Behold, the Sea.

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kyjo

Quote from: Iota on July 27, 2019, 11:52:26 AM
I don't think anybody's yet mentioned Koechlin's beautifully contemplative Paysages et Marines. I have a feeling Keith Jarrett amongst others might feel a certain kinship. Anyway I'd recommend it wholeheartedly.

A beautiful work indeed. I only know the chamber version which is wonderfully evocative.
"Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" - Sergei Rachmaninoff

Iota

Quote from: North Star on July 27, 2019, 04:15:16 PM
I'll have to revisit this. Last year, as I went through the solo piano music in the Haenssler box with chamber music, I'm sure I didn't give enough attention to the music aside from Les Heures Persanes.

I hope you enjoy it if you do. It's of a very different emotional hue to Les Heures Persanes imo, which seems to move in twilight, compared to the dappled light and reverie of Marines et Paysages.


Quote from: kyjo on July 28, 2019, 11:43:27 AM
... I only know the chamber version which is wonderfully evocative.

Indeed, equally exquisite!

SymphonicAddict

Some works that haven't been mentioned yet: Borresen's Symphony No. 2 The Sea, Klami's Sea Pictures and Chausson's Poème de l'amour et de la mer.

SymphonicAddict

Quote from: Irons on July 27, 2019, 01:09:11 AM
Saved by the search tool! I did think of starting a thread on one of my favourite musical subjects, the Sea only to find as I always do that it has already been done.

A few favourites in no particular order of mine. Which others are liked by forum members?

Frank Bridge: The Sea.

Britten: Four Sea Interludes.

Ibert: Symphonie Marine.

Rangstrom: 3rd Symphony.

Elgar: Sea Pictures.

Mendelssohn: The Hebrides.

Bax: The Garden of Fand.

Bax: Tintagel. (Tintagel is a place but is sea music).

I like this list. The Garden of Fand is magnificent and underrated IMO. Rangström's 3rd Symphony Sang under Stjarnorna (Song under stars) is also an interesting choice. I feel it like Atterberg on steroids (not in a demeaning way of course).

André

I like Gösta Nystroem's Ishavet (Arctic Ocean).

JBS

Has this been mentioned

Hollywood Beach Broadwalk

Irons

Quote from: SymphonicAddict on July 28, 2019, 03:14:18 PM
I like this list. The Garden of Fand is magnificent and underrated IMO. Rangström's 3rd Symphony Sang under Stjarnorna (Song under stars) is also an interesting choice. I feel it like Atterberg on steroids (not in a demeaning way of course).

Interesting you mention Atterberg. I sampled one work (forgotten which) and underwhelmed, some steroids would not been out of place. But if he is anything like Rangstrom I will try again.
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

kyjo

Quote from: Irons on July 28, 2019, 11:43:14 PM
Interesting you mention Atterberg. I sampled one work (forgotten which) and underwhelmed, some steroids would not been out of place. But if he is anything like Rangstrom I will try again.

:o Underwhelmed by Atterberg! Impossible! ;D I understand, his music may be too "bombastic" for some tastes. But I urge you to give him another try! Perhaps start with the 2nd, 3rd, or 6th symphonies. Or if you want something smaller-scale, try A Värmlands Rhapsody or the 5th Suite Barocco. :)
"Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" - Sergei Rachmaninoff

SymphonicAddict

I wonder which Atterberg's work caused you a bad impression, Irons. Kyle is right: Atterberg is consistently appealing. Besides what Kyle mentioned, I could recommend his Horn Concerto, Piano Concerto, the Piano Quintet (a reduction of his 6th Symphony), Symphony for strings, 5th and 8th symphonies, Intermezzo for string orchestra (so lovely and elegant), The River, and String Quartet No. 3. By the way, the 3rd Symphony has to do with the thread!

kyjo

Quote from: André on July 28, 2019, 05:12:10 PM
I like Gösta Nystroem's Ishavet (Arctic Ocean).

Besides this and his moving Symphony no. 3 Sinfonia del mare, there's also his gorgeously evocative Songs by the Sea for soprano and orchestra.
"Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" - Sergei Rachmaninoff

kyjo

Quote from: SymphonicAddict on July 29, 2019, 01:32:57 PM
I wonder which Atterberg's work caused you a bad impression, Irons. Kyle is right: Atterberg is consistently appealing. Besides what Kyle mentioned, I could recommend his Horn Concerto, Piano Concerto, the Piano Quintet (a reduction of his 6th Symphony), Symphony for strings, 5th and 8th symphonies, Intermezzo for string orchestra (so lovely and elegant), The River, and String Quartet No. 3. By the way, the 3rd Symphony has to do with the thread!

