Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)

[Florestan]

"Living better" is just as "vague and susceptible to endless stretches and interpretations, ie unmeasurable."

Touché! 

Unlike you, it would seem, for me "living better" would include

This, in response to this:

while I agree that money is not the only ingredient in the quality of life, I disagree that an increase/decrease in earnings has no overall impact on it.

I would much appreciate if you wouldn't twist my words or put in my mouth words I have not uttered. If you just can't refrain from it, then please consider refraining from replying to me at all. I'd rather have the latter (with no offense taken and no hard feelings) than the former.

[SimonNZ]

It wasn't in response to that, it was in response to your original post:

Hear, hear!

Now, Trump talks and tweets a lot; what I'd like to know is whether he actually does something to improve the eonomy and raise the standard of living especially of those people and communities which voted him precisely because he promised them to do that. What do the official data say? One year into Trump's term, is the US economy better, stagnant or worse than before he was sworn in? Do the average American live better, the same or worse?

You now clarify this by saying "I agree that money is not the only ingredient in the quality of life"? Okay, good. So which other ingredients would you consider, and how effectively would you say Trump provides them?

[Florestan]

You now clarify this by saying "I agree that money is not the only ingredient in the quality of life"? Okay, good. So which other ingredients would you consider,

I basically agree with what you suggested:

"living better" would include clean water to drink and clean air to breathe, it would include quality of education for oneself and ones children, availability of afordable medical care, no tollerance of corruption, it would mean freedom from a manufactured sense of fear, and freedom from not being hated for being in any way non-WASPy,

The thing is, many of them do depend on money, in the form of both personal earnings and the general state of the economy.

and how effectively would you say Trump provides them?

I don't know. That's exactly what I myself asked: besides talking and tweeting, what does he effectively do?

[Florestan]

no tollerance of corruption

This is probably the trickiest one. As long as there will be a group of people who will have power to legislate in the interest not of the society as a whole but of particular groups, corruption and widespread social discontentment, from bottom to top and return, is unavoidable.

[milk]

https://www.youtube.com/v/sQOAtztz8fc
I like about the 2:15 mark where there's a montage of all Dump's "nobody knew" statements. They're pretty funny. The idea is that he's so ignorant he thinks nobody knows stuff because knows so little. As Americans, I really do think the jokes on us.

[Spineur]

The CIA on Saturday categorically denied reports that it was fleeced by a mystery Russian who promised compromising information on US President Donald Trump.

The secretive agency rarely issues any kind of comment, but came out to deny the report in The New York Times and a similar one in The Intercept, an online journal focusing on national security issues.

Considering the CIA track record in term of communication, it is probably true.

[BasilValentine]

Considering the CIA track record in term of communication, it is probably true.

According to the NYT reporter who broke the story, the CIA was not "fleeced." They were allegedly seeking evidence of cyber weapons stolen from the NSA and paid $100K as a down payment. The reporter said the Russian with whom they were dealing kept offering dirt on Trump and the CIA repeatedly said they didn't want that. They were only interested in the cyber weapons. Whatever dirt was gathered is apparently sitting with a third party in Europe and has not been reviewed or vetted.

Here is an interview with the reporter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JGaZTNDzFA

[SimonNZ]

On Quora, a reply to the Question "Why does the NPR station have so much propaganda against Trump?"

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-NPR-station-have-so-much-propaganda-against-Trump/answer/Peter-Kruger?share=3a55a0f2&srid=h5WxX

Opening paragraph:

"Part of the premise of your question is because of linguistic drift in the community that you, OP, are pretty obviously a member of. In your mind, propaganda and "fake news" are equivalent to "facts I don't like." This happened in part because Republicans and those who call themselves conservatives have taken such a hard right turn that the center has become part of the left. So, what used to be centrist, even Republican-leaning media has become considered left-biased, because the definition of "left" has shifted."


A good long answer about what is and isn't propaganda. And I particularly liked the graphs they included.

(click to enlarge)

[Daverz]

On Quora, a reply to the Question "Why does the NPR station have so much propaganda against Trump?"

Stopped listening to NPR the last time they subjected me to David Brooks  .  Or was it Ross Douthat <shudder>?  I only listen to the local jazz station now.

[milk]

Donald Trump: Lives are being 'destroyed' by allegations
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43020821
The king of false allegations and conspiracy theories wants due process!
It would be a serious discussion if he were a serious person. I don't think we need criminal proceedings to form an an opinion on an individual and neither does the FBI. But I do think we need SOME reasonable processes even if it's only good reporting that can be fact checked and weighed and considered. But, Mr. Dump has never reached such standards himself. Of course, we have plenty of good reasons, including his own admissions, to believe that he himself has a criminal mind.

"There is no recovery for someone falsely accused," Mr Trump tweeted.

[kishnevi]

Stopped listening to NPR the last time they subjected me to David Brooks  .  Or was it Ross Douthat <shudder>?  I only listen to the local jazz station now.

Here in the Miami area, the NPR station is the local jazz station (after about 8PM)

[Karl Henning]

So goes the monkey, so go those who praise the monkey:

Does Trump believe the women? Depends on whether he likes the man.

[milk]

[Karl Henning]

Well, my portfolio shed $10K+ in two weeks.

[Mahlerian]

Well, my portfolio shed $10K+ in two weeks.

Hillary!

[snyprrr]

We cannot see that which we choose not to see.

!!!VIRTUE SIGNALING ALERT!!!

[snyprrr]

wHOOPS, sorry Karl, I don't think that was timely- I thought it was the Latest Post,... but, of course, since I've been put on Disciplinary Probati the site correctlyon, it's been quite hard to navigate

^^^
see what I mean?

I'M THE VICTIME HERE!!!!

[Karl Henning]

Thanks, Obama.

[snyprrr]

On Quora, a reply to the Question "Why does the NPR station have so much propaganda against Trump?"

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-NPR-station-have-so-much-propaganda-against-Trump/answer/Peter-Kruger?share=3a55a0f2&srid=h5WxX

Opening paragraph:

"Part of the premise of your question is because of linguistic drift in the community that you, OP, are pretty obviously a member of. In your mind, propaganda and "fake news" are equivalent to "facts I don't like." This happened in part because Republicans and those who call themselves conservatives have taken such a hard right turn that the center has become part of the left. So, what used to be centrist, even Republican-leaning media has become considered left-biased, because the definition of "left" has shifted."


A good long answer about what is and isn't propaganda. And I particularly liked the graphs they included.

(click to enlarge)

thats BS. left/right are both part of the SAME DOUBLE-HEADED EAGLE!!! All corporate media is owned by LesSix, and any hint of "Conservative" ei Hannity/Levin/Savage... are all what the young people like to call Controlled Opposition. The key is to understand what they all seeeem to agree on, and not speak about (that ole Voltaire quote), but, of course, that's all I can say from the GMG Dungeon!! Y'know, it's mighty cold down here!!   come visit

[bwv 1080]

thats BS. left/right are both part of the SAME DOUBLE-HEADED EAGLE!!! All corporate media is owned by LesSix, and any hint of "Conservative" ei Hannity/Levin/Savage... are all what the young people like to call Controlled Opposition. The key is to understand what they all seeeem to agree on, and not speak about (that ole Voltaire quote), but, of course, that's all I can say from the GMG Dungeon!! Y'know, it's mighty cold down here!!   come visit

Too much of a 'coincidence' dont you think?