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Re: New Releases
« Reply #8580 on: April 14, 2019, 01:51:35 AM »
The best evidence that the composer didn't intend it to happen is in the score - movements 3 & 4 are played without a break, something that can't happen with 'furry voiced recitations' (© The Gramophone) interrupting. The world premiere recording (Barbirolli/Halle) didn't have them, it was a 1960s marketing gimmick to have a theatrical knight solemnly intoning.

Yes, I know a lot of people enjoy them, I don't.

I posted my earlier message before I spotted your one. I don't really have such a strong view on it. I've seen it argued that VW was present at the recording of Sinfonia Antartica (Boult, Decca) so, presumably, must have been aware that it would feature the narration and, as far as I know, did not object to it.
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« Reply #8581 on: April 14, 2019, 01:59:44 AM »
I posted my earlier message before I spotted your one. I don't really have such a strong view on it. I've seen it argued that VW was present at the recording of Sinfonia Antartica (Boult, Decca) so, presumably, must have been aware that it would feature the narration and, as far as I know, did not object to it.

I think between us we may have flogged this to death .. but, as I said before was the narration recorded at the same time? Did RVW even know it was to be used. Perhaps he was just glad the work was being recorded. Perhaps he didn't care either way. The score still has the instruction segue.

I don't like it but if the performance is a good one I could buy it as a download and, if the narration has separate tracks, edit out the verbal chaff. I have the rest of the Manze cycle.

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Re: New Releases
« Reply #8582 on: April 14, 2019, 02:06:50 AM »
I think between us we may have flogged this to death .. but, as I said before was the narration recorded at the same time? Did RVW even know it was to be used. Perhaps he was just glad the work was being recorded. Perhaps he didn't care either way. The score still has the instruction segue.

I don't like it but if the performance is a good one I could buy it as a download and, if the narration has separate tracks, edit out the verbal chaff. I have the rest of the Manze cycle.

Yes, I take your point. I'd decided not to buy any more of the Manze cycle as I did not think that the previous releases were anything special (I don't have 'A Sea Symphony'). However as soon as I saw this forthcoming release my nerve went and I pre-ordered it immediately. ::)
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« Reply #8583 on: April 14, 2019, 02:14:11 AM »
Yes, I take your point. I'd decided not to buy any more of the Manze cycle as I did not think that the previous releases were anything special (I don't have 'A Sea Symphony'). However as soon as I saw this forthcoming release my nerve went and I pre-ordered it immediately. ::)

I checked it out on Presto but no tracking info is available yet so I will hold fire.

Interestingly (or possibly not), for his EMI remake (1970) Boult omitted the spoken bits. The LP sleeve note says 'Each movement has a literary superscription, for the listener to read silently, not to be spoken aloud as part of the work'
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« Reply #8584 on: April 14, 2019, 02:52:48 AM »
I checked it out on Presto but no tracking info is available yet so I will hold fire.

Interestingly (or possibly not), for his EMI remake (1970) Boult omitted the spoken bits. The LP sleeve note says 'Each movement has a literary superscription, for the listener to read silently, not to be spoken aloud as part of the work'

Yes, that's right and I'm sure that VW didn't intend them to be spoken, just to be read by the listener. I pre-ordered the CD from Amazon. It is not released until June so I felt less guilty about ordering it and can always cancel it if I change my mind before then.
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Re: New Releases
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #8586 on: April 14, 2019, 05:33:23 AM »
Probably won't be able to resist this one! Great cover art. Thanks John.
Interesting that it includes the narration on Sinfonia Antartica. That is unusual these days although, personally, I have no problem with it.

I’m not a fan of narration in musical works in general, but, hopefully, there will be a way to edit out those spoken parts. It’s highly unlikely I’ll buy this recording, though, as I’ve stated in the RVW thread that I haven’t been impressed with Manze’s traversal of these symphonies. Brabbins, on the other hand, I’m really looking forward to hearing the next recording.
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #8587 on: April 14, 2019, 10:05:23 AM »




11 CDs with works by Bach. How is this possible? Did he record that much?

What does the box contain, would you mind to provide a link?
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« Reply #8588 on: April 14, 2019, 11:00:47 AM »
11 CDs with works by Bach. How is this possible? Did he record that much?

What does the box contain, would you mind to provide a link?

