Teresa's Porno Thread

[marcusII]

So are professional killers and drug dealers. So what?

See, this analogy simply doesn't apply. Porn actors/actress don't go around killing people! They make a living by providing a good that people want; killing, i hope you'll agree with me is not a "good". The same goes for drug dealers, they are perpetuating a worsening problem, i.e by selling drugs, which physically damages people btw. See, you believe in one thing: porn->bad. But, you don't really have a good case against it. you just keep bringing up nonsensical stuff like this over the top analogy.
Please, if you feel strongly about this issue, at least give me a good argument why you think it is the case. Why is porn bad? what harm has it done to our society in a way that mirrors killing and drug dealing.

[marcusII]

Definitely not, since they did not have as their sole purpose the sexual arousal of the beholder / reader. Their sex scenes were integrated into a general human frame and were realistic and plausible. None of this applies to what we use to call "porn" and whose only purpose is to make big money out of the unlimited capacity of man to delude himself into thinking that fantasy is a valid substitute for reality.

or a sex aid, or entertainment. It sounds to me that you think EVERYONE who watch porn on a regular basis are screwed up, and addicted to it. But in the real world (not the one you made up in your mind), married couple use pornography; healthy (mentally and physically) people enjoy pornography; young, old, they do it... Excerpt for you, so you feel it is your duty (somehow) to belittle, and denounce anyone else whose life-style choices you don't approve.

[marcusII]

Oh my god, can the new generation really be this pathetic?  Long ago, before the crust of the earth had cooled, porn was not necessary because there was something called "the imagination."  You just had to bring to mind Maryanne from Gilligan's Island and voilà, you were all set.

The world isn't black and white. Not everyone can have a "normal" life. A crippled person can never get love from a healthy normal woman. So what choice does he have? Rot in this living hell that is his life? or do something about it?
From the way you talk about things, I do get the feeling that you'd rather want people to suffer than for you to admit your own narrow-mindedness.

[marcusII]

Of course, imagination is better- porn is pathetic in comparison.  Just kind of seems like it would be kind of sad if the crippled kid were forced to only use his uninformed imagination for his whole life...

Why can't we have both? Who said that we can only have one or the other? Why not fantasy + porn + a real girl friend? Those are not mutually exclusive events, you know.

In this case, it's not a bad idea at all. He's lucky his parents don't have the attitude "well, in heaven God has great things waiting for you..."
Good to hear.

He is lucky his mother isn't Teresa and his dad Florestan. I mean, if you are lucky, you get a truly understanding parent who actually do something to make you happy. Instead of scolding you, or talk the talk.

[Gurn Blanston]

Why can't we have both? Who said that we can only have one or the other? Why not fantasy + porn + a real girl friend? Those are not mutually exclusive events, you know.
He is lucky his mother isn't Teresa and his dad Florestan. I mean, if you are lucky, you get a truly understanding parent who actually do something to make you happy. Instead of scolding you, or talk the talk.

You can have all three of those things, and more power to you. I didn't get where I am today not having those things, I'll tell you that. In fact, in an ideal world which I have actually inhabited on occasion, I had all three of those things at the same time! And truly enjoyed it. Just sayin'.  0:)



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[DavidRoss]

See....

Welcome back, oabmarcus.  That was quick!

[Saul]

The notorious global toothpaste conspiracy...
http://www.youtube.com/v/f4LgZEjfz8I&feature=related

[Gurn Blanston]

there may be some truth to this:  According to this site it's a Nazi/Commie Plot.


"Are our Civil Defense organizations and agencies awake to the perils of water poisoning by fluoridation? Its use has been recorded in other countries. Sodium Fluoride water solutions are the cheapest and most effective rat killers known to chemists: colorless, odorless, tasteless; no antidote, no remedy, no hope: Instant and complete extermination of rats."

"Fluoridation of water systems can be slow national suicide, or quick national liquidation. It is criminal insanity ------- treason!!"

