Quiz: Mystery scores

Luke · September 18, 2014, 04:05:10 PM

Luke · September 18, 2014, 04:06:23 PM

Next up, then, a list of the post-2013 2nd Generation Mystery Scores, as they stand at present....

Here it is, the long-awaited up-to-date list:

Set by EigenUser
1 - Ligeti - Clocks and Clouds - Sfz
2 - Bartok - Piano concerto 1 - amw (I think this is a PC, I can't see the pic any more, and amw just says Bartok 1, could be an SQ I suppose...)
3 - Gershwin - Cuban Overture - Sfz
4 - Biber - Mystery Sonata XI - amw (I may have these two the wrong way round)
also another in here somewhere, I casn't work them out now the pics are gone - but it was Hermann - Psycho - Maciek
5 - Ravel - Un barque sur l'ocean - amw
6 - Debussy - Jeux - amw
7 - Ives - Central Park in the Dark - amw
8 - Stravinsky - Agon - amw
9 - ? -
10 - Schoenberg - op 16 in chamber arr - Luke
11 - Messiaen - Des Canyons - amw
12 - Schoenberg - Piano Concerto - Sfz
13 - Ohana - Piano Concerto - amw
14 - Mackey - Ars Moriendi - Maciek
15 - Milhaud - Suite en sol - Maciek
16 - Schoenberg op 9 in pno arr - Luke
17 - Debussy - Sirenes in pno arr - Luke
18 - ? -
19 - Ligeti - Nouvelles Aventures - Luke
20 - ? -
21 - ? -
22 - ? -

Set by amw
1 - Rorem - Piano concerto for the Left Hand - lescamil
2 - Ades -Asyla - lescamil
3 - ? -
4 - Grieg - Slatter - Sfz
5 - Janacek - Riklada - revealed by amw (and yes, amw, as you guess, I would have got it!)
6 - ? -
7 - Grisey - Quatre Chants pour franchir le Seuil - Rappy
8 - Berio - Visage - revealed by amw
9 - Debussy - Etude (pour les sonorites opposees) - Luke
10 - Dutilleux - ainsi la nuit - EigenUser
11 - Lachenmann - Tanzsuite mit Deutschlandlied - Luke
12 - Sorabji - Opus Clavicembalisticum - Luke
13 - ? -
14 - van Dieren - String Quartet no 2 - Luke

Set by Luke
seeing as the two threads, old and new, are now merged, I'm going to have to renumber my new ones. So double numbering on these first few, and any future ones will revert to the old system
483/1 - Falla - Psyche - Sfz
484/2 - Stravinksy - Chorale from Tombeau de Debussy - amw
485/3 - Froberger - Lamentation/Ferdinand III - amw
486/4 - Dussek - Sorrows of Marie Antoinette - amw
487/5 - Chisholm - Piobaireachd - Maciek
488/6 - de la Rue - Requiem - Sfz
489/7 - Ravel - Menuet (posth) - Maciek
490/8 - ? -
491/9 - ? -
492/10 - ? -
493/11 - ? -
494/12 - ? -
495/13 - ? -
496/14 - Niemann - Hamburg - Maciek
497/15 - Niemann - Phantisien im Bremer Ratskeller - revealed by Luke
498/16 - Schulhoff - Duo - Maciek
499/17 - Veress - String Trio - Maciek
500/18 - Schikele - The Short-Tempered Clavier - composer guessed by amw, piece revealed by Luke
501/19 - Berberian - Stripsody - Dax
502/20 - Swann - The Road Goes Ever On - Maciek
503/21 - And the same to you - Dudley Moore - Maciek
504/22 - Wallfisch -- Chopin's Waterloo - Maciek
505/23 - Davies - The Matrix Soundtrack - Maciek
506/24 - ? -
507/25 - Delage - Ragmalika - revealed by Luke after he messed up and left the piece identified in his clues

508/26 - Messiaen - Cinq Rechants - lescamil
509/27 - ? -
510/28 - Maxwell Davies - ? - amw got the composer
511/29 - Pfitzner - Palestrina - Maciek
512/30 - ? -
513/31 - Stephan - Music for Orchestra - Maciek
514/32 - Wayne - War of the Worlds - Maciek
515/33 - Debussy - Pierrot - Maciek with honourable mention to mc ukrneal
516/34 - Adams - Johns Book of Alleged Dances - amw
517/35 - Berg - Chamber Concerto in Clarinet/Violin/Pno arr by Berg - amw/Karl
518/36 - Berio - Cries of London - Maciek
519/37 - Boulez - Messagesquisse - amw
520/38 - Britten - The Little Sweep - listener -

Phew - that took a while!! Clues on mine will have to wait till tomorrow, I think....

EigenUser · September 18, 2014, 05:05:59 PM

Quote from: Luke on September 18, 2014, 11:02:27 AM
more...

