Quiz: Mystery scores

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

My first idea was Birtwistle...

[lukeottevanger]

Seriously???

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

Sorry - did I shock you? 

No, I don't know...

[karlhenning]

By the way, did anyone else think in the back of their minds that the WTO always had to come down in some kind of disaster?

What does WTO stand for?  I take it you mean the WTC (World Trade Center).

No, I didn't think any such thing in the back of my mind.  You might benefit, Sean, from reflecting why you always desired such a thing.

[karlhenning]

Exactly; so is that what Sean is talking about?

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

Exactly; so is that what Sean is talking about?

(You are reacting to this, aren't you, Karl:

http://www.wto.org/

I removed it because I thought it was too obvious.)

Yes, Sean, your Freudian slip must betoken something... !

[lukeottevanger]

I prepared these last night, so I might as well post them. The more the merrier! (Or perhaps not!)

Some are very hard, and I haven't always left titles in this time, but as I always try to I've chosen ones that look intruiging/different/complex/amusing, or whose composers turn out to be interesting. If they don't succeed, forgive me - it's getting a little harder to find such things now I'm getting close to 250! For me the point is less the finding than the music itself - an excuse to present all sorts of weird and wonderful items....

LO 227, 228, 229, 230

[lukeottevanger]

LO 231, 232, 233, 234

[lukeottevanger]

LO 235, 236, 237, 238

[lukeottevanger]

LO 239

[lukeottevanger]

The current list as it stands, and the links to the old one

part one
and
part two

current list

Set by Luke
165 - Schubert - Symphony no 4 - (Sforzando)
166 - Brahms - Serenade no 1 - (Sforzando)
167 - Bartok - Miraculous Mandarin (complete ballet) - (Sforzando)
168 - Janacek - Otce Nas - (revealed by Luke)
169 - Mozart - Sinfonia Concertante (wind solos) - (Sforzando)
170 - Brahms - Neue Liebeslieder waltzes - (Sforzando)
171 - Liszt - Totentanz - (Johan)
172 - Schumann - Mein Wagen rollet langsam- (Sforzando)
173 - Wagner - Reinhold - (Mark)
174 - Stravinsky - Mass - (Mark)
175 - Sibelius - Tapiola - (Mark)
176 - Debussy- Danse sacre et danse profane - (Sforzando)
177 - Berlioz - Roman Carnival - (Johan)
178 - Debussy - Pelleas et Melisande - (Sforzando)
179 - Rossini - La Cenerentola overture - (Sforzando)
180 - Scriabin - Prometheus - (Mark)
181 - Franck - Symphonic Variations - (Sforzando)
182 - Gershwin - Piano Concerto - (Mark)
183 - Busoni - Piano Concerto - (Robert)
184 - Honegger - Pacific 231 - (Greg)
185 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 1 - (revealed by Luke)
186 - Ligeti - String Quartet no 2 - (matticus)
187 - Holst - The Perfect Fool - (Johan)
188 - Tippett - Fantasia Concertante/Corelli - (Johan)
189 - Elgar - Cockaigne - (Johan)
190 - Tippett - Triple Concerto - (Mark)
191 - Ireland - Piano concerto - (Guido)
192 - Tippett - Symphony no 1 - (Mark)
193 - Vaughan Williams - The Lake in the Mountains - (revealed by Luke)
194 - Tippett - A Child of Our Time - (Robert)
195 - Rubbra - Prelude/Fugue theme of Cyril Scott - (Maciek)
196 - Berners - Le poisson d'or - (Guido)
197 - Tippett - The Midsummer Marriage - (Mark)
198 - Howells - Hymnus Paradisi - (Guido)
199 - Lutoslawski - Two Etudes - (Maciek)
200 - Bloch - Schelomo - (Guido)
201 - Thelonius Monk improvisation - (revealed by Luke)
202 - Muperdinck - Hansel und Gretel - (Sforzando)
203 - Hoddinott - The sun, the great luminary of the universe - (revealed by Luke)
204 - Zimmermann - Stille und umkehr - (revealed by Luke)
205 - Ligeti - Cello Concerto - (Guido)
206 - Glass - Vessels (from Koyaanisqatsi) - (revealed by Luke)
207 - Berio - Folksongs - (Symphonien)
208 - Part - Rottkappchen und der Wolf - (Sforzando)
209 - Ligeti - Lontano - (Greg)
210 - Ligeti - Artikulation - (Greg)
211 - Bussotti - La Passion Selon Sade - (Symphonien)
212 - ? -
213 - Grainger - Ramble on Love - (Sforzando)
214 - Penderecki - De Natura Sonoris I - (Mark/Greg)
215 - ? -
216 - Dallapiccola - Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera - (Symphonien)
217 - ? -
218 - Ives - Improvisation (transcr. Dapogny) - (Mark)
219 - ? -
220 - Messiaen - Mode de valeurs... - (Guido)
221 - Messiaen - ? - (Sforzando)
222 - ?
223 - Crumb - Agnus Dei (Makrokosmos II) - (Symphonien)
224 - ? -
225 - Koechlin - Les Heures Persanes - (Sforzando)
226 - Mussorgsky - Sunless - (Sforzando)
226 - ? -
227 - Schoenberg - Songs op 22 - (Mark)
228 - ? -
229 - ? -
230 - Gould - So you want to write a fugue - (Johan)
231 - Schoeck - Elegie - (Johan)
232 - ? -
233 - ? -
234 - ? -
235 - Rachmaninov - Piano Trio 1 - (Guido)
236 - Britten - Michelangelo Sonnets - (Sforzando)
237 - Wyschnegradsky - Etude sur le carré magique sonore - (Johan)
238 - ? -
239 - ? -
240 - ? -
241 - Francaix - La Promenade d'un musicologue éclectique - (Johan)
242 - ? -
243 - ? -
244 - ? -
245 - ? -
246 - Beethoven - Equali - (Mark)
247 - ? -
248 - ? -
249 - ? -
250 - Stockhausen - Gruppen - (Sforzando)

