Let's have some fun. We might have done this before, I can't recall. Oh yeah and if you can think of a better title, let me know.
The Rules
Okay here are the rules: whoever has control post a clip no less than 20 seconds and more than 1 minute in duration (sharing such clips is considered fair use by Rob himself). Each poster is allowed one guess, and the first to name the piece correctly gets control to then post a clip. If you win, but are either unable or unwilling to post a clip then you can choose who you want to pass control to.
Here's the thing to not get stuck in a particular era, each clip must be in a different era from the one posted immediately before. Also after several posts if no one can guess, then whoever posted the clip still retains control and posts another clip. If any one poster has control for three consecutive rounds in a roll he must pass control to someone else. These two rules ensure that we don't get stuck in a rut.
Please don't make it too easy (like the 1812 overture) or too hard (a recitative from Salieri's 37th opera). Oh yeah you have to wait for the one with control to declare you the winner before you gain control and the next round begins.
How to Post a Clip
The mp3 function doesn't seem to work anymore, but 4shared still allows imbedded playing when you click on a link, so first step is go to http://www.4shared.com/ (http://www.4shared.com/) and create an account.
You should download and install Audacity, a program that will allow you to make a clip. Go to http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/ (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/) and do so.
You need music on your pc, download and install itunes, eac, dbpoweramp, winamp pro etc and configure to import music as mp3, wav or flac.
Choose the mp3 file you want in audacity, and then choose the clip you want and trim it, export the file and upload to 4shared. When you do this be sure to delete all tag info! as that would give it way and name the file something non-descriptive. Go to file:///C:/Program%20Files%20%28x86%29/Audacity%201.3%20Beta%20%28Unicode%29/help/manual/man/tutorial_editing_an_existing_file/index.html (http://file:///C:/Program%20Files%20%28x86%29/Audacity%201.3%20Beta%20%28Unicode%29/help/manual/man/tutorial_editing_an_existing_file/index.html) after you've installed audacity for details on how to do that. When you export it choose a constant bitrate somewhere in the range of 128-192 to be (a) compatible with all browsers and (b) not strain low speed connections. Upload to 4shared which you will find when you login.
Let's Play
What piece is this?
A.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/audio/NGMxCPoo/A_online.html)
Is that programme music? Because I get the image of a violet and white cardboard box when I listen to the music. :D
P.S.: My computer doesn't have a C: drive. :P
Quote from: Opus106 on May 27, 2011, 12:34:00 PM
P.S.: My computer doesn't have a C: drive. :P
Well I don't think you need a tutorial in how to upload a clip of music Mr super computer dude. ;D
Quote from: mozartfan on May 27, 2011, 09:18:49 AMWhat piece is this?
http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/8/30/2559462//A.mp3 (http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/8/30/2559462//A.mp3)
It's a variation on Cage's 4'33" called 00:00
Do I win?
Haha what? Does it not load for you? :D
Loads for me. It's something from the 1700s classical-era heyday. The recording sounds analog and full 'romantic' orchestra, which means the music is famous enough for big-name artists to record it. Based on style and lightness, and your username ;) , I'd say a youthful Mozart serenade.
Quote from: mozartfan on May 27, 2011, 03:09:31 PM
Haha what? Does it not load for you? :D
I see a little control with a play button in my browser window but it is unresponsive.
Very warm Brian, I think I'll just give it to you as that will be as close as we'll get unless the super classical dudes come pouring in! ;D
It is Mozart's Posthorn Serenade, KV 320 the last of the Salzburg serenades. And it is indeed performed by Mackerras and the Prague Chamber Orchestra. The sound is warm and sounds analog, but surprisingly is digital. It has that funny tubby sound from the acoustics that I believe drives Scarpia up the wall. ;D
Your turn, something other than classical era. :)
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on May 27, 2011, 03:16:56 PM
I see a little control with a play button in my browser window but it is unresponsive.
