Male-Female friendships

[Cato]

Snyprrr:  STE-E-E-E-ELLLLLLLLLAAA!!!!! (on knees, hands grasping the heavens)

                                                                                     

                                                                                            

                                                                                       

                                                                                        

[ibanezmonster]

I will still maintain that NONE of you know a hottie who likes 'Xenakis' (all encompassing term for the 'hard' stuff). And... I mean hottie!

Maybe only a couple of performers who have performed his music? (assuming they even like it)
Finding people that actually like classical music is hard enough. There aren't many. Let alone a female liking it that is even somewhat attractive. And not married, etc.

I don't know what fantasyland Sarge lives in- or maybe he met women by going to the grocery store and asking if they like classical music. Maybe after each two hundred tries, he finds one? If so, we need to congratulate him for his hard work. That's some perseverance there!

[Brian]

I don't know what fantasyland Sarge lives in- or maybe he met women by going to the grocery store and asking if they like classical music. Maybe after each two hundred tries, he finds one? If so, we need to congratulate him for his hard work. That's some perseverance there!

I met at least a dozen very attractive women who love music by going to a university with a music school.
Unfortunately, I never dated any of them.
And maybe your friends would know someone? I've recently taken up a pen-pal-ship with the rather attractive daughter of a Brahmsian musicologist because a mutual friend of ours thought we would get along - and we do.
If worse comes to worst, you could always do what Sarge did: move to Europe!

[ibanezmonster]

I met at least a dozen very attractive women who love music by going to a university with a music school.

That's the only way I can think of- that, or join an orchestra.

If worse comes to worst, you could always do what Sarge did: move to Europe!

How did you even get a job in England? Internet?

[Brian]

How did you even get a job in England? Internet?

I'm a grad student. I don't have a job. 

[ibanezmonster]

I'm a grad student. I don't have a job. 

Dang!...
you get to go to school in another country while not having a job?
I have to say, I'm pretty jealous.   

[snyprrr]

You mean I spent all day feeling bad for the things I wrote here,... and you don't care??? !!! I don't know whether to be depressed or ecstatic.

This Thread makes me feel like the immature cheese in that new Cheezit commercial.

I'm sorry to all those with whom I had more fun than I should.

You may now all eat Greek yogurt.

[eyeresist]

S'okay, I just assume you're drunk all the time.

[snyprrr]

S'okay, I just assume you're drunk all the time.

No, but here is my peace offering:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNB3vE_c85g

Don't ask.

[snyprrr]

It's not that hard. I'm currently dating a hottie who enjoys Xenakis.

ok ,... I'll bite. You live in NYC, no? Who, What, Where,... details man, details!!

You know I hate you.

[eyeresist]

It's not that hard. I'm currently dating a hottie who enjoys Xenakis.

This shall not stand! Our operatives are on their way....

[snyprrr]

You and JdP have a lot in common, I see.

I'm ecumenical, he's not.


It all started in 6th grade, when I finally got the nerve up to ask Missy to the Halloween House. I don't remember what she said, but 'no' was the result. I saw her there the next day (had she said she wouldn't go?,... I don't remember), ah! my first rejection, and it's been... real... ever since. My hippie astrology friend says it's my sign (please don't ask) and there is NOTHING I can do about it. I'm not saying I believe that stuff, but, in my case, it appears to be so.

Did I write THAAAT??? Hmmm,... you see, we've been having an elf problem here lately...

[Cato]

The Clash: as they say in Spanish, El Sucko Profundo, Dude!

[ibanezmonster]

ok ,... I'll bite. You live in NYC, no? Who, What, Where,... details man, details!!

You know I hate you.

Has to be NYC, or a similar big city (Xenakis is performed all the time in NYC). And he goes to college.
People have to realize that yes, it is hard, if you don't live in the right place. Not just hard, but just about near impossible.

[Sergeant Rock]

I don't know what fantasyland Sarge lives in....

Just the real world. Maybe I was always in the right place at the right time. I don't know. But with 4 billion women in this world surely there are at least three or four who would talk to you about Xenakis   You just have to find them. I did.

I grew up in a small town (pop.1800). Not a lot of choice but there were about 70 girls in the high school band, more than enough to find someone both attractive and interested in music. That's where my first serious relationships originated. At university I took music theory classes and noticed, and eventually pursued (and won) a cute horn major (who'd go on to play with several east coast orchestras and chamber ensembles). During the summer after HS graduation, I worked at a drive-in restaurant. I once saw the world's most beautiful woman; talked to her briefly (funny story). A year later, in a novelistic coincidence, I met her again while on a blind date with her best friend. She was not only beautiful (I still consider her the most beautiful woman I've ever known), she was extremely intelligent, kind, and loved music. We hooked up three months later (our second date was a Cleveland Orchestra concert at Blossom). In Korea, in a farming village just across the river from the DMZ, I met a woman in a tailor shop. We were together six months. She loved western classical music. Her mother gave us tickets to Szell's penultimate concert in Seoul. My first wife played piano and was a Beethoven fanatic. We'd grown up on the same street. When our marriage ended with a Götterdämmerung-like flourish in a town along the Rhine River in 1975, my best friend at the time (a woman) threw a party in order for me to meet her landlord's daughter (the future Mrs. Rock). She knew we had classical music in common. We didn't hit it off exactly at the party but that didn't deter me. I showed up at her door two days later with a Berlioz record in hand (not flowers or candy  ) and invited her to a Mahler 2 concert. 18 months later we married.