The Boulez looks an awful lot like Ligeti (his Patented DiagonalScorePatternDesign!), but I know pretty much all of Ligeti's output so I wouldn't have guessed him. Had I noticed the instrumentation I would have guessed the Boulez, but then I saw amw got it

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Thanks for doing the lists! I need to fix the old pictures. I never deleted any Dropbox files so I'm not sure why they don't show up anymore. amw posted the Biber sonata, though.

The first one was also Clocks and Clouds, but it wasn't a good picture and it was hard to guess from the section. You can ignore it.

Luke · September 18, 2014, 05:10:28 PM

Cool, I've amended the list to show that, though there are still a few of yours that confuse me at the moment. All will be cleared up if you're able to put the images back.

Yes, the Boulez has a much more geometrically neat appearance than one would expect, much more Ligeti-like, I agree. It's a really nifty piece, I reckon.

EigenUser · September 18, 2014, 06:01:26 PM

Quote from: Luke on September 18, 2014, 05:10:28 PM
Cool, I've amended the list to show that, though there are still a few of yours that confuse me at the moment. All will be cleared up if you're able to put the images back.

Yes, the Boulez has a much more geometrically neat appearance than one would expect, much more Ligeti-like, I agree. It's a really nifty piece, I reckon.

I'll give it a listen tomorrow. I've only heard about it, and 8 cellos seems like an unusual orchestration to me that stands out.

All of my pictures are showing up now, at least to me. For some reason, the source link changed.

amw · September 18, 2014, 07:05:28 PM

Luke's 481 should be the Martinů quartet for clarinet, horn, violoncello and snare drum. And is 510 not Vesalii icones? I don't know nearly enough from PMD's "good period", think I should fix that sometime.

For the Froberger the key is the only clue I can think of as he didn't write much at all in F minor. A quick search reveals that it is the Lamentation on the Death of Ferdinand III, but I'm not sure I could have guessed that from the excerpt alone (though what I was going to guess, the Tombeau de M. Blancrocher, is on the previous page in the same book and rather similar in style >.>)

Luke · September 18, 2014, 09:10:36 PM

Could be the Martinu, yes! Sounds very likely. I will try to check later, but I no longer have that score. It was all so long ago now....

No, the MD is something else. As I say, there is a clue in the music.

The Froberger is the one you found, obviously - the clue is the final 3 notes - FFF, at the top of a rising arpeggio = Ferdinand 3rd, risen to heaven. Amazing stuff, Froberger.

listener · September 18, 2014, 11:47:34 PM

2-38 Britten: Let's ~~Fake~~ Make an Opera?

Karl Henning · September 19, 2014, 03:51:28 AM

Quote from: Luke on September 18, 2014, 04:06:23 PM
Phew - that took a while!!

No kidding; I applaud you!

Luke · September 19, 2014, 11:12:40 AM

Quote from: listener on September 18, 2014, 11:47:34 PM
2-38 Britten: Let's ~~Fake~~ Make an Opera?

Yes, basically. The Little Sweep, which is of course the opera in question. Nice work.

Karl Henning · September 19, 2014, 11:14:45 AM

Quote from: Luke on September 18, 2014, 04:05:10 PM

Set by Karl
28 - ? -
46 - ? -
49 - ? -

Sheesh, those three are a mystery to me, no less than to others, by now . . . .

Luke · September 19, 2014, 01:24:35 PM

OK, some clues for my remaining ones, including the new ones:

