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[karlhenning]

Honestly I was not aware of the fact that many posters think my postings are annoying, but from reading this thread I realize this is the case. My conclusion must be then that I should stop writing about the music I play and like. I will from now on only post the image of the record, and if anyone is interested at all to hear what I think about it, he or she can pm me. That looks like a fair deal to me. The only other option is to leave, and I have this in my mind for a long time, for I am truly disturbed by repeated, somewhat hidden remarks at my address. Passive aggressive behavior, as some call it. Well Freud did ask himself repeatedly, "What is on a man's mind", and now I know why!

What Dave said, Harry:  Keep the Sonic Steamroller rollin'!

[knight66]

Wait...back up...what is what here?  Luke left, M was banned, and knight is now posting under the name "Queen Guinevere"

There have certainly been some cyber-sex-changes here; but I am not at present, nor in the past, amongst them. Adam, you are a cheeky little imp, as my grandmother might have said.

Sarge will, as mentioned, be back quite soon now.

Knight

[Dundonnell]

Reminds me of that old Hitchcock film "The Trouble With Harry"

In the film of course Harry is a corpse-absolutely no similarities there then naturally

The characters spend the film talking about Harry and trying to dispose of his body.

Hmm....gosh, I do need "to get out more" and "loosen up"

[mn dave]

In the film of course Harry is a corpse-absolutely no similarities there then naturally

Is that why he's called "Harry's Coroner?"

[Dundonnell]

Is that why he's called "Harry's Coroner?"

Excellent

[karlhenning]

first of all it's not a hate speech, it's a response to those who don't see what they are doing: supporting one by pushing down another.

You seem persistently to miss the point, Tony;  M committed cyber seppuku, there's no one was "pushing him down."  It's peculiarly fond of you to see M as the "victim" here, when he was the pusher.

And, why do you get so wound up about Harry?  What about "live and let live"?

[Florestan]

Florestan above should in particular hear this.

I have "heard" it all right. Not that I care about your opinion of me, but just for the record: I'd rather be fool with Harry than wise-guy with you or M.

[prémont]

Honestly I was not aware of the fact that many posters think my postings are annoying, but from reading this thread I realize this is the case. My conclusion must be then that I should stop writing about the music I play and like. I will from now on only post the image of the record, and if anyone is interested at all to hear what I think about it, he or she can pm me. That looks like a fair deal to me. The only other option is to leave, and I have this in my mind for a long time, for I am truly disturbed by repeated, somewhat hidden remarks at my address. Passive aggressive behavior, as some call it. Well Freud did ask himself repeatedly, "What is on a man's mind", and now I know why!

Dear Harry

Being one of the many posters here, who read you postings, I would ask you to continue to write your reviews like before.
They are as well useful as entertaining at the same time. As late as this day I have ordered a number of CDs, which you have recommended.

Kindest regards

[ezodisy]

You seem persistently to miss the point, Tony;  M committed cyber seppuku, there's no one was "pushing him down."  It's peculiarly fond of you to see M as the "victim" here, when he was the pusher.

And, why do you get so wound up about Harry?  What about "live and let live"?

I get the feeling that your old English has just confused the hell out of you, Karl.

I have "heard" it all right. Not that I care about your opinion of me, but just for the record: I'd rather be fool with Harry than wise-guy with you or M.

Try to be a man. It's not my opinion about you, it's my opinion about how you have to push one man's face into shit to make another man happy. This is servant mentality.

[Florestan]

it's my opinion about how you have to push one man's face into shit to make another man happy.

I think you misadressed this line. Its proper recipient should be M, who indeed has been shitting on almost everyone's face here just to make his ego happy.

[Archaic Torso of Apollo]

Personally I think we all owe Harry a debt of gratitude - he is single-handedly propping up the classical recording industry 

[ezodisy]

I think you misadressed this line. Its proper recipient should be M, who indeed has been shitting on almost everyone's face here just to make his ego happy.

I don't disagree with you about this, however the difference is that it might be expected from him, but it is not expected from you, which is why I pointed it out. You can of course continue to ignore it if you wish. I will not mention it again, because, like I said already, it is not my opinion about you, only about your last unnecessary action.

[Pierre]

You seem persistently to miss the point, Tony;  M committed cyber seppuku, there's no one was "pushing him down."  It's peculiarly fond of you to see M as the "victim" here, when he was the pusher.

And, why do you get so wound up about Harry?  What about "live and let live"?

I get the feeling that your old English has just confused the hell out of you, Karl.