Naturally, I agree! ;D
"Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" - Sergei Rachmaninoff

pjme

#91
Two French sea related rarities :

https://www.youtube.com/v/QmlBA_qhWNI

Saint Valéry is a lovely old village in the Baie de Somme (Bay of the Somme or Somme Bay), a large estuary in the Picardie région of France. The bay drains six rivers into the English Channel.
Louis (Félix André) Fourestier (31 May 1892 – 30 September 1976) was a French conductor, composer and pedagogue, and was one of the founders of the Orchestre Symphonique de Paris.

https://www.youtube.com/v/yWKW--RjMF4

Yves Marie Baudrier (February 11, 1906 – November 9, 1988) was a French composer. Along with André Jolivet, Olivier Messiaen and Jean-Yves Daniel-Lesur, he was a founder of the La jeune France movement.

Alfred Hill wrote "The sea" in 1941 : https://youtu.be/bUrr_mxt1p8

Biffo

The posting by pjme reminded me of Jean Cras. He spent all his career in the French Navy with composition being a side line. He has a fairly small output and surprisingly little of it has a nautical connection though he travelled extensively. The most extensive work with a link to the sea is Journal de bord, an orchestral suite lasting roughly 23 minutes; very atmospheric and well worth hearing.



relm1

Toshio Hosokawa: Circulating Ocean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzt9Xy0D6TU

Toshio Hosokawa: Memories of the Sea
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John Luther Adams: Becoming Ocean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGva1NVWRXk

kyjo

Quote from: Biffo on July 30, 2019, 04:54:55 AM
The posting by pjme reminded me of Jean Cras. He spent all his career in the French Navy with composition being a side line. He has a fairly small output and surprisingly little of it has a nautical connection though he travelled extensively. The most extensive work with a link to the sea is Journal de bord, an orchestral suite lasting roughly 23 minutes; very atmospheric and well worth hearing.

Yes, Journal de bord is a lovely work. Even though it's Cras' only work explicitly about the sea, much of his other music has a rather "maritime" quality to it.
"Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" - Sergei Rachmaninoff

Irons

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Quote from: SymphonicAddict on July 29, 2019, 01:32:57 PM
I wonder which Atterberg's work caused you a bad impression, Irons. Kyle is right: Atterberg is consistently appealing. Besides what Kyle mentioned, I could recommend his Horn Concerto, Piano Concerto, the Piano Quintet (a reduction of his 6th Symphony), Symphony for strings, 5th and 8th symphonies, Intermezzo for string orchestra (so lovely and elegant), The River, and String Quartet No. 3. By the way, the 3rd Symphony has to do with the thread!

I checked my shelves and unfortunately it has gone - why is it whenever I dispose of a recording I end up regretting it! Of coarse after your and Kyle's advocacy I will have another crack and thanks for varied list of suggestions which are all noted.

Edit: I am pretty sure this was the one -



In fact I am certain.
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

SymphonicAddict

Quote from: Irons on July 30, 2019, 06:36:52 AM
I checked my shelves and unfortunately it has gone - why is it whenever I dispose of a recording I end up regretting it! Of coarse after your and Kyle's advocacy I will have another crack and thanks for varied list of suggestions which are all noted.

Edit: I am pretty sure this was the one -



In fact I am certain.

Interesting because I'm not familiar with those pieces (I don't know the Pastoral Suite at all!). The other listed works are safe listens, I hope so!

kyjo

Quote from: Irons on July 30, 2019, 06:36:52 AM
I checked my shelves and unfortunately it has gone - why is it whenever I dispose of a recording I end up regretting it! Of coarse after your and Kyle's advocacy I will have another crack and thanks for varied list of suggestions which are all noted.

Edit: I am pretty sure this was the one -



In fact I am certain.

I very much like the Suite Barocco and I think I've heard the Suite Pastorale at some point but can't remember it very well. However, Atterberg's greatest achievements are undoubtedly his symphonies (not a weak one among them IMO, except perhaps the 9th) and concerti, which are much meatier works.
"Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" - Sergei Rachmaninoff

Irons

Quote from: kyjo on July 30, 2019, 09:00:21 PM
I very much like the Suite Barocco and I think I've heard the Suite Pastorale at some point but can't remember it very well. However, Atterberg's greatest achievements are undoubtedly his symphonies (not a weak one among them IMO, except perhaps the 9th) and concerti, which are much meatier works.

There are more variables on vinyl and a lacklustre recording can be an influence. The best deal on eBay is the full set of symphonies (CD) rather then picking them off separately. I think the way to go is for me to sample on YT and take it from there. Thanks for all comments, much appreciated. 
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

kyjo

Quote from: Irons on July 31, 2019, 12:02:13 AM
There are more variables on vinyl and a lacklustre recording can be an influence. The best deal on eBay is the full set of symphonies (CD) rather then picking them off separately. I think the way to go is for me to sample on YT and take it from there. Thanks for all comments, much appreciated.

Fortunately, all of his symphonies (and often different recordings of them) are easily available on YT. Ari Rasilainen's recordings are always a safe bet (Jarvi's are much more controversial). Happy exploring, and please report back with some impressions! :)
"Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" - Sergei Rachmaninoff