Worse yet, on another site, it says that the Flouridation conspiracy is linked to the Illuminati:

"The first use of fluoridated drinking water was in the Nazi prison camps in Germany, thanks to the Illuminati's notorious pharmaceutical giant, I.G. Farben. "

Follow the chain of associaiton:

1.  Floridation.


2.  Nazi Industrialists


3. The Illuminati:


4.  Gurn, the noted Apologist for the Illuminati


Forum Members-- I  would suggest it's time to stock up on the Evian.

This is all a pack of lies! I can't believe that any of you guppies wonderfully intelligent people here would ever buy into any of it. And another thing that is a lie is that any of my colleagues would even dream of such a thing! You think we got nothing better to do in the evening but sit around listening to Haydn, drinking absinthe and plotting your destruction? OK, strike that, it's Mozart we listen to, the wonderful Wolgangerl, whose Magic Flute we would follow anywhere.

Let me tell you about this jowcol. He's been around other websites too, fomenting revolution everywhere he goes. Don't listen to him, he lies, constantly and heedless of consequences. Did you know that he recently got out of a Turkish prison. The charge? Lying! So there you go. And if you don't believe me, you have only to look at his call to arms. Stock up on Evian, he says. Sure, stock up on Evian. Well, here's his dirty little secret; Evian spelled backwards is 'naive'!  Ha, need I say more? I think some of you are smart enough to see where the truth lies. The rest of you, drink your stinking Evian. Let your teeth rot, who cares?   



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[jowcol]

 

Let me tell you about this jowcol. He's been around other websites too, fomenting revolution everywhere he goes. Don't listen to him, he lies, constantly and heedless of consequences. Did you know that he recently got out of a Turkish prison. The charge? Lying! So there you go. And if you don't believe me, you have only to look at his call to arms. Stock up on Evian, he says. Sure, stock up on Evian. Well, here's his dirty little secret; Evian spelled backwards is 'naive'!  Ha, need I say more? I think some of you are smart enough to see where the truth lies. The rest of you, drink your stinking Evian. Let your teeth rot, who cares?   

Arrgggh!  A touch, I do confess!  I hath been impaled by thy rapier wit!


And yes, if you all have to know, I've spent some time in a Turkish prison.  The Turkish legal system is very harsh for suspected fluoride dealers.   But at least I have my teeth.

[Gurn Blanston]

Arrgggh!  A touch, I do confess!  I hath been impaled by thy rapier wit!


And yes, if you all have to know, I've spent some time in a Turkish prison.  The Turkish legal system is very harsh for suspected fluoride dealers.   But at least I have my teeth.

I can't imagine traveling in Turkey without my own supply of stannous fluoride. And a cyanide capsule in a false tooth. Someday, however, even the wily Turk will have fabulous dental health thanks to this wonderful plan that I and my friends are working on, even as we speak. We have hired a spokesperson, and she will drive people to us in droves. It's a masterful bit of reverse psychology guaranteed to send people over the edge like lemmings. Maybe you've already heard her? Teresa's her name, trolling is her game. When she secretly sold out to .... us, well, the world never had a chance. I bet it's working already.





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[greg]

Why can't we have both? Who said that we can only have one or the other? Why not fantasy + porn + a real girl friend? Those are not mutually exclusive events, you know.

Well, for anyone who can have all three at the same time, good for them.

He is lucky his mother isn't Teresa and his dad Florestan. I mean, if you are lucky, you get a truly understanding parent who actually do something to make you happy. Instead of scolding you, or talk the talk.

Oh, yeah. Of course, there are still many crippled people out there who have parents like that, I bet. They'll just go through life miserable and frustrated because their parents want to stick to their ideals. They just fail to realize that there is a time or place for nearly everything, especially in such situations.

[Scarpia]

The world isn't black and white. Not everyone can have a "normal" life. A crippled person can never get love from a healthy normal woman. So what choice does he have? Rot in this living hell that is his life? or do something about it?
From the way you talk about things, I do get the feeling that you'd rather want people to suffer than for you to admit your own narrow-mindedness.

