The Boris Johnson thread.

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vandermolen

Quote from: ultralinear on July 07, 2022, 11:18:57 AM
Tugendhat is my constituency MP, and in that role has done very well - certainly a vast improvement on his predecessor, who was virtually invisible.  There are always a lot of issues around here, and at least Tugendhat does seem to recognise that and get involved.

I was impressed during the Brexit referendum campaign, that Tugendhat - an advocate for Remain - did something which almost no-one else on that side seemed to think worth the bother, which was to go out amongst the people and make the case to the people.  On Saturday mornings he would set up a stall in Tonbridge High Street and engage in debate with anyone who wanted to.  When the results came in, there was a majority in the constituency for Leave, but less of one than in neighbouring constituencies.  If Cameron and Obsorne had ever tried to make a positive case for Britain's place in the EU, instead of always resorting to scaremongering and name-calling, the result might have been significantly different.
I like Tugendhat as well.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Papy Oli

That's quite a kerfuffle to get Boris actually out and establish his replacement.

In the meantime, why couldn't they appoint the tories' "mother or father of the house" within their party for that transition period? Surely that would be an established politician that would generate some respect? Is one of them Theresa May though ? Now... That would be ironic  :laugh:

I am not giving weight to the deputy option because..well.. Raab..  :blank:
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Irons

Quote from: ultralinear on July 08, 2022, 02:03:17 AM
Pretty much.  The subject of Brexit is now so toxic, one can expect candidates to genuflect in its direction while keeping the hell away from the whole area.

Tugendhat appears to be a decent man and not particularly tribal.  Just two reasons why he's unlikely to get it.

Yes, don't go there. Maybe a vain hope but fingers crossed being a Brexiteer or Remainer has no bearing on the outcome (I believe both Tugendhat and Wallace were Remainers).

Another reason Tugendhat is unlikely to get it is he is the only one without Ministerial experience. But you never know, Thatcher came from nowhere.
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

vandermolen

Peter Bone's appointment as Deputy Leader of the House of Commons does not augur well. He is a Johnsonian cheer leader (one of the few left) and IMO a terrible bore.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Brian

A Scottish caller to LBC radio just delivered this line: "The prospect of a new conservative PM is like seeing a menu of diseases and having your dad order for you."

Iota

Quote from: ultralinear on July 09, 2022, 05:34:39 AM
With his classical education I imagine Johnson will now pursue a policy of salting the earth to make ensure failure for any successor.

And right on cue ...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/09/boris-johnson-accused-of-trying-to-derail-rishi-sunaks-bid-to-be-next-pm


I don't know much about Penny Mordaunt who has now tossed her hat in the ring, but a quote from her seems salient and neatly put.
'Our leadership has to change. It needs to become a little less about the leader and a lot more about the ship.' 

Que

Quote from: Iota on July 10, 2022, 02:38:55 AM
And right on cue ...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/09/boris-johnson-accused-of-trying-to-derail-rishi-sunaks-bid-to-be-next-pm


I don't know much about Penny Mordaunt who has now tossed her hat in the ring, but a quote from her seems salient and neatly put.
'Our leadership has to change. It needs to become a little less about the leader and a lot more about the ship.' 


That ship has sailed away from the EU, but where is it going?  ::)

Iota

Quote from: Que on July 10, 2022, 03:33:34 AM
That ship has sailed away from the EU, but where is it going?  ::)

According to many current economic predictions, to Davy Jones's locker .. but really whoever knows these things with any certainty? The following may be of interest on the subject.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/10/why-be-a-poor-version-of-germany-instead-of-doing-what-we-do-best

Irons

Great line I read yesterday - "Boris Johnson was behind the demise of three Conservative PM's Cameron, May and Johnson."
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

Iota

No doubt he already has many plans afoot for the demise of the next one too ..  ::) Such is the nature of the man, petty and empty to the last.

LKB

He seems the type to try for a comeback at some point. Is that possible?
Mit Flügeln, die ich mir errungen...

Irons

Quote from: LKB on July 11, 2022, 02:16:22 PM
He seems the type to try for a comeback at some point. Is that possible?

I do not wish to put the fear of God up our American friends on GMG but Boris was born in New York!
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

Karl Henning

Quote from: Irons on July 12, 2022, 06:08:16 AM
I do not wish to put the fear of God up our American friends on GMG but Boris was born in New York!

As was Trump, of course. On the bright side: so was I ;)
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Irons

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 12, 2022, 06:14:28 AM
As was Trump, of course. On the bright side: so was I ;)

Every black cloud has a silver lining, Karl. ;)
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

Spotted Horses

Quote from: Irons on July 12, 2022, 06:08:16 AM
I do not wish to put the fear of God up our American friends on GMG but Boris was born in New York!

Interesting. Having been born in the U.S. he has a right to U.S. citizenship. Since his parents were not U.S. Citizenship he may have to explicitly exercise that right. A valid birth certificate would be sufficient. If he is, by default, a U.S. citizen he would have to have been filing U.S. income tax returns every year, whether he is present in the U.S. or not.

LKB

Mit Flügeln, die ich mir errungen...

Irons

You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

Mirror Image

Proud to see Boris hit the dirt. Such a coward and has done absolutely nothing for the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

vandermolen

I've been enjoying the schadenfreude of watching TV programmes about the collapse of Johnson's premiership. I thought that Max Hastings made an interesting point, suggesting that Johnson mistook his massive election victory on 2019 as evidence of how much everyone loved him rather than, more likely, it being a comment on the unpopularity of Jeremy Corbyn.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).