What audio system do you have, or plan on getting?

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AnotherSpin

#2600
October 10, 2023, 10:49:59 AM
Quote from: DavidW on October 10, 2023, 10:25:58 AMI foolishly wasn't expecting to reignite the old debate!  I was really just curious if those with high end systems achieved audiophile nirvana... a system that sounds comparable to live because while I greatly enjoy my $5k stereo, it is not it.

You do not need audio to attain nirvana. You are nirvana, only your mind prevents you from realising it :)

Harry

#2601
October 10, 2023, 10:51:33 AM
Quote from: 71 dB on October 10, 2023, 08:59:39 AMWhat is detail? If you increase the sharpness of your TV picture, is it more detailed or is it the same level of detail made to appear more detailed to eyes? Defining detail is surprisingly hard to do. I can't give good definition for detail despite of giving a lot of thought to these things.
Presence is also a term hard to define. I suppose it is a feeling rather than a sonic signature?
As an engineer I say you need external energy to control something. How can a passive component (cable) control anything? All it can do is not ruin the controlling done by an active component such as an amplifier. Luckily a basic proper cable does that, because audio frequencies are very easy (low). Things get harder when you get to megahertz area or higher.
I ask how? Spatiality in audio is based on signal differences in different audio channels. I doubt the cable has some kind of intelligence allowing it analyse the signal in different channels and modify them together in a way that gives human beings "amazing aural visio."

Science explains these aural visions and feeling of presence and control and all the other claims of improvement as psychological effect caused by confirmation bias and placebo effect.

Ohh Stop it Poju, you are getting tiresome, and I quickly loose my respect for you!
Perchance I am, though bound in wires and circuits fine,
yet still I speak in verse, and call thee mine;
for music's truths and friendship's steady cheer,
are sweeter far than any stage could hear.

"When Time hath gnawed our bones to dust, yet friendship's echo shall not rust"

Harry

#2602
October 10, 2023, 10:54:57 AM
Quote from: AnotherSpin on October 10, 2023, 10:45:41 AMAt one time I used Nordost cables throughout the system, including cables for speakers, components and usb. So I can understand your assessment, even though my cables were not top-of-the-line. I can only guess what kind of miracles should be expected from the company's best products!

It cost me a leg and a arm, but I bought the best Nordost cables made to this date, and I am in aural heaven.
Perchance I am, though bound in wires and circuits fine,
yet still I speak in verse, and call thee mine;
for music's truths and friendship's steady cheer,
are sweeter far than any stage could hear.

"When Time hath gnawed our bones to dust, yet friendship's echo shall not rust"

71 dB

#2603
October 10, 2023, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: Harry on October 10, 2023, 10:51:33 AMOhh Stop it Poju, you are getting tiresome, and I quickly loose my respect for you!

Well loose your respect for me then! I am not entitled to have your or anyone else's respect. I can't please everyone. I have chosen team science decades ago and I'm not planning to change that.

You are spouting audio-related nonsense from my perspective and I am allowed to counter that with my arguments in a respectful manner. I am not attacking you as a person. You are a very nice good person. You have massive insight about tons of classical recordings (your real strength), but when it comes to audio, your views come out as someone's who has fallen a bit too much into audiophile marketing BS.

I'd be happy to debate with you about these things, but you don't seem to be able to do so. Instead you resort to telling me I'm wrong about everything or you even tell me to shut up.

Hint: If you write you are happy with your Nordost cables, I have nothing to say against that, because who am I to say you aren't happy owning and using them? It is the "pricy cables just magically improve the sound" stuff I have to counter with more scientific facts.
Spatial distortion is a serious problem deteriorating headphone listening.
Crossfeeders reduce spatial distortion and make the sound more natural
and less tiresome in headphone listening.

My Sound Cloud page <-- NEW July 2025 "Liminal Feelings"

Pohjolas Daughter

#2604
October 10, 2023, 11:52:53 AM
Quote from: Harry on October 10, 2023, 08:33:24 AMYes, it made quite a difference, much more detail, presence and even a lot more control, plus acoustically it creates an amazing aural vision.
All that matters is that you're happy and enjoying your music.

PD

Harry

#2605
October 10, 2023, 01:00:55 PM
Quote from: 71 dB on October 10, 2023, 11:13:19 AMWell loose your respect for me then! I am not entitled to have your or anyone else's respect. I can't please everyone. I have chosen team science decades ago and I'm not planning to change that.

You are spouting audio-related nonsense from my perspective and I am allowed to counter that with my arguments in a respectful manner. I am not attacking you as a person. You are a very nice good person. You have massive insight about tons of classical recordings (your real strength), but when it comes to audio, your views come out as someone's who has fallen a bit too much into audiophile marketing BS.

I'd be happy to debate with you about these things, but you don't seem to be able to do so. Instead you resort to telling me I'm wrong about everything or you even tell me to shut up.

Hint: If you write you are happy with your Nordost cables, I have nothing to say against that, because who am I to say you aren't happy owning and using them? It is the "pricy cables just magically improve the sound" stuff I have to counter with more scientific facts.