I'm sorry if I am not moved by your heartwarming vision of crippled people finally free to find fulfilled lives by jerking off to hard core porn videos.

It is a matter of desensitization.  If you go around all day with an iPod frying your ears, or in a car with torpedo subwoofers knocking your teeth loose, you will never know the ecstasy of hearing a symphony orchestra play an exquisite pianissimo in a Mahler symphony.  If you flood your brain with cocaine, your brain will become so resistant to dopamine what you will never experience happiness or euphoria again without chemical assistance.  And if you become refractory to videos of group orgies involving porn stars with silicon enhanced boobs a real human sexual encounter will loose it's effect.  The porn addiction you describe rots human relationships from inside, and is frankly a greater threat to our civilization than anything the Osama bin Laden has ever come up with.

[greg]

I'm sorry if I am not moved by your heartwarming vision of crippled people finally free to find fulfilled lives by jerking off to hard core porn videos.

It is a matter of desensitization.  If you go around all day with an iPod frying your ears, or in a car with torpedo subwoofers knocking your teeth loose, you will never know the ecstasy of hearing a symphony orchestra play an exquisite pianissimo in a Mahler symphony.  If you flood your brain with cocaine, your brain will become so resistant to dopamine what you will never experience happiness or euphoria again without chemical assistance.  And if you become refractory to videos of group orgies involving porn stars with silicon enhanced boobs a real human sexual encounter will loose it's effect.  The porn addiction you describe rots human relationships from inside, and is frankly a greater threat to our civilization than anything the Osama bin Laden has ever come up with.

Desensitization... depends on context.

All of people argue (for example, many parents) that "violent movies and violent video games desensitize children." Maybe it desensitizes them video game or movie violence. But no matter how many times I happily blow off a zombies head in Resident Evil 4, if I really saw someone's head being blown off right in front of me, I think I would be traumatized.

The same could be applied to all of those other things, too. I don't see why you couldn't enjoy Mahler on cocaine. A lot of people smoke pot and specifically listen to music they enjoy, and it just adds to the experience.

[Scarpia]

The same could be applied to all of those other things, too. I don't see why you couldn't enjoy Mahler on cocaine. A lot of people smoke pot and specifically listen to music they enjoy, and it just adds to the experience.

Are you a cocaine user?   I have a cousin whose husband was a small business owner and loving father.  Then he started using cocaine.  Now they're divorced, his children have no father, his business is gone and he's presumably in a gutter somewhere.   His former wife does not know where he is, or whether he is alive, for that matter.  Another cousin also started using cocaine.  Her husband had to take care of the daughter alone because she was in the state prison.  When she was released he had to lock her out of the house to protect the kids, so she lived on the street.  I think it is likely she was trading sex for drugs (a plus for the porn industry, you will explain to me).  But hey, maybe you should get some because the Mahler will sound better on crack.   

[Philoctetes]

Are you a cocaine user?   I have a cousin whose husband was a small business owner and loving father.  Then he started using cocaine.  Now they're divorced, his children have no father, his business is gone and he's presumably in a gutter somewhere.   His former wife does not know where he is, or whether he is alive, for that matter.  Another cousin also started using cocaine.  Her husband had to take care of the daughter alone because she was in the state prison.  When she was released he had to lock her out of the house to protect the kids, so she lived on the street.  I think it is likely she was trading sex for drugs (a plus for the porn industry, you will explain to me).  But hey, maybe you should get some because the Mahler will sound better on crack.   

Worked for Oldman in Leon.

[greg]

I didn't say using cocaine is a good idea. I just meant that drugs don't completely desensitize you to other pleasurable experiences (so others say). I've never tried them, though, for the million obvious reasons not to.

[Bulldog]

The world isn't black and white. Not everyone can have a "normal" life. A crippled person can never get love from a healthy normal woman.

Of course he can.  I personally know two married couples who fit that category, and I don't get around all that much.  Love is powerful and can overcome a physical challenge.

[Scarpia]

Of course he can.  I personally know two married couples who fit that category, and I don't get around all that much.  Love is powerful and can overcome a physical challenge.

