Mozart's nationality

[Florestan]

Yes, but: nationality? As far as I'm aware, the first meaning in most languages (or the few I know) is something like "citizenship of a particular nation, state". That, at least, is what I've been discussing here regarding Mozart's "nationality". 

In Romanian, "nationality" is markedly distinct from "citizenship", Thus, the former means "the fact of belonging to a nation" (and as such, all Kurds have Kurdish nationality) while the latter means "the fact of being a citizen of a state" (and as such, the Basques can be either Spanish or French citizens, while retaining their Basque nationality). For instance, the Hungarians in Transylvania are Romanian citizens of Hungarian nationality.

I hope this helps a bit for clarifying my use of both words.

[karlhenning]

In Romanian, "nationality" is markedly distinct from "citizenship", Thus, the former means "the fact of belonging to a nation" (and as such, all Kurds have Kurdish nationality) while the latter means "the fact of being a citizen of a state" (and as such, the Basques can be either Spanish or French citizens, while retaining their Basque nationality). For instance, the Hungarians in Transylvania are Romanian citizens of Hungarian nationality.

I hope this helps a bit for clarifying my use of both words.

A distinction with which I am familiar from residency in Russia, where the paperwork still retained those distinctions from the Soviet era (where one might be a Soviet citizen, but an Uzbek national, for instance).

[Florestan]

A distinction with which I am familiar from residency in Russia, where the paperwork still retained those distinctions from the Soviet era (where one might be a Soviet citizen, but an Uzbek national, for instance).

Precisely. It might be that I am linguistically accustomed to this usage of the terms, but it seems to me the distinction is logical and fact-based.

[Christo]

In Romanian, "nationality" is markedly distinct from "citizenship", Thus, the former means "the fact of belonging to a nation" (and as such, all Kurds have Kurdish nationality) while the latter means "the fact of being a citizen of a state" (and as such, the Basques can be either Spanish or French citizens, while retaining their Basque nationality). For instance, the Hungarians in Transylvania are Romanian citizens of Hungarian nationality.

I hope this helps a bit for clarifying my use of both words.

Yes, actually I know. And about the Russian concept of nationality as well - as I already explained somewhere earlier in this thread.

But I didn't encounter this meaning in an English-language context, which I always considered close to the French, German (and Dutch  ) concept. In most of these environments, "nationality" and citizenship are almost equivalents. Very different from the Russian and Romanian use of it, indeed.

[karlhenning]

Precisely. It might be that I am linguistically accustomed to this usage of the terms, but it seems to me the distinction is logical and fact-based.

There's even historical usage to similar effect in (say) the English of Shakespeare.  There's a dust-up in Henry V between a Welshman and an Irishman (who are both subjects of the English crown), and the Welshman remarks:

Captain Macmorris, I think, look you, under your
correction, there is not many of your nation--

[Dr. Dread]

Bemidji, Minnesota

[Christo]

Great quotation. But again: this is about nation, not about nationality (a much more modern word, first used in English in 1691 ...)  

[Florestan]

Yes, actually I know. And about the Russian concept of nationality as well - as I already explained somewhere earlier in this thread.

But I didn't encounter this meaning in an English-language context, which I always considered close to the French, German (and Dutch  ) concept. In most of these environments, "nationality" and citizenship are almost equivalents. Very different from the Russian and Romanian use of it, indeed.

I know. When living in France, it took me a rather long time to accomodate myself to the French use of those two words. 

[karlhenning]

Bemidji, Minnesota

"Sad-Eyed Lady of Salzburg"

[jlaurson]

Bemidji, Minnesota

As a former Cobber, with friends in Bemidji, I actually know your neck of the woods quite a bit.