What are you listening to now?

[San Antone]

What?

It would take an absurdly black-and-white view of the nature of inspiration to draw that from my posts.  I said that he was influenced in certain aspects by his new homeland.  You took this somehow to mean that he changed his aesthetic wholesale based on whatever was going on around him?

You even say yourself what I was arguing, that Schoenberg "adopted/adapted current trends to his own purposes."  That's exactly what I was saying.

This is where I think we got off on the wrong foot:

Sabine Feisst convincingly argued that Schoenberg's style was in fact influenced by the Hollywood milieu in a number of his works of the American period

In fact, I disagree with Ms. Feisst and by extension, you, for posting it.

[Mahlerian]

This is where I think we got off on the wrong foot:

In fact, I disagree with Ms. Fiesst and by extension, you, for posting it.

So you think that Schoenberg lived in a bubble where he wasn't influenced by anything around him for 16 years or so?

Have you read Feisst's book?  How can you possibly disagree with her without knowing her arguments?

[Harry]

Could you Mahlerian and Sanantonio take this discussion to another thread by your own making, after all this is the wrong place to do so.

[Karl Henning]

That book documents Schoenberg's influence on those around him rather than the opposite.  The fact that he regularly played tennis with George Gershwin does not mean he was influenced by Gershwin's musical activities.

True enough.

[San Antone]

So you think that Schoenberg lived in a bubble where he wasn't influenced by anything around him for 16 years or so?

Have you read Feisst's book?  How can you possibly disagree with her without knowing her arguments?

As I have posted before, yes, he did not live in a bubble but that does not translate into an overt Hollywood influence.  He benefited from living in Hollywood in a variety of ways: as a teacher, recipient of commissions, and opportunities to have his works performed, but I think he was least influenced by the music being written around him.

Judging from what you posted of Feisst's evidence, it sounds like she published a lot of speculation and little else.  Ghost Sonata's book is more relevant, and documents Schoenberg's influence on those around him more than the reverse.

[Florestan]

Could you Mahlerian and Sanantonio take this discussion to another thread by your own making, after all this is the wrong place to do so.

I was going to politely ask them the same thing. Surely there must be a Schoenberg thread.

[San Antone]

Could you Mahlerian and Sanantonio take this discussion to another thread by your own making, after all this is the wrong place to do so.

Probably a good idea. But I am out to run some errands, and have pretty much said everything I have to say on the subject.  Sorry for the interruption.

[Karl Henning]

Again:

Schoenberg
Kol Nidre, Op.39
Jn Shirley-Quirk
BBC Chorus & Symphony
M. Boulez presiding

[Florestan]

Sorry for the interruption.

Don´t get me wrong, the discussion is interesting, but it just doesn´t belong here.

[aligreto]

Liszt: Mazeppa [Noseda]....





Exhilarating, airy performance and I particularly liked the performance of the brass section.

[aligreto]

Yes, well, you'll see from my post following that one that I won't be rushing to make a purchase of the Saga Symphony myself.

I have personally only had positive [not necessarily universally overwhelming] reactions to Leif's music thus far. I feel more though that I am purchasing for the future more than the present as I know that his music will grow on me the more that I listen to it and understand it.

[marvinbrown]

Mozart Symphony No.1 E flat K.16 and No.4 D major K.19, Sir Neville conducting the ASMF




Sarge

  SPLENDID!......... and from here you shall work your way right up to the the last CD on vol.2 with the flawless Symphonies 40 and 41 "Jupiter".  Please tell me you have vol.2 in your collection Sarge??

  Happy Listening

[Karl Henning]

Schoenberg
Friede auf Erden, Op.13
BBC Singers & Symphony
M. Boulez presiding

[SurprisedByBeauty]

#morninglistening to #ClaudioArrau in #Mozart on @deccaclassics, because it's an Arrau kind of Day... http://ift.tt/2elnbCh

[Sergeant Rock]

  SPLENDID!......... and from here you shall work your way right up to the the last CD on vol.2 with the flawless Symphonies 40 and 41 "Jupiter".  Please tell me you have vol.2 in your collection Sarge??

Vol.1 is a wonderful box, marvelous playing. But, no, I do not have Marriner's vol.2 (although I have his EMI recordings of 35, 38, 39 and 41). Since I'm very happy with Klemperer, Szell, Harnoncourt and Pinnock in the later Mozart Symphonies, I've never felt the need for more Marriner.

Sarge

[Sergeant Rock]

Surprise! I'm listening to some Hollywood Arnie, Kol Nidre, Gielen conducting the Baden-Baden




Sarge

[Karl Henning]

Surprise! I'm listening to some Hollywood Arnie

"Holly Schoenberg," I calls him.

[San Antone]

Chamber Symphony No. 2

[Spineur]

Terezin project

[asin]B000RPSVE0[/asin]

Terezin is a city of easter Czeckoslovakia which was a concentration/transit camp for  Czech, German and Austrian during World war II.  144000 jews were interned there from which there has been 17000 survivors.  In this camp a number of composers were interned (and ultimately murdered).  The nazi made a propaganda film to show that music and art were thriving in their camp.  The people who made the film were immediately murdered upon completion.

Ann Sofie von Otter led a group of singers to bring back to life some of the music composed there.  The music is hauting and the lyrics are unbelievable.  Upon listening to this disk, I took "un grand coup dans la gueule" (knockout).
Some of the composers: Pavel Haas, Viktor Ulmann (his six sonnets on Louise Labbé poems are incredible) , Ilse Weber (she was a nurse there), Erwin Schulhoff
The interpreters: Ann Sofie von Otter, Christian Gerhaher, Daniel Hope, Bengt Forsberg

A must have IMHO

[San Antone]

Terezin project

[asin]B000RPSVE0[/asin]

Terzin is a city of easter Czeckoslovakia which was a concentration/transit camp for  Czech, German and Austrian during World war II.  144000 jews were interned there from which there has been 17000 survivors.  In this camp a number of composers were interned (and ultimately murdered).  The nazi made a propaganda film to show that music and art were thriving in their camp.  The people who made the film were immediately murdered upon completion.

Ann Sofie von Otter led a group of singers to bring back to life some of the music composed there.  The music is hauting and the lyrics are unbelievable.  Upon listening to this disk, I took "un grand coup dans la gueule" (knockout).
Some of the composers: Pavel Haas, Viktor Ulmann (his six sonnets on Louise Labbé poems are incredible) , Ilse Weber (she was a nurse there), Erwin Schulhoff
The interpreters: Ann Sofie von Otter, Christian Gerhaher, Daniel Hope, Bengt Forsberg

A must have IMHO

I agree.  I listened to this recording recently and was very impressed.