Erm, no. I think Karl knows very well what he's saying - though perhaps M didn't so much commit seppuku as charge recklessly around in a car, not only unconcerned about driving with 'due care and attention' (ie taking time to read and understand other posters) but recklessly jumping red lights. His sticky end was totally inevitable.

[Wanderer]

To me M's being banned came as no surprise whatsoever. Some members here can testify I predicted it long time ago, immediately after he was re-admitted.

His technical knowledge I will regret not seeing again.

Of course it was not a surprise. He saw it coming and made no effort whatsoever to prevent it; on the contrary, he put extra effort into being his usual obnoxious self and goading people right and left so that he would get banned eventually and play the victim (bad moderators would be to blame of course for his predicament). It's just a different facet of the victim mentality others have described here.

I'd prefer that he stayed and posted on the subjects and recordings he knew but frankly, given his general attitude, he isn't worth the trouble to have around. Furthermore, while he told every other person off for their supposedly inadequate knowledge in a variety of subjects, he himself pretended knowledge and insights into fields and subjects he barely knew, backing hot air with lots of attitude. There are people here which are ten times more knowledgeable and still manage to appear modest, well-spoken, pleasant, helpful and without signs of rampant superiority or inferiority complexes.
I'd welcome him back if he changed, but people very seldom do.

[mozartsneighbor]

I think you misadressed this line. Its proper recipient should be M, who indeed has been shitting on almost everyone's face here just to make his ego happy.

For once I agree with Florestan -- during my short time at this forum I have seen M be repeatedly aggressive with people who did him no harm, particularly Harry. The nasty gusto with which M tried to humiliate other people to prop his own ego up in the process I always found quite distasteful.
I can't see how anyone could see Harry as the aggressor in these instances. I don't wish to push anyone's face in the mud, I don't know either Harry or M. But the facts about who was doing the provocation and aggression are pretty self-evident.

[Florestan]

I don't disagree with you about this, however the difference is that it might be expected from him, but it is not expected from you, which is why I pointed it out.

Look. The difference between you and me is that I had controversies with M and I think Harry compares very favourably with him, while you had controversies with Harry and think M compares very favourably to him. Let us just agree to disagree and get over it, ok?

[PSmith08]

Of course it was not a surprise. He saw it coming and made no effort whatsoever to prevent it; on the contrary, he put extra effort into being his usual obnoxious self and goading people right and left so that he would get banned eventually and play the victim (bad moderators would be to blame of course for his predicament). It's just a different facet of the victim mentality others have described here.

I'd prefer that he stayed and posted on the subjects and recordings he knew but frankly, given his general attitude, he isn't worth the trouble to have around. Furthermore, while he told every other person off for their supposedly inadequate knowledge in a variety of subjects, he himself pretended knowledge and insights into fields and subjects he barely knew, backing hot air with lots of attitude. There are people here which are ten times more knowledgeable and still manage to appear modest, well-spoken, pleasant, helpful and without signs of rampant superiority or inferiority complexes.
I'd welcome him back if he changed, but people very seldom do.

Well said. I would only add that we've been down this road with M before, almost point-by-point. He has traditionally come back, contrite and promising to play well with others, and each time (two or three, IIRC) it's ended in this. Each time, it's the fault of "management" or people who side with his "victims," and that history is sufficient for me to say that there is but one outcome where he's concerned. That's too bad, but it is what it is.

To put it frankly, there is enough expertise in German and Austro-Hungarian composers of the central orchestral repertoire around here that his loss shouldn't be felt too keenly. I am sure that someone can, if demand for a replacement rises to sufficient levels, throw about words like "idiomatic" and hold one-sided colloquies about the authenticity of various orchestras' sounds.

As for the rest, sic transit gloria and all of that.

[scarpia]

To put it frankly, there is enough expertise in German and Austro-Hungarian composers of the central orchestral repertoire around here that his loss shouldn't be felt too keenly. I am sure that someone can, if demand for a replacement rises to sufficient levels, throw about words like "idiomatic" and hold one-sided colloquies about the authenticity of various orchestras' sounds.

To be sure, there are others who throw the words around.  But I am not aware of any here who are as qualified to know what they mean.

[Joe_Campbell]

Using a thesaurus has nothing to do with qualifications. By the way, what 'qualifies' someone to give an opinion on a recording?

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

In defense of M - he really knew his stuff. He had had a good music education, had played in orchestras, could compare the sounds of orchestras, knew their histories. So I think he certainly was entitled to have firm opinions. Of course you could disagree, but there was no doubting his expertise and knowledge.