital on December 12, 2007, 10:23:14 AM
I am just glad that I will be able to experience the arts that I care about in my lifetime. And I am not one bit bitter about the pop, bubblegum, partying culture, whatever you want to call it. Partying is fun, drinking (if done responsibly) is fun. So is pop music. What is so wrong and difficult to understand about people having fun? Why the objection?
Because fun = self-indulgence. People, or rather, males (let's cut the chase shall we?) function properly only when they actively engage in constructive activities. Happiness lies not in personal gratification but in achievement (their own or that of others, which explains our little hobby here), whether it's the arts, sports, work or family. Witnessing the degradation of our general culture can bring real unhappiness, which in part explains violence among our youth, or why somehow children in a fully developed nation are among the most
unhappy in the world:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2268082.ece
Females of course are little affected.
They are the ones who prize 'fun', 'fulfillment' and 'social activities' above anything and from their part things are just peachy.
It's boys who suffer the most (intelligent boys in particular), and that can be seen from how fast they tend to drop out of school compared to girls, or why suicide is more common in males then females (86% of teenagers who die from suicide are boys, think about this figure for a second):
http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2006/02/boys-and-suicide_06.html
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on December 12, 2007, 10:53:12 AM
Females of course are little affected. They are the ones who prize 'fun', 'fulfillment' and 'social activities' above anything and from their part things are just peachy.
A rare example of completely unreconstructed sexism, eh?
QuoteHappiness lies not in personal gratification but in achievement
Not necessarily.
Quote from: karlhenning on December 12, 2007, 11:02:17 AM
A rare example of completely unreconstructed sexism, eh?
I'd like to think of it as a piece of logistical truism. If a particular observation rings true in my mind then my conscience has no business getting involved.
Now let's bring timbre into this. If someone enjoys the sound of an electric guitar, you can play as much quality "serious" music you want at them, but if it doesn't have that certain quality, it will be all for naught.
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on December 12, 2007, 11:04:23 AM
I'd like to think of it as a piece of logistical truism. If a particular observation rings true in my mind then my conscience has no business getting involved.
I am sure you prefer to think of it like that. That 'observation' does not ring true with
my experience or conscience.
Quote from: MN Dave on December 12, 2007, 11:03:15 AM
QuoteHappiness lies not in personal gratification but in achievement
Not necessarily.
It's yet another false dichotomy. The fact is, achievement is one mode of personal gratification.
Quote from: MN Dave on December 12, 2007, 11:06:06 AM
Now let's bring timbre into this. If someone enjoys the sound of an electric guitar, you can play as much quality "serious" music you want at them, but if it doesn't have that certain quality, it will be all for naught.
Well (if I understand you right) only if that electric guitar timbre is
necessary to his enjoyment of music. I really like the sound of a clarinet, but that doesn't interfere with my enjoyment of string quartets, e.g.
Quote from: karlhenning on December 12, 2007, 11:09:14 AM
Well (if I understand you right) only if that electric guitar timbre is necessary to his enjoyment of music. I really like the sound of a clarinet, but that doesn't interfere with my enjoyment of string quartets, e.g.
Right. If it's necessary. If it's his favorite sound. Or the sound of turntablism, banjo, etc.
Quote from: James on December 12, 2007, 11:13:53 AM
Child's play, listen to a real composer...check out Stockhausen's major electronic works from the 50s-60s, though he used old primitive-technology,
it's musically light years ahead and uber-more focused, evolved & sophisticated than ANY "electronica" of recent, believe it...
How do you know this?
Quote from: James on December 12, 2007, 11:31:23 AM
By listening very very carefully...
Stockhausen's work has extremely complex harmonic schemes, richer sense/understanding of sound/texture/space...
and a sense of development/relationship/tranformation that only a real composer with proper skill/insight/training can pull off...
Most electronia is rather narrow, naive, weak and un-focused in comparison....
I can't argue with that. You sure have heard a lot of music.
Quote from: karlhenning on December 12, 2007, 11:07:01 AM
That 'observation' does not ring true with my experience or conscience.
That's perfectly valid, as long as you don't descend to name calling.
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on December 12, 2007, 10:53:12 AM
Because fun = self-indulgence...
Oh. Then I must have been extremely self-indulgent those times I played in the orchestra for Beethoven's Ninth. ::)
Well, it's time we talked about that, John ;D
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on December 12, 2007, 10:53:12 AM
Because fun = self-indulgence. People, or rather, males (let's cut the chase shall we?) function properly only when they actively engage in constructive activities. Happiness lies not in personal gratification but in achievement (their own or that of others, which explains our little hobby here), whether it's the arts, sports, work or family. Witnessing the degradation of our general culture can bring real unhappiness, which in part explains violence among our youth, or why somehow children in a fully developed nation are among the most unhappy in the world:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2268082.ece
Females of course are little affected. They are the ones who prize 'fun', 'fulfillment' and 'social activities' above anything and from their part things are just peachy.
It's boys who suffer the most (intelligent boys in particular), and that can be seen from how fast they tend to drop out of school compared to girls, or why suicide is more common in males then females (86% of teenagers who die from suicide are boys, think about this figure for a second):
http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2006/02/boys-and-suicide_06.html
i think a lot of this makes sense, though it's complex....
the females vs. males is a dead-on generalization, makes the most sense because usually, girls just wanna have fun and guys want to accomplish something (with fun on the side). It's just the way the brain works. And maybe if guys are stuck in a position where it seems they can't accomplish anything, it may lead to stuff like that.... could be a partial explanation.
