Coronavirus thread

[Florestan]

From Reuters:

In Singapore, where Delta is the most common variant, government officials reported on Friday that three quarters of its coronavirus cases occurred among vaccinated individuals, though none were severely ill.

Israeli health officials have said 60% of current hospitalized COVID-19 cases are in vaccinated people. Most of them are age 60 or older and often have underlying health problems.

[Holden]

Canberra locked down? Does that include those dickbrain politicians? I certainly feckin hope so!!!!! If not then the whole thing is a farce. Would Pollies class themselves as essential workers? Yep!

[MusicTurner]

So there isn't a single politician you can identify with ? 

[Mandryka]

Massive testing, where all samples are diagnosed, is considered a very important part of the relatively successful Danish strategy. As far as I remember, it worked well in say Korea too. Delta is 95% here in DK, but the disease is less serious than before, and here we operate with areas on parish level, that can be closed down.

It's interesting -- how big is a parish?

[MusicTurner]

Between a few hundreds and +20,000. Average is 2600. Sometimes, the parish borders have collided with actual circumstances and ~funny borders, however. There has been very few lock-downs though, I think maybe a dozen or less.

[krummholz]

From Reuters:

In Singapore, where Delta is the most common variant, government officials reported on Friday that three quarters of its coronavirus cases occurred among vaccinated individuals, though none were severely ill.

Israeli health officials have said 60% of current hospitalized COVID-19 cases are in vaccinated people. Most of them are age 60 or older and often have underlying health problems.

The question, of course, is what percentage of people are vaccinated? If 100% if the population were vaccinated, then 100% of the cases would be in vaccinated people. The higher the percentage of people who are vaccinated, the higher the percentage of cases will be breakthrough cases - that is to be expected.

[Mandryka]

Between a few hundreds and +20,000. Average is 2600. Sometimes, the parish borders have collided with actual circumstances and ~funny borders, however. There has been very few lock-downs though, I think maybe a dozen or less.

What I'm guessing is that R0 of delta is lower in Denmark than in England, for example, because the population is more sparsely distributed. People just come into contact with each other a lot less. How well is the disease controlled in the major urban conglomerations?

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Canberra, a city of 400,000, closing down for 7 days because of 1 identified case. Well that, I think, does look like an over-reaction. Some massive testing should do, one would think. Australia lies very low as regards vaccinated people, 20%, but the fatality rate has also been comparatively low.

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In DK, we're past 60% of totally vaccinated people, and 74% partly vaccinated. As it's been the case for some time, problems and sickness/hospitalizations are now mainly in the unvaccinated group younger than 40 years, and in certain, especially immigrant, areas. Yet, there's only around 100 hospitalized in the entire country, and fatalities are 0 or 1 on a daily basis. Teenagers are also being vaccinated to a higher degree now.

The official strategy will focus less on daily infection numbers, it's being said - which seems to be implicitly signalling an acceptance of a certain, permanent infection level within the foreseeable future. Vaccinations will be carried through to the highest degree possible, due to their obvious effects here, but it's still considered unlikely they'll soon be obligatory for all.

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Today, a couple of very long interviews with a Danish expert engaged in the WHO investigations in China, complaining about opposition from some Chinese authorities, and not ruling out a lab fault resulting in the virus outbreak, though it must be pointed out, it's only one of 4 scenarios:

1. transmission directly from bat to a human
2. transmission indirectly via some product, from bat to human
3. transmission from bat to another animal, then to human
4. transmission via lab errors

The sickness was likely much more widespread, when the alleged Patient Zero got it. One important laboratory was moved on the 2nd December, which is a risky business. 200,000 local blood tests from that month haven't been investigated. In the main lab, they had apes in cages. The WHO team didn't get access to lab documents or tests. Overall, the lab possibility hasn't been investigated in a scientific way.

