Coronavirus thread

[Pohjolas Daughter]

A point of view from Australia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOJOj3Pmz_s

So, what are your media telling you? The same as us - the number of cases? We got locked down last week because of FOUR cases all of which were mild.

Just heard that they're cutting travel to Australia by 50%.     Wonder whether athletes like Ash Barty will be able to return home anytime in the near future?  Forget how long she's been away from home.  Just saw an article that she might not return until the end of 2021.  That has to be brutal on her and her coach and their families.

PD

[vandermolen]

My daughter, who lives in London, has tested positive for Coronavirus. She has had one dose of vaccine, so hopefully that will stand her in good stead. She says that she feels unwell and has completely lost her sense of taste/smell but said that it is currently not as bad as having the flu. At least she has her nice new husband to look after her!

[Pohjolas Daughter]

My daughter, who lives in London, has tested positive for Coronavirus. She has had one dose of vaccine, so hopefully that will stand her in good stead. She says that she feels unwell and has completely lost her sense of taste/smell but said that it is currently not as bad as having the flu. At least she has her nice new husband to look after her!

Oh, no!  Hope that she recovers soon and fully.  Was it your son or son-in-law who had it too a number of months ago Jeffrey?

PD

[vandermolen]

Oh, no!  Hope that she recovers soon and fully.  Was it your son or son-in-law who had it too a number of months ago Jeffrey?

PD

Thanks PD - much appreciated. He thinks that he had it before, although there is no concrete evidence.

[Mirror Image]

My daughter, who lives in London, has tested positive for Coronavirus. She has had one dose of vaccine, so hopefully that will stand her in good stead. She says that she feels unwell and has completely lost her sense of taste/smell but said that it is currently not as bad as having the flu. At least she has her nice new husband to look after her!

Sorry to hear about this, Jeffrey. I hope for a speedy recovery for her. COVID seems to affect people differently and younger people will certainly have an easier time dealing with it than someone who is in their 50s, 60s, etc. It's also nice that she lives closer to you as well, but, yes, hopefully her husband will take care of her. Send her all my best (even though she doesn't know me), but I do wish her well.

[vandermolen]

Sorry to hear about this, Jeffrey. I hope for a speedy recovery for her. COVID seems to affect people differently and younger people will certainly have an easier time dealing with it than someone who is in their 50s, 60s, etc. It's also nice that she lives closer to you as well, but, yes, hopefully her husband will take care of her. Send her all my best (even though she doesn't know me), but I do wish her well.

I will do John - that's kind of you. Thank you.

[Mirror Image]

I will do John - that's kind of you. Thank you.

My pleasure.

[André]

My daughter, who lives in London, has tested positive for Coronavirus. She has had one dose of vaccine, so hopefully that will stand her in good stead. She says that she feels unwell and has completely lost her sense of taste/smell but said that it is currently not as bad as having the flu. At least she has her nice new husband to look after her!

Best wishes to Ellie for a speedy recovery, Jeffrey. 

My daughter had it too some 6 weeks ago. Being posted abroad she had no access to a vaccine over there. They just started recently, and they only have the sinovac from China. After her first shot 2 weeks ago she started feeling like she had covid all over again - fever, headaches, joint pains etc. No anosmia, though. She's coming home this week. She's not even sure she'll be allowed in without quarantining as she is not 'fully vaccinated'. Apparently having had covid + a first shot is equivalent to being fully vaxxed, but her sinovac shot might not be recognised here in Canada...

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Best wishes to Ellie for a speedy recovery, Jeffrey. 

My daughter had it too some 6 weeks ago. Being posted abroad she had no access to a vaccine over there. They just started recently, and they only have the sinovac from China. After her first shot 2 weeks ago she started feeling like she had covid all over again - fever, headaches, joint pains etc. No anosmia, though. She's coming home this week. She's not even sure she'll be allowed in without quarantining as she is not 'fully vaccinated'. Apparently having had covid + a first shot is equivalent to being fully vaxxed, but her sinovac shot might not be recognised here in Canada...

Sorry to hear that about your daughter too!  Hope that all goes as well as it can from here.  Please keep us apprised as to how things go.

Best wishes,

PD

[vandermolen]

Best wishes to Ellie for a speedy recovery, Jeffrey. 

My daughter had it too some 6 weeks ago. Being posted abroad she had no access to a vaccine over there. They just started recently, and they only have the sinovac from China. After her first shot 2 weeks ago she started feeling like she had covid all over again - fever, headaches, joint pains etc. No anosmia, though. She's coming home this week. She's not even sure she'll be allowed in without quarantining as she is not 'fully vaccinated'. Apparently having had covid + a first shot is equivalent to being fully vaxxed, but her sinovac shot might not be recognised here in Canada...

Many thanks André - hope that your daughter gets back ok.

[vandermolen]

Sorry to hear that about your daughter too!  Hope that all goes as well as it can from here.  Please keep us apprised as to how things go.

Best wishes,

PD

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[Spotted Horses]

My daughter, who lives in London, has tested positive for Coronavirus. She has had one dose of vaccine, so hopefully that will stand her in good stead. She says that she feels unwell and has completely lost her sense of taste/smell but said that it is currently not as bad as having the flu. At least she has her nice new husband to look after her!

So sorry to hear it. So quickly from elation and celebration to hardship. My best wishes for speedy and full recovery.

[vandermolen]

So sorry to hear it. So quickly from elation and celebration to hardship. My best wishes for speedy and full recovery.

