Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)

[Rinaldo]

In fact, where is the word "protection" in the sense of a nanny state which the members of the cast of Hamilton were obviously referring to?

Obviously

"Vice President-elect Pence, we welcome you, and we truly thank you for joining us here at 'Hamilton: An American Musical.' We really do. We, sir, we are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir. But we truly hope this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and work on behalf of all of us. All of us. Again, we truly thank you truly for seeing this show, this wonderful American story told by a diverse group of men and women of different colors, creeds and orientations."

[arpeggio]

Obviously

"Vice President-elect Pence, we welcome you, and we truly thank you for joining us here at 'Hamilton: An American Musical.' We really do. We, sir, we are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir. But we truly hope this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and work on behalf of all of us. All of us. Again, we truly thank you truly for seeing this show, this wonderful American story told by a diverse group of men and women of different colors, creeds and orientations."

My sister-in-law was offended by these remarks.

I have lost my patience with the "Trumpsters".  They are all sick puppies   

[Todd]

Can you imagine the conservative uproar if Hillary made a 25 million fraud settlement? Called world leaders over unsecured lines? Or won, while losing the popular vote by 1,5 million?

Sure can.  That doesn't in any way mean that the response from the American left isn't humorous.

Anyway, it ain't even 1/20 yet, and here's the first documented, on official government documents, evidence of some questionable activity.  Let's see if it's impeachable.  I'm thinking not, but surely McConnell or Ryan will see fit to push the appropriate committees to hold hearings.

[Turner]

Trump´s advisor on immigration Kobach greeting him today, unfortunately at the same time unwittingly showing photographers among the press some of the papers with the planning:

[Todd]

Trump goes for Nikki Haley for UN Ambassador.  Two protected class boxes checked with one pick.  Trump does appear to have a very good brain.  Had he selected someone with foreign policy experience, it would have been better yet.  (Condi Rice, maybe, if she would have worked with Trump.)

[ahinton]

Trump goes for Nikki Haley for UN Ambassador.  Two protected class boxes checked with one pick.  Trump does appear to have a very good brain.  Had he selected someone with foreign policy experience, it would have been better yet.  (Condi Rice, maybe, if she would have worked with Trump.)

Given Trump's reputation for not paying for pianos, would he ever trust someone who plays the instrument as C. Rice does?

[Mister Sharpe]

Given Trump's reputation for not paying for pianos, would he ever trust someone who plays the instrument as C. Rice does?

BTW, she loves Brahms (as she should...)

[Mister Sharpe]

Crooked Donald!  Lock him up!  http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/11/23/trump-foundation-violations-washington-post-newday-sot.cnn

[ahinton]

BTW, she loves Brahms (as she should...)

But does Trump? Indeed, has he even heard of him?

It would not surprise me were he to ban all performances and broadcasts of Sorabji in US on the grounds of the composer having been a Muslim and thus a terrorist threat to national security (which of course he wasn't, but I somehow imagine that this wouldn't stop him!)...

[Herman]

From the Washington Post:

Hey Democrats, want help to rally the country around Donald Trump? Here's a great idea: Have a crowd of wealthy, out-of-touch Manhattan liberals (who can afford $849 tickets to "Hamilton") boo Vice President-elect Mike Pence while the cast of the Broadway show lectures him on diversity.

The Democratic Party's alienation from the rest of America was on full display at the Richard Rodgers Theatre on Friday night. And the left seems completely oblivious to how ridiculous it looks to the rest of the United States.

Yet another person who doesn't seem to know, or pretends so, that Broadway shows are usually visited by out of towners, who aren't necessarily wealthy, out of touch or librul.

Like Mike Pence and his family.

[Todd]

Conscientious defenders of democracy, or sore losers?

[Todd]

It would not surprise me were he to ban all performances and broadcasts of Sorabji

There are legitimate reasons to ban performances of Sorabji's music unrelated to personal attributes of the composer.  Sorabji's 27 devoted fans in the US would be hurt and angered, to be sure.