Here

https://wmg.jp/scott-ross/discography/20847/

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1 " 1) Partita No. 1 in B-flat major BWV. 825
2) Partita 5th-make major BWV. 829
3) Partita No. 6 in E minor BWV
  . 830 [Recording] 1988 Mon, Temple de Sommieres, Gard, France CDCD
2》
1) Partita No.2 in C minor BWV. 826
2) Partita third in A minor BWV.827
3) Partita fourth in D major BWV. 828
  [Recording] 1988 April, Temple de Sommieres, Gard, France CDCD3

1) Italian Concerto in F major, BWV. 971
2) Halftonal fantasy and fugue in
B minor. BWV. 903 3) French-style overture B minor, BWV. 831
4) Four Duet BWV
  . 802-805 [Recording] June 1988, Chateau d'Assas, Herault, France (1-3),
      December 1988, Salle Adyar, Paris (4), CDCD4

1) Fantasy major G major BWV .572
2) Corral Partita "Blessing Jesus" BWV. 768
3) Corral "I leave God from God" BWV. 658
4) Toccata and Fuga H major BWV. 566
5) "God eternal Father" BWV. 669
6) "Christ the Comfort of All the World" BWV. 670
7) "God the Holy Spirit" BWV. 671
8 ) "glory only to God that you are in the Most High place" BWV.675
9) Fugetta BWV.677 by the "glory only to God that you are in the Most High place"
10) "Korezo holy ten Commandments" * BWV.678
11) Hugger according to the Sacred Ten Commandments BWV. 679
12) Hugger according to the One and Only God We believe BWV. 681
13) Heavenly Father ours BWV. 682 *
14) We Christ the Lord, Kitari to the Jordan River "BWV.685 * of the
  [Record] April 1979, Orgue Wilhelm de l'Eglise Notre- Dame du Saint-Rosaire du village de Beaupre (1) / 1979 December, Orgue Casavant de l'Eglise Paroissiale de Saint-Pascal-de-Kamouraska (2-4) / July 1977, Orgue Wilhelm de l'Eglise Saint-Bonaventure de Rosemont de Montreal (5-14),
CDCD5》
1) い と とAt a high place Masu Glory only to God. "* BWV.711
2)" our Savior Jesus Christ "BWV.666 *
3) “Our Savior Jesus Christ” BWV. 665 *
4) Prelude and Fugue in G minor BWV. 535
5) Trio Sonata No. 4 in E major BWV. 528
6) Toccata and Fuga in G minor “Doria” BWV 538
  [Recording] February 1982, Orgue Wolff de l'Eglise abbatiale d'Oka (1-4) / March 1985, Orgue Beckerath de l 'Eglise Immaculee-Conception de Montreal (5-6),
《 CD6
ゴ ル Gortberg Variations BWV. 988 (All Songs)
   [Recording] Tabaret Hall, University of Ottawa, Canada 4CD7
CD CD7
ゴ ル Gortberg Variations BWV. 988 (All Songs)
   [Recording] [Recording] January 1988, Salle Blanqui, Paris, France
"CD8-10"
Well-tempered Clavier, Volume 1, Volume 2 BWV.846-893 (songs)
   [Record] in April 1980, Radio-Canada, Studio 12, Montreal, Canada
"CD11"
1 ) Toccata D major BWV. 912
2) English Suite 3rd major D BWV. 808 *
3) Prelude, Fugue and Allegro in C major BWV. 998
4) Toccata ho minor BWV. 914 *
5) Toccata in G major, 916 * BWV
6) 2 units by the Brandenburg Concerto No. 6 in B flat major BWV.1051 (Kenneth Gilbert harpsichord for the arrangement version) *
7) harpsichord Concerto No. 5 in F minor * BWV.1056
   [co-star] Yugetto・ Gremy-Scholliac (Cembaloo: 6)
       Christophe Kowan ( conductor) Ensemble Mosaic (7)
   [Record] Festival de Musique Montreux-Vevey, temple St Vincent, Montreux (1) / September 1981, August 1987 Eglise Notre-Dame, Besançon, 34 festival de Musique (2-4) / March 1985, Eglise Notre-Dame-du-Saint-Sacrement de Montreal (5) / July 1984, Festival des Heures musicales du Mont- Saint-Michel-Eglise Notre-Dame de Villedieu-Les-Poeles (6) / January 1987, Concert de France Musique au MIDEM de Cannes, Eglise Notre-Dame de Bon Voyage (7),
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« Reply #8589 on: April 14, 2019, 12:39:15 PM »
I checked it out on Presto but no tracking info is available yet so I will hold fire.

Interestingly (or possibly not), for his EMI remake (1970) Boult omitted the spoken bits. The LP sleeve note says 'Each movement has a literary superscription, for the listener to read silently, not to be spoken aloud as part of the work'

AmazonUK has this track listing
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  1. I. Prelude: Andante Maestoso - Various Performers
  2. II. Scherzo: Moderato - Various Performers
  3. III. Landscape: Lento - Various Performers
  4. IV. Intermezzo: Andante Sostenuto - Various Performers
  5. V. Epilogue: Alla Marcia, Moderato (Non Troppo Allegro) - Various Performers
  6. I. Moderato Maestoso - Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra
  7. II. Andante Sostenuto - Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra
  8. III. Scherzo: Allegro Pesante - Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra
  9. IV. Andante Tranquillo - Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra

Which would imply that there are no separate tracks for the narration.
I am in general in the anti-narration side, but there is the Ninth, and I have all the other issues in this cycle...