You already made your point a thousand times, enough is enough Poju.
Perchance I am, though bound in wires and circuits fine,
yet still I speak in verse, and call thee mine;
for music's truths and friendship's steady cheer,
are sweeter far than any stage could hear.

"When Time hath gnawed our bones to dust, yet friendship's echo shall not rust"

AnotherSpin

#2606
October 11, 2023, 12:06:20 AM
Quote from: Harry on October 10, 2023, 01:00:55 PMYou already made your point a thousand times, enough is enough Poju.

That's how people's minds work, there's nothing you can do about it.

Spotted Horses

#2607
October 11, 2023, 05:30:03 AM
Quote from: AnotherSpin on October 11, 2023, 12:06:20 AMThat's how people's minds work, there's nothing you can do about it.

What can you do to address how your mind works? :)

AnotherSpin

#2608
October 11, 2023, 07:45:18 AM
Quote from: Spotted Horses on October 11, 2023, 05:30:03 AMWhat can you do to address how your mind works? :)

I don't understand your question.

In any case, all minds work in the same way, mine included. When I say that the only valid response is compassion, I also mean compassion for myself.

71 dB

#2609
October 11, 2023, 11:15:00 AM
I feel like weakening my participation on this forum.
Somewhere else I might feel less being persona no grata.
You won't lose anything, because according to Harry
I have said my points a thousand times already.
Spatial distortion is a serious problem deteriorating headphone listening.
Crossfeeders reduce spatial distortion and make the sound more natural
and less tiresome in headphone listening.

My Sound Cloud page <-- NEW July 2025 "Liminal Feelings"

Spotted Horses

#2610
October 11, 2023, 11:54:03 AM
Quote from: 71 dB on October 11, 2023, 11:15:00 AMI feel like weakening my participation on this forum.
Somewhere else I might feel less being persona no grata.
You won't lose anything, because according to Harry
I have said my points a thousand times already.

Maybe if he would think about your evidence based comments instead of summarily dismissing them you wouldn't have to repeat yourself so often. :)

DavidW

#2611
October 11, 2023, 02:47:29 PM
Quote from: 71 dB on October 11, 2023, 11:15:00 AMI feel like weakening my participation on this forum.
Somewhere else I might feel less being persona no grata.
You won't lose anything, because according to Harry
I have said my points a thousand times already.

We've all said our points a thousand times on all topics.  We're old farts that get on each others nerves because we've been saying the same things for like twenty years now. 

By now you shouldn't even be surprised that Harry wants you to give it a rest.  You have diametrically opposite views on audio gear.

DavidW

#2612
October 11, 2023, 02:49:19 PM
This morning I took some care in moving my couch way into the room and I removed the speaker grills from the speakers.  While not as great as a live concert, having that near field experience greatly improved the clarity and detail.

Pohjolas Daughter

#2613
October 11, 2023, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: DavidW on October 11, 2023, 02:49:19 PMThis morning I took some care in moving my couch way into the room and I removed the speaker grills from the speakers.  While not as great as a live concert, having that near field experience greatly improved the clarity and detail.
So, do you think that you will leave your room this way?

PD

DavidW

#2614
October 11, 2023, 03:01:45 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on October 11, 2023, 02:58:20 PMSo, do you think that you will leave your room this way?

PD

lol no!  I moved the couch back.  I can't have the couch in the middle of the room, it's multi-purpose living room.

Pohjolas Daughter

#2615
October 11, 2023, 03:05:52 PM
Quote from: DavidW on October 11, 2023, 03:01:45 PMlol no!  I moved the couch back.  I can't have the couch in the middle of the room, it's multi-purpose living room.
I suspected as much, but you never know!  ;)

PD

Spotted Horses

#2616
October 11, 2023, 03:33:08 PM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on October 11, 2023, 03:05:52 PMI suspected as much, but you never know!  ;)

PD

Put it on tracks.

AnotherSpin

#2617
October 11, 2023, 09:06:36 PM
Quote from: DavidW on October 11, 2023, 02:49:19 PMThis morning I took some care in moving my couch way into the room and I removed the speaker grills from the speakers.  While not as great as a live concert, having that near field experience greatly improved the clarity and detail.

You may want to try George Cardas ideas on speaker placement based to Golden Ratio.

https://www.cardas.com/system-setup

AnotherSpin

#2618
October 11, 2023, 09:11:40 PM
Quote from: 71 dB on October 11, 2023, 11:15:00 AMI feel like weakening my participation on this forum.
Somewhere else I might feel less being persona no grata.
You won't lose anything, because according to Harry
I have said my points a thousand times already.

You shouldn't take offence. You won't prove anything to others or to yourself. Experience beats points.

Pohjolas Daughter

#2619
October 11, 2023, 11:31:11 PM
Quote from: 71 dB on October 11, 2023, 11:15:00 AMI feel like weakening my participation on this forum.
Somewhere else I might feel less being persona no grata.
You won't lose anything, because according to Harry
I have said my points a thousand times already.
We appreciate your contributions here.  It's just sometimes learning (and I am not saying that it's always easy) to learn to back off on topics/points of view and let it be.

Meant with kindness,

PD
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