The interviews are of course in Danish. If interested, use Google translate.
https://nyheder.tv2.dk/udland/2021-08-12-ansat-paa-laboratorie-i-wuhan-kan-vaere-smittet-af-flagermus-som-den-foerste-siger
https://nyheder.tv2.dk/udland/2021-08-12-dansker-var-chef-for-whos-mission-til-wuhan-maaske-er-nogen-slet-ikke-interesseret

Wow, one case and they closed down an entire city!     I'm surprised too that the vaccination percentage is so low in Australia.  Any idea why?

Glad to hear that the vaccination rate is so high in Denmark...good job!

I had found maps by county in the US which showed number of infections.  There were two of them:  one roughly from mid-July(?) of this year and the other about a month later; shocking to see how quickly things went south.  Alas, I can't remember where I saw them though.  I was hoping to provide a link to them here.

PD

[Holden]

So there isn't a single politician you can identify with ? 

No

[Florestan]

No

Me neither. There is no single politician or party in my country which I can identify with. I've always voted rather against a party or politician than for another.

[Florestan]

The question, of course, is what percentage of people are vaccinated? If 100% if the population were vaccinated, then 100% of the cases would be in vaccinated people. The higher the percentage of people who are vaccinated, the higher the percentage of cases will be breakthrough cases - that is to be expected.

This is a good point, certainly. Yet the fact that vaccinated people can get, and transmit, the disease just as easy as the non-vaccinated ones should give pause to anyone contemplating, supporting or implementing discrimination against the latter.

[Karl Henning]

This is a good point, certainly. Yet the fact that vaccinated people can get, and transmit, the disease just as easy as the non-vaccinated ones should give pause to anyone contemplating, supporting or implementing discrimination against the latter.

Twaddle. Have you been drinking that you think what I have italicized above is a fact? Looks fresh off the page of a tabloid.

Why are you so emotionally involved in defending the vaccine-deniers? (rhetorical question)

Slammed Louisiana Coroner on Why His State Is 'Way Behind' in the COVID Fight
Spiking caseloads and long lines at ERs have the vaccination rate ticking up in Louisiana—but Dr. Charles Preston says it's not nearly enough.

[Karl Henning]

And speaking of the irrational and self-righteous:

Aides Warned Trump About Anti-Vax MAGA Fans. He Did Nothing.
"I have practically begged him to get out there constantly and make videos calling on his supporters who are hesitant to get their shots," one person close to Trump said.

[Karl Henning]

No hypocrisy on the part of Trumpist Republicans can surprise anyone.

Rand Paul discloses 16 months late that his wife bought stock in company behind covid treatment

[Karl Henning]

Hospitals struggle with staff shortages in coronavirus hot spots

"I wake up every night and ask myself, 'What else can I be doing?' " said Maggie Hansen, senior vice president and chief nurse executive at Memorial, where the census of patients with covid-19 has soared from about 100 four weeks ago to 670 on Wednesday.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

I found those maps that I had mentioned earlier--showing how quickly Covid-19 had engulfed the United States again. 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/11/health/one-month-later-these-maps-show-how-quickly-covid-engulfed-the-us-again/index.html

One map is from July 5, 2021 and the other is dated August 9, 2021.  There are also other maps (scroll down) showing the progression of the virus.

PD

[Karl Henning]

Trump has blood on his hands. But the MAGA-verse don't care none.

[T. D.]

Trump has blood on his hands. But the MAGA-verse don't care none.

As has been written...

[MusicTurner]

What I'm guessing is that R0 of delta is lower in Denmark than in England, for example, because the population is more sparsely distributed. People just come into contact with each other a lot less. How well is the disease controlled in the major urban conglomerations?

I really don't know why the Delta R seems lower in DK. The urban percentage of the population in DK is 88, in England it's apparently 83 (UK gov source from 2021 regarding England). Spreading tends to be bigger in urban areas in DK, especially those with lower vaccine share or lower virus precaution awareness, plus a dense population, say also per habitation unit. Only Pfizer and Moderna are used, and no other vaccines. It's being said however that the number of cases will probably go up now due to opening, autumn, and the end of school holidays, etc.

[Pohjolas Daughter]

I read on the BBC's website earlier today that apparently a nurse in Northern Germany injected some people with saline solution rather than a vaccine.  They're not certain how many she did this to.  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58186032

PD