Discrimination against progressives?

[oabmarcus]

LOL you think I need Glen to tell me what's going on?

You've got to be dreaming...

Glenn, Rush, and Fox tv. Where else do you guys get your news? Ever read Huffington post, just for once? To see the other side of the argument? I have watched Beck's program and listened to Limbaugh, and I am pretty sure I am the sane one.

[oabmarcus]

I'm sure Obama has Progressive ideas but the problem is there are far too many republicans in the Congress. Obama is forced to make painful compromises in order to get anything done.

That didn't bother Bush when he was in power.

[oabmarcus]

You know, in America, that means that they must the candidate who persuades a majority of the electorate. Part of the beauty of democracy is, that (as a rule) you don't have a minority forcing their will on the nation as a whole.

unless of course those minority are filthy rich and can buy politicians to work for them, to capture our political system. In that case, we are fucked.

[Saul]

Glenn, Rush, and Fox tv. Where else do you guys get your news? Ever read Huffington post, just for once? To see the other side of the argument? I have watched Beck's program and listened to Limbaugh, and I am pretty sure I am the sane one.

LOL look whos talking, the Press is controlled by the libs... I thought you knew that by now...

[71 dB]

That didn't bother Bush when he was in power.

Of course it didn't bother since Bush is a republican!

[71 dB]

You know, in America, that means that they must the candidate who persuades a majority of the electorate.  Part of the beauty of democracy is, that (as a rule) you don't have a minority forcing their will on the nation as a whole.

The Green Party has significant support among voters and they should have power in the Congress accordingly. That's my idea of democracy. It doesn't mean minorities force their will, it means minorities have their minor influence on things.

[Bulldog]

The Green Party has significant support among voters and they should have power in the Congress accordingly.

Change that to "minimal support".  In the 2008 presidential election, Obama got about 70 million votes, McCain got 60 million votes and the Green Party candidate only 160,000 votes.  That's a tiny .12% of total voters.

The fact is that Green Party candidates, over the years, have done terribly in presidential elections.  It's no wonder given the poor candidates they have selected.

[Franco]

I'm sure Obama has Progressive ideas but the problem is there are far too many republicans in the Congress. Obama is forced to make painful compromises in order to get anything done.

American Greens should get themselves into the Congress. Parliament of Finland has 14 Green members out of 200 (should be ~20 members as the support of Greens is about 10 % among voters but it's the election process that is unfair to smaller groups...)

Our Greens have 2 ministers in our current administration. The Green Party is strongly against nuclear power but they were totally powerless to prevent the authorization of two new nuclear power plants recently. Politics is about painful compromises, even more so if you don't have broad support from the voters.

Actually, Obama has solid Democrat majorities in both houses of Congress and has passed his legislation with hardly any input from (much less compromises to) the Republicans, most notably in his health care reform legislation (which over 60% of the population opposed).  The irony is that because the Democrats overplayed their hand, in the mid-term elections most observers believe Republicans will pick enough seats to have a majority in at least one house and force Obama to govern in a bi-partisan manner. 

Third parties have never done well in US elections.  They seem to get enough of the vote to deny the party closest to their philosophy victory.  If the Greens were to run a strong candidate odds are it would guarantee a Republican president.

[Bulldog]

I'm sure Obama has Progressive ideas but the problem is there are far too many republicans in the Congress. Obama is forced to make painful compromises in order to get anything done.

Wrong again.  The Democrats control both houses of Congress.  As of today, they even have 60 members in the Senate. 

[Bulldog]

It wouldn't surprise me if about 50% of the American adult population never heard of the Green Party. 

[Teresa]

Change that to "minimal support".  In the 2008 presidential election, Obama got about 70 million votes, McCain got 60 million votes and the Green Party candidate only 160,000 votes.  That's a tiny .12% of total voters.

The fact is that Green Party candidates, over the years, have done terribly in presidential elections.  It's no wonder given the poor candidates they have selected.

That is because many Green Party members voted for Obama to keep McCain out of office as they perceived him as too dangerous.  If we can ever end negative scared voting, then maybe people can start voting their consciences.   

[Philoctetes]

That is because many Green Party members voted for Obama to keep McCain out of office as they perceived him as too dangerous.  If we can ever end negative scared voting, then maybe people can start voting their consciences.   

Or host a viable candidate. Their last one was simply laughable.