And a crippled person who used porn and/or drugs as a crutch is certainly less likely to overcome challenges, physical or otherwise.

[kishnevi]

Thanks for responding.
I am not a libertarian since I reject any utopian scheme for the betterment of humanity. Libertarianism (as well as communism) goes against human nature, experience and history. Maybe one can run a village or a small town by libertarian principles, although I doubt it would last long --- but an entire state organized along hardcore libertarian principles never existed and never will, because libertarian ideology is self-defeating.

Not at all.  You're making the mistake of equating "not a good thing to do" with "needs to be prohibited".  And you're not consistent.  For instance, most of your arguments for banning pornography apply with even greater force to adultery.   So by your logic, society should be actively criminalizing adultery.  Have an affair, go to jail.

The basic libertarian position is this--to allow the possibility of maximum success in an individual's life, one must allow them the possibility of maximum failure.  IOW, everyone has the right to screw up their life.  But they have no right to make the public at large heal them or help them recover.  (Which means that the "health costs" you mention would not be charged to taxpayers.  That's really just the province of charity.  If you feel drug addicts should be helped to recover, you're free to contribute to the cause.)

Prostitution is highly harmful to many other people than the two involved. Their families, for start, where the man's wife, besides being exposed to higher STD risks will most likely suffer psychological traumas upon finding his husband's proclivities; then the taxpayers who must pay for their STD or psychological healthcare (IOW, a completely innocent third-party must pay for the irresponsibility of another party); finally, the society at large which will witness rampant broken families and higher costs for healthcare.


The same goes for pornography, with its accompanying chain of broken families, psychological traumas, decreased work productivity, increased addiction treatment costs, all harmful for the society at large. The same goes for drugs, which adds to the above increased criminality and violence.

See above.   But most importantly, the mere fact that bad consequences result is not enough of a reason for government to ban it.

There is something called "the law of unintended consequences" but libertarians are too blinded by their ideology to see anywhere beyond their narrow view of man and society.
Human experience and history --- again, things that libertarians have no use for --- show extremely clear that each and any government under the sun that was even moderately succesful had to promote and protect some code of moral standards and did so by discouraging or punishing its violation.

Libertarianism is very much aware of human history and experience, which shows us that the less government  tried to enforce morality, the more prosperous the community became.  The only part of morality that government needs to concern itself with is the parts that say stuff like "do not steal" and "do not attack others".

History in fact teaches the very opposite of what you are saying.

So a policeman has no legitimate right to stop two or more people engaged in public sexual intercourse? The judge has no legitimate right to fine or jail those people?

No one is harmed by that public sex act, so policeman and judge have no right to interfere.  The mere fact that you believe it indecent is not grounds for forbidding it, even if 99 percent of humanity agrees with you.

The same policeman has no right to stop people who throw garbage in the street?

No, unless there's a safety issue involved (debris on the street leading to car accidents, for instance)  But the neighbors, because he's harming their property values, have the right to sue the garbage thrower, obtain an injunction prohibiting him from doing so (or an already existing homeonwer association contract forbidding such things), and having the policeman enforce that injunction or contract.

The classification board has no right to label a movie as X or R and prevent its unrestricted broadcast?

It should be obvious that they don't have any such right, unless the producers/distributors of the movie have contracted to submit to such a classification board in advance, or a theater owner will only show films approved by such a board--but that is simply a matter of private businesses contracting among each other, and has nothing to do with public morals.

The mayorship of a city has no legitimate right to shut down any pub that by the constant noise and rude behavior of the customers is a nuisance to the neighborhood?

The mayor has no such rights, but the neighbors have the right to sue the pub owner into oblivion because of the nuisance he created for them.  The pub owner has the absolute right to do what he wants, or permit what he wants, on his own property, unless there's actual harm to the neighbors;  and it's up to the neighbors to stop him if the nuisance does harm them.  After all, some of them might like having a popular bar within walking distance of their homes;  no need to worry about drunk driving charges.

[Saul]