[North Star]

SINCE Donald Trump's surprising victory in America's presidential election on November 8th, polling enthusiasts have been poring over the data to try to understand precisely how he won. The single factor that best predicted the amount of votes that Republican's gained compared to 2012 is the share of voting-age citizens who are both white and do not have a college degree. This variable alone can explain 41% of the county-level swing to Mr Trump. For many that statistic might provide closure on what was a bitter and forgettable election. But Patrick Ruffini, a pollster, called on "data nerds" to find another variable that matches the explanatory power of this pale pedagogic predictor.

Fighting fit for such a challenge, The Economist has crunched the numbers and discovered a coherent set of variables that beat it: an index of health metrics. Together these variables can explain 43% of the Republican party's gains over the Democrats. Even when controlling for a battery of other indicators—race, education, age, gender, income, marital status, immigration and employment—these health metrics remain significant and predictive.

The data suggest that the ill may have been particularly susceptible to Mr Trump's message. According to our model, if diabetes were just 7% less prevalent in Michigan, Mr Trump would have gained 0.3 fewer percentage points there, enough to swing the state back to the Democrats. Similarly, if an additional 8% of people in Pennsylvania had engaged in regular physical activity, and the rate of heavy drinking in Wisconsin were 5% lower, Hillary Clinton would have won the electoral college vote and be set to enter the White House. But such counter-factual predictions are always impossible to test. Unfortunately, there is no way to re-run the election with healthier voters and compare the results. But the evidence suggests that Mr Trump performed well in communities that are literally dying.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/11/daily-chart-13

[Karl Henning]

Lower heavy-drinking in Wisconsin?  Dream on!

[Turner]

Sorabji´s time will come.
Trump´s will run out.   

[Todd]

only bodes well for more electoral successes for the Right.

Beware triumphalism.  A fair number of Dems are already starting to talk about real politics vs identity politics. 

To the extent the Hollywood Reporter interview with Steve Bannon accurately reflects his thinking, there's already a sense of triumphalism in his thinking.  Rejigger infrastructure spending and gain a fifty year lock on national politics.  Bosh, I say.

Sorabji´s time will come.
Trump´s will run out.

50% of these statements are correct.

[ahinton]

There are legitimate reasons to ban performances of Sorabji's music unrelated to personal attributes of the composer.

Could you therefore do members here the courtesy of enlightening them as to what you believe these to be?

And, while you're at it, what might you propose to do or advocate doing about the forthcoming performance of his 8-hour-+ Second Organ Symphony on 10 February next to launch the new Klais organ in Iowa University? Send in the Trumps?

Sorabji's 27 devoted fans in the US would be hurt and angered, to be sure.

Do you have hard evidence of this number from bona fide research? Do you know these people? Whether or not you do in either case, how might you account nevertheless for some 200 performances and broadcasts of his work in US?

I had in any case been joking, of course, since I do not imagine that even Trump in his most hair-brained moments would seek - or indeed even be able - to impose legally binding vetoes on musical performances in his country.

[Marc]

From the Wall Street Journal

[...]
The reality is that Mr. Trump didn't prevail on Election Day because of fake news stories or voter suppression or ascendant bigotry in America. He won because a lot of people who voted for Barack Obama in previous elections cast ballots for Mr. Trump this time. [...]

Which might prove Trump's point: the election was rigged.

[ahinton]

Sorabji´s time will come.
Trump´s will run out.

The former's already has. The latter's might already be running out.

[ahinton]

Every president's time runs out ('Bye, Obama).  However not all composers have their day in the sun.

No, indeed they don't, but far more composers can disappear from sunlight and return than is the case with US Presidents; one has only to remember not only that many composers have come into fashion, gone out of it and then returned to it but also that far more composers are coming to the fore today than ever before, partly as a consequence of technological developments that aid the dissemination of their work.