So, I found these women in my hometown, at a university in the middle of Appalachia, a village lacking indoor plumbing in Korea, a drive-in restaurant in Barberton Ohio, and a town on the Rhine. Didn't need London, Paris or New York.

People have to realize that yes, it is hard, if you don't live in the right place. Not just hard, but just about near impossible.

I'm sorry if I came across as harsh. I'm not unsympathetic to you and Snyprrr's predicament. I realize it is difficult. But Snyprrr's misogyny doesn't help his cause any. And really, you both come across as essentially clueless about women.

Sarge

[Sergeant Rock]

I'm sorry if I came across as harsh. I'm not unsympathetic to you and Snyprrr's predicament. I realize it is difficult. But Snyprrr's misogyny doesn't help his cause any. And really, you both come across as essentially clueless about women.

Damn, I'm still being harsh (if truthful). Believe me, I don't feel superior. I was clueless too for a quarter century. It's true I didn't have trouble finding attractive women who were initially attracted to me--but I had lots of trouble keeping them. Every relationship I had from age six ( ) to twenty-six failed. In my youth, for much of the time, I was just as miserable as you guys. Makes great fodder for my poetry though 

Sarge

[Sergeant Rock]

I will still maintain that NONE of you know a hottie who likes 'Xenakis' (all encompassing term for the 'hard' stuff). And... I mean hottie!

Do you know anyone, male or female, hot or not, in your real life (not your inter-life)...anyone who actually likes Xenakis? Come on, be truthful, Snyprrr....I bet none of your male friends like Xenakis either. You can't blame this on gender theory. Blame the composer 

Mrs. Rock is now past her hottie stage (we grow old...we grow old. We shall wear the bottoms of our trousers rolled) but she actually does like parts of Oresteia...and other hard stuff 
 

Sarge

[snyprrr]

I'd say the civility we're all showing in the midst of a 'Hot' Topic is commendable,... haha, I get just as upset over 'electronic' eruptions as I do with real, 'live' confrontations. I could never watch 'Crossfire' and other 'arguing' shows because I had such an aversion to conflict. How am I doing on that?


btw- I have come to the conclusion that I don't want to share 'Xenakis' with ANYONE!! I want my 'scary' music all to myself, so I don't have to 'get looks', or anything. I remember in the '90s, when I worked at the classical store, the ONE TIME someone came in and bought some Avant (the Ligeti/Sony had just come out), and so, I thought I had finally found someone to talk to. Well, this guy, he looked a bit like the guy on the 'Rachel Maddow Show' who looks like her brother,... well, this guy looked all snooty, and, it turned out, he waaas all snooty in that uppity 'gay' way (hey, it was downtown B-More, nuff said), to the point that I became disheartened and figured that ANYONE (but me of course ) who liked this music was automatically an asshole. I mean, how couldn't you be, having to 'understand' all this un-understandable noise, and not being able to relate to 'normies' because you have so much esoteric info, bla bla...

And, since EVERYONE I've ever played Xenakis for has given me the SAME response, I have concluded that, what is for me, IS for ME. MY quiet time. MY happy place. NO ONE ALLOWED!! I will tolerate no criticism,... out of the room with you,...

If I collected squirrel turds, it would be the same way!

So, the whole 'can't find a girl who likes Xenakis' thing is really a bit of a red herring for me. Haha,... I'm always looking at the pics of Avant groups to see if there are any hotties in the Ensemble Intercontemporain, or what have you, haha,... sure, there's a few, but then I wonder what their politics are like, and I become disheartened again.

[Sergeant Rock]

I am bothered by the focus on physical beauty (which is subjective anyway).  I am much more interested in what is inside a person than their outsides.

My definition of attractive includes what's on the inside (personality, intelligence, intellectual interests) of course! I've known hundreds of beautiful women but only a handful have been attractive.

Sarge

[snyprrr]

Snyprrr's misogyny doesn't help his cause

'Yes dear'

See, I know!


But Rock, maybe you haven't seen what's been happening out there lately. My experience is that if a women even gets the slightest whiff of a hint that you might disagree with her on any aspect of ANY Topic, she's done with you. This 'Girls Rock/Rule' attitude is the male-ogyny (misandros...gy??),... ok, so what you're telling me is that I have to go Amish?

All the 'other' group has to do is ACCUSE you of being... antisemite, woman hater, racist,... or whatever, and you,  ARE DONE. Today, unfounded accusations alone is all it takes (see the 'disagree with her on any topic' rule). Whatever you do, don't EVER use the word 'old', haha. Let me tell you, I HAVE found the 'last' word, oy!! Yea, don't say 'old' (unless of course you are breaking up, haha).

Sure, I hear they burn their wives... sooomewhere... but it's not within my purview. At the grocery store, it is the women leading the men around by the nose, not the other way around. I don't know,... the men DO look pretty clueless and stupid, though. Maybe they deserve it? Hey, do I 'hate' women? Or is it that I don't like the mores that the women in my field of observation have adopted? Hey, if women want this 'equality' thing,... I see they've risen to the equal level of acting like just as big of assholes as the Good Ole Boy network that they're dismantling. Is Casey Anthony a fluke, or the rule? Hey, guys have been assholes the WHOLE TIME, but I just don't think it's necessary to give the women a shot at this as 'payback'.

Oh, this Post just isn't going well. Look, I love women, just not Christiane Amanpour, ok?


Oh, I fear that this Topic... I'll put it this way:

"Mandrake, I don't avoid women, but, I DO deny them my essence."