Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)

[Karl Henning]

Mueller is about to take a big step closer to [El Tupé]

[SimonNZ]

So: how would armed teachers have prevented the 59 deaths and 422 gunshot injuries at that Las Vegas country music festival?

[André]

Arm the doormen and the bouncers !!!!!!

[SimonNZ]

Seen elsewhere:

"You know what I'd love to see? A simulation of that scenario. I'd like to see an armed guard, using a paintball or similar marking gun, in a crowded lunch room, or classroom, or similar environment, and a shooter, again with a paintball gun, or similar sort of marking weapon, enter, start firing, and see just how long it takes. If we had similar firing rates to actual semiautomatic rifles, a paintball gun that wasn't brightly colored or otherwise conspicuous, and, importantly, one fitted with an audio simulator that was actually as loud as gunfire, it would make a good test. And it would have to be situations where the guard is on post for eight hours a day, day in day out, and the simulation can run for up to a month. A ten minute simulation isn't useful since a person can remain focused and vigilant for that long easily. Let's try it with top notch trained military personnel, professional bodyguards, mall cops, and an average high school teacher or cafeteria worker. The audio simulation I think is especially important since for all but highly trained personnel on alert standby, I bet the sound of actual gunfire will significantly delay reaction time.

I'm sick of all the gun fondlers out there proposing armed guards, or arming teachers, or whatever, as a solution every time there's a shooting. Let's do a study and see how many kids get shot. I guarantee you the median result will be more than one. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it's only a few less than the current typical body counts. Human reaction time is far slower than most people realize, especially in routine, boring situations which suddenly become not so routine and boring."

[Baron Scarpia]

Seen elsewhere:

"You know what I'd love to see? A simulation of that scenario. I'd like to see an armed guard, using a paintball or similar marking gun, in a crowded lunch room, or classroom, or similar environment, and a shooter, again with a paintball gun, or similar sort of marking weapon, enter, start firing, and see just how long it takes. If we had similar firing rates to actual semiautomatic rifles, a paintball gun that wasn't brightly colored or otherwise conspicuous, and, importantly, one fitted with an audio simulator that was actually as loud as gunfire, it would make a good test. And it would have to be situations where the guard is on post for eight hours a day, day in day out, and the simulation can run for up to a month. A ten minute simulation isn't useful since a person can remain focused and vigilant for that long easily. Let's try it with top notch trained military personnel, professional bodyguards, mall cops, and an average high school teacher or cafeteria worker. The audio simulation I think is especially important since for all but highly trained personnel on alert standby, I bet the sound of actual gunfire will significantly delay reaction time.

I'm sick of all the gun fondlers out there proposing armed guards, or arming teachers, or whatever, as a solution every time there's a shooting. Let's do a study and see how many kids get shot. I guarantee you the median result will be more than one. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it's only a few less than the current typical body counts. Human reaction time is far slower than most people realize, especially in routine, boring situations which suddenly become not so routine and boring."

The school in Florida did have an armed guard. He ran outside to hide from the gunman, apparently. Other deputies who arrived while the shooting was still going on were outside the school hiding behind their cars when the city police arrived and charged in.

There have been cases where an armed person has stopped an attack. There was a recent case where an armed usher at a church stopped a lunatic from killing people, if I recall correctly. You can't say an armed guard offers no protection, but it is insane to say it is the solution to the problem in the US. And you have to ask yourself whether the armed guards themselves may turn out to be lunatics who shoot up schools.

[Mahlerian]

The school in Florida did have an armed guard. He ran outside to hide from the gunman, apparently. Other deputies who arrived while the shooting was still going on were outside the school hiding behind their cars when the city police arrived and charged in.

There have been cases where an armed person has stopped an attack. There was a recent case where an armed usher at a church stopped a lunatic from killing people, if I recall correctly. You can't say an armed guard offers no protection, but it is insane to say it is the solution to the problem in the US. And you have to ask yourself whether the armed guards themselves may turn out to be lunatics who shoot up schools.

Similarly, the idea of arming teachers seems ludicrous to me.  Who would be held liable if the teacher required to carry and use a firearm accidentally hits and kills a student during an active shooting situation?

[Baron Scarpia]

Similarly, the idea of arming teachers seems ludicrous to me.  Who would be held liable if the teacher required to carry and use a firearm accidentally hits and kills a student during an active shooting situation?

