Scottish Independence Referendum

[Ken B]

Hmmm. What got under snyprrr's kilt?

[Karl Henning]

I think he applied the kilt pin on the wrong side of the kilt.

[Florestan]

i'M JUST CONCERNED FOR THE COMMON PEOPLE

Yeah, that's what SNP says,too. And once independence is proclaimed, guess who will benefit from it in terms of power and money? The common people, for sure... 

Hitler was fighting in the name of the common people... Mussolini too... Stalin as well...

Oy vey!..whenever I hear common people being invoked I smell danger... run as fast as I can...

Did I just write that?

[Ken B]

Threats already
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11091801/Big-business-warned-of-day-of-reckoning-if-Scots-vote-Yes.html

[Florestan]

Threats already
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11091801/Big-business-warned-of-day-of-reckoning-if-Scots-vote-Yes.html

Oh yes, Sillard, another demagogue who will climb up to power on the common people's back! 

[Ten thumbs]

The people of Scotland are supposed to weigh up the pros and cons. Interestingly, the pros are good for everybody and the cons are scaremongering! Is this an adult debate?

[Todd]

Interestingly, the pros are good for everybody and the cons are scaremongering! Is this an adult debate?

I haven't followed the debate in great detail, but when I see a claim like "the pros are good for everybody", I get the feeling that arguments have been oversimplified and/or misrepresented.

[Brian]

The people of Scotland are supposed to weigh up the pros and cons. Interestingly, the pros are good for everybody and the cons are scaremongering! Is this an adult debate?

Has Alex Salmond been scaremongering that much?

[Que]

I have a feeling that the Scottish need for self rule has been fueled by the British failure to amend their political system in which  "the winner takes all"... This has left the Scots being ruled for decades by governements that they in majority did not desire. It is not not hard the see many get realy fed up by ending up at the short end of the stick time and time again.What exactly do they get in return for their loyality to Westminster? Nuclear submarines?

The irony of it all is, hat the electoral position of the champions of the Old System - the Conservatives - will only benefit when the relatively more liberal and progressive Scots pack their bags. If a more conservative Britain subsequently decides to leave the EU, a smaller and more isolated UK will be left behind.

That does not seem a good idea for anyone. But the prerequisite for a solution seems IMO a willingness amongst Britain's political elite to consider major changes. This is a wake up call.

And the Britsh ruling elite has now amply shown to Spain how it should NOT be done: no threads and ridiculing, but open dialogue and a willingness to listen and to change things.

Q

[Ken B]

I have a feeling that the Scottish need for self rule has been fueled by the British failure to amend their political system in which  "the winner takes all"... This has left the Scots being ruled for decades by governements that they in majority did not desire. It is not not hard the see many get realy fed up by ending up at the short end of the stick time and time again.What exactly do they get in return for their loyality to Westminster? Nuclear submarines?

The irony of it all is, hat the electoral position of the champions of the Old System - the Conservatives - will only benefit when the relatively more liberal and progressive Scots pack their bags. If a more conservative Britain subsequently decides to leave the EU, a smaller and more isolated UK will be left behind.

That does not seem a good idea for anyone. But the prerequisite for a solution seems IMO a willingness amongst Britain's political elite to consider major changes. This is a wake up call.

And the Britsh ruling elite has now amply shown to Spain how it should NOT be done: no threads and ridiculing, but open dialogue and a willingness to listen and to change things.

Q

I think your first two points conflict. Scotland votes Labour. And Labour was in power for quite a while.
Separatist movements don't arise over short term policy disputes anyway. Quebec has traditionally been very over represented in Canada's federal government, yet is the only province with separatists. This is about identity and culture.

England is hardly isolated. London is the financial capital of Europe, and arguably the cultural one too.

[snyprrr]

Yeah, that's what SNP says,too. And once independence is proclaimed, guess who will benefit from it in terms of power and money? The common people, for sure... 

Hitler was fighting in the name of the common people... Mussolini too... Stalin as well...

Oy vey!..whenever I hear common people being invoked I smell danger... run as fast as I can...

Did I just write that?

Sorry! You're right!!

KILL 'EM ALL!!

"No man,... no problem!"

[snyprrr]

Well, the journalist might have said business prefers certainty.  This is true of small businesses, too.

We don't know the details, but we just want to break away isn't what any businessman likes the future to look like.

Let the Scots eat haggis for a year, go back to ye olden dayes for a wee while,... gather thayre strengthe... aye... and THENE!!... STRIKE!! at thee hearte of thayre enaemies!!

aye


... they shall melt into the landscape...

[springrite]

If history taught us anything,  it is that the Scots will lose bravely.

[Ken B]

If history taught us anything,  it is that the Scots will lose bravely.

Yes might be the greatest English victory since Culloden. 

[Karl Henning]

Not so fast

[Florestan]

Not so fast

I took the quizz.

72% correct answers.

[Todd]

90% - apparently I'm an Anglophile and didn't even know it.

[kishnevi]

I got them all correct.  Apparently I am actually a Brit....
Pedant I am, I did note that the test incorrectly described 1066 as the last successful military invasion of England.  The last was actually by another William,  William III, and the Wars of the Roses saw some too, most notably Edward IV retaking his throne from Henry VI and Henry VII's overthrow of Richard III.

[Florestan]

90% - apparently I'm an Anglophile and didn't even know it.

Change your avatar immediately.

I got them all correct.  Apparently I am actually a Brit....

Change your avatar immediately.

[snyprrr]

what? shouldn't we be keeping tabs today?

Is Scots John back from stuffing the ballot box?


Will Scots worldwide have a "Right of Return"? (persecuted as we are)