Coronavirus thread

[Karl Henning]

Based on my first hand experience with Communist officials, Communist statistics and Communist facts and figures, I don't trust the Chinese officials at all, not even when they say  "Hello, folks, it's a fine day today!" I think their numbers of confirmed cases and deaths are greatly understated. I think they covered up massively the whole bloody mess.

So you understand how painful it is to Americans that disinformation is the M.O. at the White House.

[Florestan]

So you understand how painful it is to Americans that disinformation is the M.O. at the White House.

I do. And I also understand how painful it must be for Mr. Fauci (whom I have watched interviewed live on CNN before the whole mess exploded in the uS, that is early March IIRC).

[Mandryka]

Very good summary of the situation in the UK on Channel 4 tonight.

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/channel-4-news/on-demand

[Ratliff]

There is no acknowledgement of her getting the disease... the officials at the lab said that no one got infected. Sure...

They also denied her existence at first but then said she left and was unaccounted for. How do these people work together and not even have each other's contact information? And why no obituary?

But I do see what you mean- it's all about the dates/timing. Not quite sure of the exact dates of the disappearance, just that the studies took place around November and December, so same general timeframe... but I guess her being patient zero completely relies on the lab origin theory being correct.

Also about the wet market, I heard that it was about 50 people who were interviewed and they couldn't confirm that they sold bats there...as well as the CDC unable to confirm it. So no leads there yet.

I read an article (I won't be able to find it now) that CDC scientists reviewing the data think that the first cases were probably unnoticed and that the first infections were probably a lot earlier than December, possibly as early as September. The simplest and most likely explanation is that this mysterious person at the institute, if she is real and not an invention of conspiracy theorists, got sick in December or January with everyone else and the higher ups said "that's embarrassing, better taker her off the web site."

[MusicTurner]

More scientists here in Denmark saying that the herd immunity concept is an illusion, and that an average body's gained immunity towards the corona type viruses only tends to last for limited time, and even down to just one year.

The herd strategy, also costing more lives, is therefore wrong for several reasons, they say.

[Karl Henning]

More scientists here in Denmark saying that the herd immunity concept is an illusion, and that an average body's gained immunity towards the corona type viruses only tends to last for limited time, and even down to just one year.

The herd strategy, also costing more lives, is therefore wrong for several reasons, they say.

Ouch.

[greg]

I read an article (I won't be able to find it now) that CDC scientists reviewing the data think that the first cases were probably unnoticed and that the first infections were probably a lot earlier than December, possibly as early as September. The simplest and most likely explanation is that this mysterious person at the institute, if she is real and not an invention of conspiracy theorists, got sick in December or January with everyone else and the higher ups said "that's embarrassing, better taker her off the web site."

That is also possible.

"Embarassing" would be an odd reaction imo, but who really knows how they would react...

The official statement about her trying to deny the rumors were on February 16, so her death would have to be some time before then. The problem is that the information about her date of death or her current existence just isn't available.

[Ratliff]

That is also possible.

"Embarassing" would be an odd reaction imo, but who really knows how they would react...

Embarrassing as in "someone at our institute got it, and now they will claim it is our fault."

[greg]

Embarrassing as in "someone at our institute got it, and now they will claim it is our fault."

If that is the case then they horribly mishandled it because all you need to disprove it is a record of her date of death (to show that it is later than the earliest cases), and then they can go on living their life without people staying suspicious of them. I'm assuming such things are recorded there?

[JBS]

If that is the case then they horribly mishandled it because all you need to disprove it is a record of her date of death (to show that it is later than the earliest cases), and then they can go on living their life without people staying suspicious of them. I'm assuming such things are recorded there?

That would not stop the conspiracy theories. They'd say the death certificate was doctored or something. And for all we know, she may have been among the early victims yet the wet market was the true source of the virus.

We know the local officials lied to lots of people trying to cover up the initial outbreak. The lab may have lied to officials  to protect itself,  and we will probably never know if they did. I suspect the national government itself isn't sure, and wants to make sure that no one will be able to find out for sure just to protect itself.

[greg]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/animals.html

Honest question... but do viruses often spread among animals, then to humans, only to have difficulty spreading back? Seems like reports of animal infections are rare. Since apparently no bats were sold at the market at that time, the pangolin theory is still valid. But hard to say since they weren't listed at the market due to them being illegal to sell, though doesn't mean they didn't anyways.


I see another article on the lab theory from today on the WSJ. Can't read it, but saw that it mentioned that the head of the lab is also "secretary of the lab's communist party committee" which I didn't know. This is the guy denying all the accusations btw.