[Teresa]

If there is anything in the world that makes me angry is when some folks behave as though we are idiots who don't know anything, and that we just don't know what are liberals or progressives and the rest of the communist band wagon.

If you did not behave like an idiot and make idiotic statements NO ONE would.  If you knew ANYTHING you would KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that Progressives have nothing whatsoever in common with Liberals, especially ideologically. Indeed Liberals and Conservatives have way more in common as both are in the back pockets of corporate interests.  Progressives are the only ones who support real peoples interests, including yours.  You are just too blind to see the truth!  Follow the money and see for yourself. 

Also most Liberals are not communists, just as most Conservatives are not Fascist Nazi skinheads.  However you will find a few rogue Fascists in the Republican party and a few rogue communists in the Democratic party.   

This Brecht Forum is a fanatic Lib/Prog institution that lets communists who openly call for the destruction of the U.S speak their minds.

This is another bald-faced lie of yours as I have already proven, this is a Maxist forum and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any Progressive Party.  They may used the word "progressive" but make no mistake they are Marxists.  Heck there is even an Insurance company named "Progressive".  The Progressive Parties do not own the word itself! 

[Teresa]

LOL look whos talking, the Press is controlled by the libs... I thought you knew that by now...

When you see balanced reporting you think Liberal bias.  Guess you should stick with the Fox News Network that only shows the right-wing versions and Rush Limbaugh.   

[71 dB]

Wrong again.  The Democrats control both houses of Congress.  As of today, they even have 60 members in the Senate.

You must excuse my stupidity here. As a Finn I don't understand all the details of American politics. If The Democrats control both houses of Congress, why don't they support Obama? I understood Obama has had huge problems taking forward his Health Care plan. Why is that if there's Democrats supporting him? Who's President Obama is?

[Philoctetes]

You must excuse my stupidity here. As a Finn I don't understand all the details of American politics. If The Democrats control both houses of Congress, why don't they support Obama? I understood Obama has had huge problems taking forward his Health Care plan. Why it that if there's Democrats supporting him? Who's President Obama is?

It's called free-thinking.

[71 dB]

Change that to "minimal support".  In the 2008 presidential election, Obama got about 70 million votes, McCain got 60 million votes and the Green Party candidate only 160,000 votes.  That's a tiny .12% of total voters.

The fact is that Green Party candidates, over the years, have done terribly in presidential elections.  It's no wonder given the poor candidates they have selected.

The candidates are not poor. The voters are just too stupid or stubborn to understand their message. Anyway, I wasn't talking about Presidents but Congressmen (or how do you call them?)

[(poco) Sforzando]

You must excuse my stupidity here. As a Finn I don't understand all the details of American politics. If The Democrats control both houses of Congress, why don't they support Obama? I understood Obama has had huge problems taking forward his Health Care plan. Why is that if there's Democrats supporting him? Who's President Obama is?

Obama's Health Care plan hit one major unexpected snag: Ted Kennedy died.

[Bulldog]

The candidates are not poor. The voters are just too stupid or stubborn to understand their message. Anyway, I wasn't talking about Presidents but Congressmen (or how do you call them?)

Sure, when things aren't going as you want, blame the people. 

As you indicated earlier, you don't know much about the United States or its people.  Given this situation, it would be best if you didn't talk as if you did know anything.

Off to another point.  There currently is no Progressive Party, and the words "progressive" and "liberal" are politically interchangeable.  Perhaps that will change in the future.  It does strike me that the folks who most use the term "progressive" are the right-wing folks like Beck who connect progressive to socialist to communist.  People listen to this stuff, and the term is becoming increasingly linked to the desired death of capitalism and individuality.
Those of you who have a warm feeling for the term are in for a rocky road.

[oabmarcus]

LOL look whos talking, the Press is controlled by the libs... I thought you knew that by now...

How? Rupert Murdoch's Fox "News" is more powerful than any other media news channel i know. Everyone in the industry want to work for FOX! they are making money!

The fact is that the mainstream media caters to the right more often to the left. The people who do business with them are large corporations, who generally support right wing talking points. So, how can the poor and the middle class (which democratic party is supposedly supported by) control press, which sleeps in the same bed as huge corporations? Answer this question! and don't just tell more of your lies. You have so far explained nothing but fabricating BS, pulling stuff out of your ass, out of thin- air. Which i must admit, is not the first nor the last time i've seen that coming from a Republican.