Non-Classical Music Listening Thread!

[steve ridgway]

Hot Rocks 1964-1971 by The Rolling Stones

I like this one - but there's absolutely nothing from their best album .

[AnotherSpin]

I'm not talking about 20-30 minutes songs. I am talking about 2-5 minutes songs. A typical The Carpenters album has got 10 songs a little more than 3 minutes long on average. 2-3 of those are "hits" and the rest are non-hits. I want ALL of those 10 songs, not just the 2-3 hits that are on the BEST OF compilations.

Yes, they are best selling, because most people are happy with the hits only. That's the damn problem! We who want to collect albums are left out! Just compare how many BEST OF compilation there are of the music of Air Supply and how hard many of their albums are to get on CD!

I find it hard to understand your difficulties. Does someone prevent you from listening to the albums you prefer? Why do you care what other listeners like? In this case, I was not in the mood to dig through different albums by The Doobie Brothers that I listened to years ago on vinyl, while the "Best of" compilation was just fine.

[AnotherSpin]

I like this one - but there's absolutely nothing from their best album .

Fine album. My favourite is Let it Bleed.

[71 dB]

I find it hard to understand your difficulties. Does someone prevent you from listening to the albums you prefer? Why do you care what other listeners like? In this case, I was not in the mood to dig through different albums by The Doobie Brothers that I listened to years ago on vinyl, while the "Best of" compilation was just fine.

Nobody is preventing me of anything. This is not just about listening to something. I am talking about collecting albums on CD. The copyright owners of course want to exploit their copyrights to cash in. Instead of releasing the albums or better yet, boxsets of albums, they often resort to releasing BEST OF CDs since those tend to sell well. I am not that kind of consumer. That's why I don't like such business model. That's why I am not a big fan of BEST OF compilations.

[AnotherSpin]

Nobody is preventing me of anything. This is not just about listening to something. I am talking about collecting albums on CD. The copyright owners of course want to exploit their copyrights to cash in. Instead of releasing the albums or better yet, boxsets of albums, they often resort to releasing BEST OF CDs since those tend to sell well. I am not that kind of consumer. That's why I don't like such business model. That's why I am not a big fan of BEST OF compilations.

This is exactly what I write: buy what you like and ignore what you don't like. The market is oversaturated many times over, it's not difficult to find what you need, no matter what the copyright owners' policies are. Maybe Finland has a problem with this, only compilations of the best songs are imported? If so, my condolences 

[71 dB]

This is exactly what I write: buy what you like and ignore what you don't like. The market is oversaturated many times over, it's not difficult to find what you need, no matter what the copyright owners' policies are. Maybe Finland has a problem with this, only compilations of the best songs are imported? If so, my condolences 

I doubt you have it any better in Ukraine I have it in Finland. I don't buy much of my CDs domestically. At the moment I have The Carpenter's Passage album and Maureen McGovern's twofer ordered from the US. The former is released in Japan only and imported to the US. The latter is released only in the US. You can't buy those albums anywhere in Europe let alone in Ukraine or Finland! Check it out yourself.

I was insanely lucky with Maureen McGovern as I have said. Otherwise this wouldn't be possible at all!

[AnotherSpin]

I doubt you have it any better in Ukraine I have it in Finland. I don't buy much of my CDs domestically. At the moment I have The Carpenter's Passage album and Maureen McGovern's twofer ordered from the US. The former is released in Japan only and imported to the US. The latter is released only in the US. You can't buy those albums anywhere in Europe let alone in Ukraine or Finland! Check it out yourself.

I was insanely lucky with Maureen McGovern as I have said. Otherwise this wouldn't be possible at all!

Living in Ukraine I didn't have much trouble acquiring the albums I wanted (after collapsing of USSR, of course). Either I ordered CDs and they came to the shop, or I bought them myself from abroad. I stopped buying CDs some time ago, streaming has everything. Including Maureen McGovern.

[71 dB]

Living in Ukrania I didn't have much trouble acquiring the albums I wanted (after collapsing of USSR, of course). Either I ordered CDs and they came to the shop, or I bought them myself from abroad. I stopped buying CDs some time ago, streaming has everything. Including Maureen McGovern.

Streaming services have only the later Maureen McGovern I am not interested of, not the 70's stuff I am actually interested of. Also, streaming in NOT the answer to someone who collects CDs. I WANT PHYSICAL MEDIA!!! Why can't you streamers just get that???

[SimonNZ]

Streaming services have only the later Maureen McGovern I am not interested of, not the 70's stuff I am actually interested of. Also, streaming in NOT the answer to someone who collects CDs. I WANT PHYSICAL MEDIA!!! Why can't you streamers just get that???

If you have an expectation of a local cd store (or even an online seller) that carries everything you could possibly want at all times you are simply dreaming. That has never been the case anywhere ever. Record and cd collectors have always had lists of things they are waiting months or years of diligent checking to present themselves at a reasonable price and then get pounced on. I baffled why you think your experience should be any different. My experience is that I'm kept busy enough and happy enough with whatever presents itself in front of me, even if its not the very top item of my wish list.