Quotegirls just wanna have fun and guys want to accomplish something
What planet are you guys from? ???
Quote from: MN Dave on December 12, 2007, 03:44:07 PM
What planet are you guys from? ???
that's why the majority of politicians and leaders are males..... they need to dominate, it's a masculine trait.
Quote from: MN Dave on December 12, 2007, 03:44:07 PM
What planet are you guys from? ???
I was beginning to wonder that myself. I'd be afraid to read this thread out loud to my wife, she'd probably lose consciousness from laughing so hard. ;D
Do we fear 'cultural decay' or do we fear the tin-brained zealots who squawk on and on about just WHAT is bringing on cultural decay?
I pick the latter simply because I'm much more likely to be straight-jacketed by that lot than by any vagaries of pop culture. Pop stuff I can ignore (if I ever leaned that way) but the 'culture police' certainly won't let me off that easy.
That is, if I read my history right...
Quote from: MN Dave on December 12, 2007, 03:44:07 PM
What planet are you guys from? ???
Obligatory:
http://www.theabsolute.net/misogyny/onwomen.html
;D
Quote from: donwyn on December 12, 2007, 09:45:47 PM
Pop stuff I can ignore
Really. How lucky of you. Me i had it shoved down my throat since the day i was born.
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on December 12, 2007, 10:53:12 AM
Because fun = self-indulgence. People, or rather, males (let's cut the chase shall we?) function properly only when they actively engage in constructive activities. Happiness lies not in personal gratification but in achievement (their own or that of others, which explains our little hobby here), whether it's the arts, sports, work or family. Witnessing the degradation of our general culture can bring real unhappiness, which in part explains violence among our youth, or why somehow children in a fully developed nation are among the most unhappy in the world:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2268082.ece
Females of course are little affected. They are the ones who prize 'fun', 'fulfillment' and 'social activities' above anything and from their part things are just peachy.
It's boys who suffer the most (intelligent boys in particular), and that can be seen from how fast they tend to drop out of school compared to girls, or why suicide is more common in males then females (86% of teenagers who die from suicide are boys, think about this figure for a second):
http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2006/02/boys-and-suicide_06.html
This kind of sophistry is exactly what we
don't need.
Quote from: Corey on December 13, 2007, 05:19:23 AM
This kind of sophistry is exactly what we don't need.
Who said anything about need? I'm merely stating what
is.
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on December 13, 2007, 05:29:13 AM
Who said anything about need? I'm merely stating what is.
According to flawed logic.
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on December 13, 2007, 05:05:30 AM
Obligatory:
http://www.theabsolute.net/misogyny/onwomen.html
;D
Schopenhauer may have been wise in the ways of man, but he knew nothing of a woman's heart. I can't claim to know much, but at least I've looked enough to know that many women go far beyond Schopenhauer's description.
Galatians 3:28 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Gal/Gal003.html#28)
Hey, I have a radical idea--let's talk about music!
Too radical? Sorry. Girls are much more interesting than music, I know, even to misogynists, perhaps especially to misogynists.
Carry on....
[There's gotta be some forums where people do talk about music.... Hmmmm. Let's see... bondagebyrequest.com? Hey, that looks interesting.]
That Hip Hop Violin is artificial. :-\
Quote from: gmstudio on December 09, 2007, 04:33:31 PM
I've always felt that "electronica" is the new classical...and I don't mean that 60's weirdness that thrived in the world of academia...I mean groups like:
Autechre
I rank
Autechre as one of the most interesting and important music makers in the world at the moment. Their music is definitely classical music of the future. Next year they will release a new album 'Quaristice'. :)
Quote from: jochanaan on December 13, 2007, 08:13:40 AM
Schopenhauer may have been wise in the ways of man, but he knew nothing of a woman's heart.
Then all you have to do is read it from a woman's lips:
http://outcastsuperstar.blogspot.com/2007/06/manipulated-man-index.html
A very pitiful review making vacuous attempts at dismounting Vilars's razor-sharp rhetoric:
http://uncleeddiestheorycorner.blogspot.com/2007/06/book-review-manipulated-man.html
*sigh* If I weren't already tired of this entire dialogue, I'd suggest we take it to the Diner. You can do just that if you want; I'm rehearsing with an American woman tonight. ;D (Music rehearsal ONLY. :o ;D)
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on December 13, 2007, 11:05:56 AM
Then all you have to do is read it from a woman's lips:
http://outcastsuperstar.blogspot.com/2007/06/manipulated-man-index.html
trying to read some of this...
"To a woman love means power, to a man enslavement"
i like this one, and i see what she's saying here..... :P
i value freedom over enslavement lol :P
Quote from: 12tone. on December 09, 2007, 03:44:26 PM
The new classical! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36Xt-XeWnHM)
"New Classical" - nah, it's some sort of jazz. Sounds like the kind of thing Jean-Luc Ponty was doing 30 years ago -- of course, he had to have a
band to back him. It's ok by me, but I wouldn't rush out to buy their album.