487/5 - There is a connection between both this one and 24 with a big item in today's news (the biggest item if you live where I do). Among other surprising facts, the composer of this piece has deep connections to Bartok, both musical and personal, and they are clearest, perhaps, in the pieces from which this page comes - Chisholm - Piobaireachd - Maciek
489/7 - amw said Satie here, he's not far off. The composer of this piece had close associations with Satie, including giving premieres of some of Satie's most important pieces, but he's much more famous in his own right (in fact very famous indeed, more than Satie). This is a little-known work in a genre that the composer explored more famously in a few other works. Ravel - Menuet (posth) - Maciek
490/8 - Homage to composer of the next piece....
491/9 - Piano transcription by the composer of one of his own songs. Play it - the composer is pretty obvious, I think, and it is very close in style to some of his well-known piano works
492/10 - Mega obscure (though it is recorded on Naxos), this comes from a large collection of harpsichord pieces grouped by key. This one is pretty extraordinary in sound, and worth a listen.
493/11 - very famous composer, fairly clear who it is, I think, from the piano style here, this piece, though not as well-known as many of his other works, is thought by some to be his hardest.
494/12 - Hard to give a clue here, the composer is quite obscure but these pieces are very interesting. The main feature you can see here (think in general terms about what looks interesting, I mean) is the subject of all the pieces in the set. The composer fathered three more composers, whose work is maybe slightly better known.
495/13 - incredible piece, this, the only work I have seen by the composer, who is much better known as a theorist.
496/14 - The piece quotes Brahms, as Sfz noted. The set it comes from is concerned with Brahms's home town. The composer is fascinating, though hardly great - what fascinates is his blatant copying of other composers - I'll give some examples when he is identified. Niemann - Hamburg - Maciek
497/15 ~~- Same composer as above. Very clever and witty clue which will help searching in the music.~~ Niemann - Phantasien im Bremer Ratskeller - revealed by Luke
502/20 ~~- The source of the text has been identified. The composer did write a fair amount of serious music but is much better known for his comic songs~~ Swann - The Road Goes Ever On - Maciek
503/21 - ~~Play it, listen to it, google what you notice, you have the answer.~~ And the Same to You - Dudley Moore - Maciek
505/23 - ~~I imagine a large number of us have heard this piece, though we may not have noticed it at the time. Just follow the white rabbit...~~ Davies - The Matrix - Maciek
506/24 - See number 5, though obviously this is a very different composer. I knew this piece pretty well when I was a young laddie...
~~507/25 - Delage Ragamalika~~ Idiotically left the title of this one in this very list, so had no choice but to reveal it, sorry!
509/27 - Chopin, upside down, as has been noted. Very near to identifying this, then - the composer isn't one I would have guessed at instantly.
512/30 - Mozart, played with, and over the page, about to be played with a lot more. What style would the original lend itself to?
513/31 - Not Hausegger, but that was a good guess. Composer died young around 100 years ago, so maybe you can guess how. Only wrote a few pieces, but very impressive and recorded a few times. The one vocal work of his I've heard is the closest I've heard any other composer sound to Schoeck (which is a big plus in my book) Stephan - Music for Orchestra - Maciek
514/32 - ~~Hugely famous piece - look at the instrumentation, look at the music itself, play along...~~ Wayne - War od the Worlds - Maciek
515/33 - ~~Well, we've got this down to either Debussy or Poulenc. Given that I said I was surprised that this composer wrote this piece, you can probably guess which one it is...~~ Debussy - Pierrot - Maciek with honourable mention to mc ukrneal
518/36 - ~~Read the text, it gives a good clue as to the character of the texts throughout this piece, and once that's identified the piece ought to be quite easy to get.~~ Berio - Cries of London - Maciek

(poco) Sforzando · September 19, 2014, 02:46:21 PM

518/36 - Read the text, it gives a good clue as to the character of the texts throughout this piece, and once that's identified the piece ought to be quite easy to get.

"Powder Her Face" by Adès?

(poco) Sforzando · September 19, 2014, 02:51:48 PM

505/23 - I imagine a large number of us have heard this piece, though we may not have noticed it at the time. Just follow the white rabbit...

One of Del Tredici's Alice pieces?

EigenUser · September 19, 2014, 03:28:23 PM

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on September 19, 2014, 02:51:48 PM
505/23 - I imagine a large number of us have heard this piece, though we may not have noticed it at the time. Just follow the white rabbit...

One of Del Tredici's Alice pieces?

The violin and piano lines made me think that it was the overture to Vertigo for a second, but when I zoomed in this wasn't the case.

Luke · September 20, 2014, 12:49:17 AM

None of these are correct, but the Vertigo guess is closer than the others.

Luke · September 20, 2014, 02:20:05 AM

I just noticed that I didn't give a clue to one of mine. Trying to keep myself organised, I made a list of my unidentified ones and then one-by-one replaced the names of the pieces with the clues...except on one, where I forgot to give a clue and just left the name in by mistake. Ooops

No one has noticed yet, it seems, but I might as well reveal it anyway: no 25, Ragamalika by Delage. Love those oriental melismas...

link to clues for my scores, updated as pieces are identified/revealed
link to all current scores, updated as we go

Luke · September 20, 2014, 12:52:15 PM

New one, just for fun (just listened to this, it's quite a piece). Page 3 and the last page, just to give you extra clues, but it's only one score.

Maciek · September 20, 2014, 01:43:20 PM

Don't think I know the new one you posted.

Here are three replies. Actually, would love to chat a bit longer about the first one, but want to get to know it a little better first.

Quote from: Luke on September 19, 2014, 01:24:35 PM
513/31 - Not Hausegger, but that was a good guess. Composer died young around 100 years ago, so maybe you can guess how. Only wrote a few pieces, but very impressive and recorded a few times. The one vocal work of his I've heard is the closest I've heard any other composer sound to Schoeck (which is a big plus in my book)

Rudi Stephan - Music for orchestra. Quite fascinating.

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515/33 - Well, we've got this down to either Debussy or Poulenc. Given that I said I was surprised that this composer wrote this piece, you can probably guess which one it is...

Debussy - Pierrot. (Sorry if I was supposed to leave this to mc ukrneal who did 99.9% of the job...)

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518/36 - Read the text, it gives a good clue as to the character of the texts throughout this piece, and once that's identified the piece ought to be quite easy to get.

Berio - Cries of London. Sounds more traditional than it looks?

Luke · September 20, 2014, 02:11:28 PM

Those are all correct, well done. And yes, Rudi Stephan is fascinating, I agree. Really individual, promising composer.

Will amend the list soon!