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Kate Bush - Before The Dawn

Very impressed by using "Lily" as the opening of the concert, which makes me want to revisit her The Red Shoes album, an album I haven't played in maybe 20 years.

[AnotherSpin]

Streaming services have only the later Maureen McGovern I am not interested of, not the 70's stuff I am actually interested of. Also, streaming in NOT the answer to someone who collects CDs. I WANT PHYSICAL MEDIA!!! Why can't you streamers just get that???

In my case, streaming was the perfect answer for someone who had previously collected CDs - I was able to get rid of the mountains of plastic, at last. Wait, your time will come. And if it doesn't, that's fine too. Whatever.

[AnotherSpin]

Relayer from a set of remixes of Yes albums by Steven Wilson (CD 5). A magnificent transfer! I think this is the first time I've heard a compact disc that not only sounds as good as the original Relayer LP, but also makes me feel confident that I'm hearing this amazing album for the first time. Qobuz streaming.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Remember when am radio stations played everything? Well, they never had classical tracks on their playlists but just about everything else...



Been listening to this great 70s Am Radio playlist on Spotify. I guess the biggest boon is that you can listen without a sub with ads that'll come closest to replicating the old am radio experience. 

Did you ever listen to Imus in the Morning?

PD

[71 dB]

If you have an expectation of a local cd store (or even an online seller) that carries everything you could possibly want at all times you are simply dreaming.

I'm not "dreaming" about this, but I do (day)dream about a World where things would be like this. The availability of "best of" -compilations is good and that's where my frustrations comes from. I don't blame the sellers.

That has never been the case anywhere ever.

You are probably right. I believe CDs sold best around 1995. I'd say around 2000 when the internet and online stores had became a thing the availability of CDs was the best regardless of where the buyer is located. Later came streaming and vinyl (even c-cassette!) revival and CDs don't sell as well as they used to.

Record and cd collectors have always had lists of things they are waiting months or years of diligent checking to present themselves at a reasonable price and then get pounced on. I baffled why you think your experience should be any different.

I'm not a bild comformist like many other people are. Introvered intuition is my dominant cognitive function and that's why my head is constantly creating models of how things could and should be. Mankind could make it so that every CD is easily available if people just wanted it. Introverted feeling is my third cognitive function and it makes me feel frustration and what not whenever the World doesn't look like what my introverted intuition says it should be. Now, someone who has got a very different kind of personality type is likely to see things differently. These people are good at comforming. It is natural for them. They see the World and act in it the optimal way and that's it. I can understand such strategy, but it is difficult for me to execute it because my brain isn't build for such things. My brain is for detecting things that could be better and come up with the solution. In this case the solution is to make people in general more interested of albums on CD instead of best of -compilations. Capitalism will do the rest. More demand means more supply.

My experience is that I'm kept busy enough and happy enough with whatever presents itself in front of me, even if its not the very top item of my wish list.

I also have enough CDs to be kept "busy", but that's not how collectors think.

[71 dB]

In my case, streaming was the perfect answer for someone who had previously collected CDs - I was able to get rid of the mountains of plastic, at last. Wait, your time will come. And if it doesn't, that's fine too. Whatever.

Streaming is handy for sure, I use it to explore new music, but I can't let my music collection to be in the hands of third parties. I don't want to experience my favourite music disappearing just because some licenses expired and weren't renewed.

People want things for whatever rational and irrational reasons. I want CDs. It is nostalgy, traditions and the feel that something in my life stays the same (comfort/safety/etc.).

[AnotherSpin]

You really think you control any thing?

[71 dB]

You really think you control any thing?

Nobody has any real control if the universe is 100 % deterministic (on levels more fundamental than quantum physics), but we have the illusion of control and that's the point. In my case licenses expiring in streaming services harm this illusion and that's why I rather keep collecting CDs to uphold the illusion.

[steve ridgway]

Nobody has any real control if the universe is 100 % deterministic (on levels more fundamental than quantum physics), but we have the illusion of control and that's the point. In my case licenses expiring in streaming services harm this illusion and that's why I rather keep collecting CDs to uphold the illusion.

Yes, it's possible to create these little pockets of order in one's world and build outwards from there .

[AnotherSpin]

Nobody has any real control if the universe is 100 % deterministic (on levels more fundamental than quantum physics), but we have the illusion of control and that's the point. In my case licenses expiring in streaming services harm this illusion and that's why I rather keep collecting CDs to uphold the illusion.

At least, the good thing is that this illusion is harmless to everyone but you. Well, almost harmless.

And, no thing stays the same, here is the seed of future discomfort.

[steve ridgway]

At least, the good thing is that this illusion is harmless to everyone but you. Well, almost harmless.

And, no thing stays the same, here is the seed of future discomfort.

One might be able to change reality to approach more closely the dream, or the dream to approach more closely to reality.

[71 dB]

In order to get back to the topic I mention this: Back in the 80's I used to absolutely hate the music of the band WHAM! and for the most part still do, but I realised their hit song "Last Christmas" sounds kind of cool to me nowadays because it happens to have a strong flavour of vaporwave music. In fact, processed and slowed down versions of it are considered proper vaporwave: