Art and Christian faith

[knight66]

I am confused as to just what this thread is about.

Mike

No change there folks.

Mike

[AndyD.]

He is into them Andy.  I think he's written two tomes of analysis on them. 

Boy, I'm really missing something.

It's weird, in the past few years, I listen much more rarely to Haydn's SQs, and I gave up on Mozart's before that.

From a broader, chamber and orchestra perspective, ever since I started to more fully absorb the Beethoven late SQs, Wagner, Mahler, Bartok, Richard Strauss, Schoenberg, etc. I find the whole rococo thing to often be really repetitive and boring. I include the early LvB String Quartets (in fact, most of his early work as a rule) in that category.

So Gurn, I've changed some of my perspective on the Haydn SQs, though I'll still reach for opps. 20-77 any day over Mozart's.

I'm awaiting the lynch mob.

No change there folks.

Mike

I wonder whether the original topic poster knew, or remembers.

[Gurn Blanston]

Boy, I'm really missing something.

It's weird, in the past few years, I listen much more rarely to Haydn's SQs, and I gave up on Mozart's before that. Since I started to more fully absorb the Beethoven late SQs, Wagner, Mahler, Bartok, Richard Strauss, Schoenberg, etc. I find the whole rococo thing to often be really repetitive and boring. I include the early LvB String Quartets (in fact, most of his early work as a rule) in that category. So Gurn, I've changed some of my perspective on the Haydn SQs, though I'll still reach for opps. 20-77 any day over Mozart's.

I'm awaiting the lynch mob.


I wonder whether the original topic poster knew, or remembers.

Deep in his heart, Snips likes more radical stuff than Haydn has on offer. I'll give him this; it isn't because he didn't give them a chance and work at it. But the mystery of why Haydn didn't use minor keys the way the Romantics used them was all he could handle, I'm afraid. Some people are born Classicists, others achieve it, still others become Romantics...

As long as you continue to view it as changed perspective (as opposed to "growth"), I am not the slightest bit bitter about people who move on to something different in style. As long as they don't deny the roots.

[AndyD.]

Well, obviously Haydn was an astounding composer, the most innovative and in my opinion best of the mid to late 18th century (I await the hate). I imagine Beethoven was massively intimidated by opps. 76 and 77 going into the 19th century.

You know, I have always had the opinion that Mozart and Haydn were urged to keep things major key and somewhat light, that the Emperors and Princes wanted everybody happy. I think there was good reason for them to write so much charming, happy music, and part of it had to do with the politics of the time.

Of course, that could be said for music in any era .

[Josquin des Prez]

You know, I have always had the opinion that Mozart and Haydn were urged to keep things major key and somewhat light, that the Emperors and Princes wanted everybody happy. I think there was good reason for them to write so much charming, happy music, and part of it had to do with the politics of the time.

It was the spirit of the age more then actual coercion.

[AndyD.]

It was the spirit of the age more then actual coercion.

I think you're right.

[abidoful]

The Devil is not the only one who uses the Interenet, so does God---a great deal!

If you're not a Believer, i guess it's impossible to understand what this thread is about (it has been DIFFICULT even for Believers  )

Please, answer only if this touches you personally--if you are believ in Jesus Christ and have struggled with these same problems

[AndyD.]

The Devil is not the only one who uses the Interenet, so does God---a great deal!

If you're not a Believer, i guess it's impossible to understand what this thread is about (it has been DIFFICULT even for Believers  )

Please, answer only if this touches you personally--if you are believ in Jesus Christ and have struggled with these same problems

[anasazi]

I think you may be missing a semantic point.  You are right the Chistianity has benefited. But he is also right, the idea that our culture could "enrich God" is absurd.

But wasn't that nearly or precisely what J.S. Bach thought?  Absurd or no, he signed his compositions all to the glory of God. 

I'm just wondering'.  I have little at stake, not a regular church-goer or anything like that.

[snyprrr]

Which is the correct healing frequency, 729 Hz, or 528 Hz? Anyone? And how long is this tone held, for healing?

...ahh, the Secrets of Music...


The more I think about it, the more I wonder what transpired leading up to Bach's death: what thoughts, what Ingmar Berman-type conversation he might have been having with God, or the devil, or, well, think about it. Was it mere pride? Is there a code in the name?

CUE: Swelling, Dramatic Music


BACH

[snyprrr]

No change there folks.

Mike

See, the crux of the entire matter can be likened to the interesting example of the heavy metal band Black Sabbath, who, in spite of their, eh, reputation,...

May I present the song War Pigs as a Born Again Believers' Anthem, or no? Is it a Christian song? Yes? No?



As for Haydn, I don't know what they're talking about.

[snyprrr]

Any Believers/Christians here? Do you guys have any troubles with western culture and classical music? Darwin - Nietzsche - Freud - Steiner? How do you cope with anti-Christian art? Do you just stay away from it or what?I like Messiaen who was a Catholic and Wagner's Parsifal which shows God's Power =)

Please, answer only if this touches you personally--if you are believ in Jesus Christ and have struggled with these same problems

Honestly, I hope you're still there.

Question: Is Christian Art supposed to be Allegorical in Nature? Anyone?

[abidoful]

Ok guys, I think that's enough