Very many thanks - much appreciated. At the moment she seems ok. I'm hoping that having had the first dose of her vaccine will help her.

[Que]

My daughter, who lives in London, has tested positive for Coronavirus. She has had one dose of vaccine, so hopefully that will stand her in good stead. She says that she feels unwell and has completely lost her sense of taste/smell but said that it is currently not as bad as having the flu. At least she has her nice new husband to look after her!

The one dose is likely to diminish the effects of the virus significantly. All the best to her!

Here a cocktail of unvaccinated young, lifted restrictions and the rise of the Delta variant caused an unexpected (at least by the govt) spike in infections:

Dutch reimpose COVID curbs as cases jump in young adults


Boris Johnson, take heed...

[Mandryka]

The one dose is likely to diminish the effects of the virus significantly. All the best to her!

Here a cocktail of unvaccinated young, lifted restrictions and the rise of the Delta variant caused an unexpected (at least by the govt) spike in infections:

Dutch reimpose COVID curbs as cases jump in young adults


Boris Johnson, take heed...

We want that to happen here in England. The strategy is to induce infection and consequent natural immunity in young adults and children by encouraging them to go to rammed pubs and go on holiday to Magaluf. The older adults are protected by vaccination. This is known as "hybrid immunity"

It looks as though you have 40% of the population fully vaccinated, we have 65%. Maybe you're not quite ready for the British approach yet.

(at least by the govt)

It's so disturbing, it's all manipulation for political and economic reasons. I've been following France and it has been horrific to see how the "Macronie" manipulates events and media. What is happening in Europe was predictable with great confidence two or three months ago.

[Que]

We want that to happen here in England. The strategy is to induce infection and consequent natural immunity in young adults and children by encouraging them to go to rammed pubs and go on holiday to Magaluf. The older adults are protected by vaccination. This is known as "hybrid immunity"

Absolute madness.

Youngsters are willfully exposed to the risks of long civid or worse, even if the chance for the need for hospitalisation is very slim in comparison to other groups. And those that are not fully vacinnated are also running risks. And then there is the group of unvaccinated, some of which cannot be vaccinated for health reasons or do not want to out of conviction or ignorance.

Are we realy going to sacrifice the health of these people while full vaccination is only a few months away? F*$k the frail and the poorly educated?

It's so disturbing, it's all manipulation for political and economic reasons. I've been following France and it has been horrific to see how the "Macronie" manipulates events and media. What is happening in Europe was predictable with great confidence two or three months ago.

Agreed. Cowardly behaviour in the fear of loosing the next election.

[Mandryka]

I'm not looking to defend the British strategy, I just want to examine it in the cold light of day to understand what it is. When I'm clear about that I'll be ready to judge it both morally and medically.

Youngsters are willfully exposed to the risks of long civid or worse, even if the chance for the need for hospitalisation is very slim in comparison to other groups.

It's their choice to go to crowded events, and they can hardly deny that they have been warned of the risks. In this way, the government seek to absolve themselves of any moral culpability. They'll take the cost of treating the long covid on the chin.

And those that are not fully vacinnated are also running risks. And then there is the group of unvaccinated, some of which cannot be vaccinated for health reasons or do not want to out of conviction or ignorance.

Are we realy going to sacrifice the health of these people while full vaccination is only a few months away? F*$k the frail and the poorly educated?

These people probably don't vote Tory, so their value in the Government's calculations is heavily discounted. The rentier classes are safely vaccinated.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

The one dose is likely to diminish the effects of the virus significantly. All the best to her!

Here a cocktail of unvaccinated young, lifted restrictions and the rise of the Delta variant caused an unexpected (at least by the govt) spike in infections:

Dutch reimpose COVID curbs as cases jump in young adults


Boris Johnson, take heed...

Sorry to hear the bad news Que!

PD

[Que]

I'm not looking to defend the British strategy, I just want to examine it in the cold light of day to understand what it is. When I'm clear about that I'll be ready to judge it both morally and medically.

Not to worry, that was clear.

It's their choice to go to crowded events, and they can hardly deny that they have been warned of the risks. In this way, the government seek to absolve themselves of any moral culpability. They'll take the cost of treating the long covid on the chin.

The young are taking risks they shouldn't, but then they are young and are led on by wrong signals.

These people probably don't vote Tory, so their value in the Government's calculations is heavily discounted. The rentier classes are safely vaccinated.

I'm sure there are still many Tory voters amongst those only partly vaccinated.  When it turns out a single dose isn't enough for a fair amount of them, and indications are it isn't, and the number of infections spikes, then the political sh#t will it the fan...

The poorly educated need more persuasion and targeted information campaigns, which takes time and effort. It's immoral to throw them under the bus. But I guess that depends on one's view on government vs individual responsibility.

My position is that these are complicated matters that a lot of people find hard to understand. Meanwhile they are bombarded by deliberate misinformation on social media. A government is responsible for the well being of everyone, not just for those who are able to figure it out by themselves. Perhaps a paternalistic approach to government, but there it is.

[Mandryka]

https://mobile.twitter.com/allthecitizens


Absolutely wonderful video with Richard Horton, a Lancet journalist, talking about uncertainty, and experiment, on the above  tweet. One of the best things I've heard in a long time - apart from one thing.

At the end he says that the Uk Government's approach isn't about science, data, it's about ideology. Of course it can be about both - science giving the Government the tools to implement an ideologically driven strategy.

All policy is ideological. There is no such thing as being "data driven" Discuss. (good topic for a paper there.)