And what if a student gets the teaches gun an blows away a few classmates?

[Mahlerian]

And what if a student gets the teaches gun an blows away a few classmates?

Exactly.  Neither is a scenario that parents would want to contemplate, much less face.

[kishnevi]

So: how would armed teachers have prevented the 59 deaths and 422 gunshot injuries at that Las Vegas country music festival?

Shame on you, Simon, for wanting people to be logical about this.

[André]

The (totally legal) rifle of choice for killing your neighbours: they won't stand a chance.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/what-i-saw-treating-the-victims-from-parkland-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/?utm_source=atlfb&wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_todayworld

[SimonNZ]

Exclusive: U.S. official focused on election security will be replaced

"The head of a federal commission who has helped U.S. states protect election systems from possible cyber attacks by Russia or others is being replaced at the behest of Republican House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan and the White House.

Matthew Masterson, a member of the U.S. Election Assistance Commission who currently serves as its chairman, has been passed over for a second four-year term as one of the agency's four commissioners.

"The appointment expired in December and we are going in a different direction for our nomination. We nominate people for a variety of positions and generally speaking choose our own folks," AshLee Strong, a spokeswoman for Ryan, said by email on Thursday."

[SimonNZ]

Emoluments Suit vs. Trump Now Personal as Well as Official

"Attorneys general of Maryland and the District of Columbia on Friday expanded their lawsuit accusing President Donald Trump of accepting gifts from foreign and state governments, suing him not only as president but in his personal capacity as a businessman."

[Turner]

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[SimonNZ]

Parkland Survivor on Phone Call With Trump: 'I've Never Been So Unimpressed By a Person in My Life'

"He said he heard that I was a big fan of his, and then he said, 'I'm a big fan of yours too.' I'm pretty sure he made that up," she said after being discharged from the hospital. "Talking to the president, I've never been so unimpressed by a person in my life. He didn't make me feel better in the slightest."

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After testy call with Trump over border wall, Mexican president shelves plan to visit White House

"Tentative plans for Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto to make his first visit to the White House to meet with President Trump were scuttled this week after a testy call between the two leaders ended in an impasse over Trump's promised border wall, according to U.S. and Mexican officials.

Peña Nieto was eyeing an official trip to Washington this month or in March, but both countries agreed to call off the plan after Trump would not agree to publicly affirm Mexico's position that it would not fund construction of a border wall that the Mexican people widely consider offensive, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a confidential conversation.

Speaking by phone on Tuesday, Peña Nieto and Trump devoted a considerable portion of their roughly 50 minute conversation to the wall, and neither man would compromise his position.

One Mexican official said Trump "lost his temper." But U.S. officials described him instead as being frustrated and exasperated, saying Trump believed it was unreasonable for Peña Nieto to expect him to back off his crowd-pleasing campaign promise of forcing Mexico to pay for the wall."

[BasilValentine]

Parkland Survivor on Phone Call With Trump: 'I've Never Been So Unimpressed By a Person in My Life'

"He said he heard that I was a big fan of his, and then he said, 'I'm a big fan of yours too.' I'm pretty sure he made that up," she said after being discharged from the hospital. "Talking to the president, I've never been so unimpressed by a person in my life. He didn't make me feel better in the slightest."

Ah, once again reaffirmed: What a lowlife POS is our president. Using con artist manipulation on a victim to coerce a favorable response. It's like in the handbook for Trump University where the former fast food manager "professors" are told never to thank a "student," but instead to congratulate them. John Oliver explains this at 7:20 in the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBUeipXFisQ

[BasilValentine]

Trump is now saying he would have run into Stoneman Douglas High School and faced flying bullets to rescue students whether or not he was armed. With all due apology to innocent excrement the world over: What a ludicrous POS!

[Baron Scarpia]

Trump is now saying he would have run into Stoneman Douglas High School and faced flying bullets to rescue students whether or not he was armed. Does he think anyone is going to believe that? Ugh!

"Damn, if it weren't for those bone spurs I could have got them out."

[Karl Henning]

He's been pouring forth bullshit for so long, he doesn't even recognize the nature of his bullshit.

[The new erato]

But so neither does his voters.

[Karl Henning]

Ask the Tuperos here, if they care!