Set by Greg
31 - Mahler - Ressurection symphony - (Johan)

Set by Symphonien
1 - Lachenmann - Pression - (Luke)
2 - Stravinsky - Les noces - (Johan)
3 - Schoenberg - A Survivor from Warsaw - (Mark)
4 - Murail - Désintégrations - (Luke)
5 - Schnittke - Prelude in memoriam Dmitiri Shostakovich - (Mark)
6  - Sciarrino - Sei quartetti brevi - (Luke)
7 - Stockhausen - Es (aus der sieben Tage) - (Mark)
8 - Nietzsche - There flows a brook - (Guido)

Set by Guido
21 - Beethoven - Triple Concerto - (Luke)

Set by Sforzando
1 - Schubert - Reliquie Sonata - (Luke)
2 - Feldman - Last pieces - (Guido)
3 - Griffes - The White Peacock - (Luke)
4 - Ferneyhough - Superscriptio - (Mark)
5 - Ibert - Le petit ane blanc - (Guido)
6 - Ruggles - Sun-Treader - (Mark)
7 - Verdi - original version of Liber Scriptus, Manzoni Requiem - (Luke)
8 - Berwald - Symphony no 3 - (Mark)
9 - Rimsky-Korsakov - Le coq d'or - (Mark)

[Mark G. Simon]

LO 227 is the first of Schoenberg's op. 22 songs (reduced score), before the voice enters.

[lukeottevanger]

Yes!  The reduced score is incredible, actually - this is how Schoenberg composed it i.e. as his final version. It's a kind of short score, but with every single detail of the implied full score included so that a full score could be constructed from it. So, an[other] experiment, one that didn't really come off in the end, as the result, supposed to simplify things, actually makes for complex reading. As a result, this score remains a unique example AFAIK.

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

# 230 - Wagner, Meistersinger (in an English translation!)

[lukeottevanger]

Well, you spotted the quotation, anyway! Fantastic words here (and elsewhere in this piece): 'Never be clever for the sake of showing off....' the music says, as it proceeds to get very clever indeed. It's a piece that is self-illustrating - the words allude to what the music is doing at every point.

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

# 231 - Othmar Schoeck, Der Buchenwald ist herbstlich schon gerötet (poem by Lenau)

[lukeottevanger]

That's sort of right, but I'm not sure if its counts!  Which song-cycle?

In the meantime, because I can't resist it, here is the song (low bitrate again), in the voice+ensemble version - one of my very favourite things in music, and I'm not exaggerating. This is simply magical, the first Schoeck I ever heard - it grabbed me right away and led to quite an obsessive Schoeck-collecting habit, though for all the extreme beauty of his output nothing has ever hit me with quite the power of this song and the rest of the exquisite cycle from which it is drawn. The poem compares the forest in autumn to a sick man in his bed, and Schoeck chooses to set this as a series of very slow, shallow rising-and-fallings, the orchestra and voice essentially repeating the same little swelling and dying phrase with small variations, over and over, like an invalid's failing breath. Well, just listen to it....

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

That's sort of right, but I'm not sure if its counts!  Which song-cycle?

In the meantime, because I can't resist it, here is the song (low bitrate again), in the voice+ensemble version - one of my very favourite things in music, and I'm not exaggerating. This is simply magical, the first Schoeck I ever heard - it grabbed me right away and led to quite an obsessive Schoeck-collecting habit, though for all the extreme beauty of his output nothing has ever hit me with quite the power of this song and the rest of the exquisite cycle from which it is drawn. The poem compares the forest in autumn to a sick man in his bed, and Schoeck chooses to set this as a series of very slow, shallow rising-and-fallings, the orchestra and voice essentially repeating the same little swelling and dying phrase with small variations, over and over, like an invalid's failing breath. Well, just listen to it....

Elegie, op. 36 (1922) 

I'll listen...

[lukeottevanger]

Good.

And, Good.

edit - btw the song is called Herbstgefuhl 2 in the Elegie.

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

Yes, a wonderfully hypnotic song, Luke - as you say, it remains rooted to the spot and at the same time things glide evermore downward, like a slowly falling leaf. 'Autumnal' indeed!

I really must listen to his 'Penthesilea' (I love Kleist's play, so seeing what Schoeck does with it is a fascinating prospect).