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« Reply #8590 on: April 14, 2019, 01:10:54 PM »
It's interesting that Onyx has, in pretty short order, released the complete symphonies of Walton, Elgar, and Vaughan Williams, two of the cycles with Russian conductors and the third with an early music specialist.

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Re: New Releases
« Reply #8591 on: April 14, 2019, 02:48:05 PM »
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« Reply #8592 on: April 15, 2019, 12:14:23 AM »
AmazonUK has this track listing
Which would imply that there are no separate tracks for the narration.
I am in general in the anti-narration side, but there is the Ninth, and I have all the other issues in this cycle...

That kills it for me. I won't be buying it simply to complete the cycle. Some of the other symphonies in the Manze cycle have been borderline purchases and I enjoyed his 'Sea Symphony' more than others posters to this forum seem to have done but I will now call it a day. I suppose it might be possible to download No 9 separately but that is usually an expensive option. I will probably be able to listen to it on Spotify.

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Re: New Releases
« Reply #8593 on: April 15, 2019, 02:46:45 AM »
I’m not a fan of narration in musical works in general, but, hopefully, there will be a way to edit out those spoken parts. It’s highly unlikely I’ll buy this recording, though, as I’ve stated in the RVW thread that I haven’t been impressed with Manze’s traversal of these symphonies. Brabbins, on the other hand, I’m really looking forward to hearing the next recording.

I share your view of Manze v Brabbins here John, although I liked the combination of Sinfonia Antartica and Symphony No.9. The 9th is one of my favourite symphonies and I've been reading about Scott's doomed expedition recently, so I expect that influenced me.
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Re: New Releases
« Reply #8594 on: April 15, 2019, 05:37:01 AM »
I share your view of Manze v Brabbins here John, although I liked the combination of Sinfonia Antartica and Symphony No.9. The 9th is one of my favourite symphonies and I've been reading about Scott's doomed expedition recently, so I expect that influenced me.

Yeah, hopefully Brabbins will do A Pastoral Symphony next.
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« Reply #8595 on: April 16, 2019, 05:28:00 AM »
Far into the future, but BIS is doing the SS Organ Symphony with France's reigning champ organist-composer, Thierry Escaich. Plus the Liege Philharmonic, Jean-Jacques Kantorow, and the other CSS symphonies (guess Escaich didn't have any concertos in his pocket...darn).

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« Reply #8596 on: April 18, 2019, 01:40:22 PM »
I checked it out on Presto but no tracking info is available yet so I will hold fire.

Interestingly (or possibly not), for his EMI remake (1970) Boult omitted the spoken bits. The LP sleeve note says 'Each movement has a literary superscription, for the listener to read silently, not to be spoken aloud as part of the work'

The samples are now up at Presto - the narration precedes each movement but isn't tracked separately

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8606829--vaughan-williams-symphonies-nos-7-sinfonia-antartica-9


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« Reply #8597 on: April 18, 2019, 02:35:08 PM »
The samples are now up at Presto - the narration precedes each movement but isn't tracked separately.

Profoundly stupid, when they could have made them separate tracks that could be skipped.

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« Reply #8598 on: April 19, 2019, 12:03:43 AM »
The samples are now up at Presto - the narration precedes each movement but isn't tracked separately

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8606829--vaughan-williams-symphonies-nos-7-sinfonia-antartica-9

Thanks for providing this link, which is very helpful - for two reasons.

The CD is significantly cheaper at Presto than on Amazon so I have already cancelled the Amazon pre-order.

Also, it's very helpful to hear the extracts. As with the other releases I've heard in this cycle the extract suggest that it is good but nothing special, although this is based on snippets. I was less worried about the narration but it should have been tracked separately. Sinfonia Antartica, from what I could tell, lacked the urgency of Boult's Decca CD for example and the march in the final movement sounded rushed. I did however like the opening of the Intermezzo fourth movement which sounded very beautiful. The opening of the Ninth also IMO lacked urgency and the last movement seemed to open very slowly as if Manze was trying to turn it into the Epilogue from the Sixth Symphony. I may feel differently once I have heard the complete works.
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« Reply #8599 on: April 19, 2019, 01:05:30 AM »
The opening of the Ninth also IMO lacked urgency and the last movement seemed to open very slowly as if Manze was trying to turn it into the Epilogue from the Sixth Symphony. I may feel differently once I have heard the complete works.
Look at the timings! Overall, Manze takes 10 minutes more than Thomson; especially the Finale: Andante tranquillo, is taken extremely slow here, with over 15 minutes. We'll have to wait for the whole thing, but at first hearing, the whole spirit of the symphony is different, here.  :-X
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