We know the local officials lied to lots of people trying to cover up the initial outbreak. The lab may have lied to officials  to protect itself,  and we will probably never know if they did. I suspect the national government itself isn't sure, and wants to make sure that no one will be able to find out for sure just to protect itself.

(see previous paragraph)
Source:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-and-the-laboratories-in-wuhan-11587486996

I can only see the beginning part...

That would not stop the conspiracy theories. They'd say the death certificate was doctored or something. And for all we know, she may have been among the early victims yet the wet market was the true source of the virus..

Only at this point after this long would that be a suspicion. If they are counting number of deaths each day or week, they should have had her death accounted for and recorded within a short time period. This is a country which accounts for everyone due to the social credit system. Seems death records should be quick.

[Karl Henning]

That would not stop the conspiracy theories. They'd say the death certificate was doctored or something. And for all we know, she may have been among the early victims yet the wet market was the true source of the virus.

We know the local officials lied to lots of people trying to cover up the initial outbreak. The lab may have lied to officials  to protect itself,  and we will probably never know if they did. I suspect the national government itself isn't sure, and wants to make sure that no one will be able to find out for sure just to protect itself.

Truly, no facts can stop the conspiracy theories.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Regarding pets:  A couple of weeks ago, I bumped into (not literally!) a nurse who works in respiratory care at a hospital.  He was out walking his dog and we chatted for a bit at a distance.  His dog wasn't on a leash, but he would call him occasionally to come back to him.  He suggested that I didn't pet him 'just in case'.

From what I read, it sounded like the lions and tigers that were infected will be o.k.  I certainly hope so.  They were supposedly infected by a zoo employee who was actively shedding the virus.  It sounded to me like he/she was feeling/doing o.k.

Update:  saw a story on t.v. about NYC mom-and-pop store break-ins up 120% since this all started.   

PD

[mc ukrneal]

Regarding pets:  A couple of weeks ago, I bumped into (not literally!) a nurse who works in respiratory care at a hospital.  He was out walking his dog and we chatted for a bit at a distance.  His dog wasn't on a leash, but he would call him occasionally to come back to him.  He suggested that I didn't pet him 'just in case'.

From what I read, it sounded like the lions and tigers that were infected will be o.k.  I certainly hope so.  They were supposedly infected by a zoo employee who was actively shedding the virus.  It sounded to me like he/she was feeling/doing o.k.

Update:  saw a story on t.v. about NYC mom-and-pop store break-ins up 120% since this all started.   

PD

That's odd. Everywhere I've seen - the crime rate is down (in NYC and elsewhere).

[Pohjolas Daughter]

That's odd. Everywhere I've seen - the crime rate is down (in NYC and elsewhere).

Hello,

I watched the segment again.  Here's the link to it.  And yes, from what I understood in the program that it was commercial break-ins that were on the rise.  I did catch them saying 'year-to-year' which I hadn't caught before.  They did make it seem like it was up in a number of areas (like San Francisco).  Here's the link to the story:  https://www.insideedition.com/media/videos/ferraras-bakery-in-new-york-city-is-burglarized-during-pandemic-59179  And yes, they did mention that overall the crime rate was down in NYC.  It did strike me whilst watching it, that with most shops, obviously being closed, that certain people would see that as prime time to break into smaller shops.  I do know of at least some shops in my area having some employees (or maybe just owners) going into their shops (perhaps for a limited time/days?) to mail out orders.

Best wishes,

PD

[André]

In the Dominican Republic there is a curfew from 5:00pm until the morning. The aim is to curtail criminality (break-ins). People play cat and mouse with the police. So far 40000 arrests/detainments have been made.

https://dominicantoday.com/dr/covid-19/2020/04/13/video-people-violate-curfew-hide-when-the-police-arrive-then-reassemble-when-police-leave/

[MusicTurner]

Internationally, more than 500 teams are working on medicines for treatment. In Denmark, the first ones will be evaluated after tests within just 4 weeks from now.

[Herman]

In other news, the reports are that the chlorine-derivate that Trump was promoting almost on a daily basis does 1 not help against corona and 2 causes death by heart arhythmia (we already knew this) and 3 we already knew that he had a financial interest in the company producing the stuff.

There's your "I alone can fix this" president.

[Irons]

Working at breakneck speed the first vaccine trials on humans this week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52374653

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Working at breakneck speed the first vaccine trials on humans this week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52374653

Fingers are crossed here!

On another front, hard to believe that it's been 50 years:  https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52370221
Be kind to your Mother....

PD