What browser? I'll have to look into this. :-\
Quote from: mozartfan on May 27, 2011, 03:20:09 PM
Very warm Brian, I think I'll just give it to you as that will be as close as we'll get unless the super classical dudes come pouring in! ;D
It is Mozart's Posthorn Serenade, KV 320 the last of the Salzburg serenades. And it is indeed performed by Mackerras and the Prague Chamber Orchestra. The sound is warm and sounds analog, but surprisingly is digital. It has that funny tubby sound from the acoustics that I believe drives Scarpia up the wall. ;D
Your turn, something other than classical era. :)
If it is this recording
[asin]B000003CTI[/asin]
then you couldn't be more off on my audio preferences. I've rarely heard a Telarc recording that wasn't superb, and the ones with Mackerras and the Prague Chamber orchestra are particularly outstanding.
Quote from: mozartfan on May 27, 2011, 03:20:51 PM
What browser? I'll have to look into this. :-\
Chrome on Vista.
Yup that's the recording, I guess if you had heard the sample you would have been all over it. Oh well I'm going to look into it.
Quote from: mozartfan on May 27, 2011, 03:25:09 PM
Yup that's the recording, I guess if you had heard the sample you would have been all over it.
No way I would have recognized it unless it was the passage with the imitation of a post-horn.
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on May 27, 2011, 03:28:02 PM
No way I would have recognized it unless it was the passage with the imitation of a post-horn.
If I did that passage it would be too easy, I picked the Andantino. I see what you mean with chrome (and IE it turns out). Fileden seemed to make the play feature only work with Firefox. I went with Fileden because that was what was discussed on the thread in the news room. I'm going to see if I can find a different file share site that will allow streaming that works with at least IE, FF and Chrome.
Bingo, found a site that will work with Chrome, IE and Firefox.
A.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/audio/NGMxCPoo/A_online.html)
:)
I've also updated my how to, removing fileden and replacing it with 4shared which offers much less advertising and spam and also works with all browsers.
Oh blerg! I know in my mind when I imagine getting to do things like this, the ideas just overflow for different pieces to use, and right now a really interesting one presents itself to me, but it would involve ripping a CD. As it's 1 AM here, and my usual creative overflow of ideas is at a standstill, I'll just toss this one out there and check back tomorrow morning to see what clip [redacted guess of which poster will guess correctly] will post after supplying the correct answer.
Clip B! (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/clipB.mp3)
P.S. Still think 'Posthorn' must be famous enough someone would have known it ... even though I've never heard the whole piece! ???
I'm sure I've never heard it before. It has an eastern sound to it, Russian maybe, something by Rimsky-Korsakov, Borodin maybe?
don't know.but FYI the Quicktime player works with these clips .
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on May 27, 2011, 05:48:58 PM
I'm sure I've never heard it before. It has an eastern sound to it, Russian maybe, something by Rimsky-Korsakov, Borodin maybe?
Hmmm. I thought it sounded French, in the style of Ravel/post-Ravel or something. But I don't know the piece.
Quote from: mc ukrneal on May 28, 2011, 12:58:56 PM
Hmmm. I thought it sounded French, in the style of Ravel/post-Ravel or something. But I don't know the piece.
I think so too... in fact I think it's Roussel.
Well, Roussel and Rimsky-Korsakov are such interesting guesses that I think I'll leave this open for another day! Neither is the true composer. Any more thoughts, gents?
Quote from: Brian on May 28, 2011, 01:41:03 PM
Well, Roussel and Rimsky-Korsakov are such interesting guesses that I think I'll leave this open for another day! Neither is the true composer. Any more thoughts, gents?
Bruckner, Symphony No 0000?
Okay, fellas, I'm about to embark on a week-long road trip in, say, two hours, so I release you guys from the challenge. First person to reply gets to post a new clip.
Mine was the scherzo from Englishman George Lloyd's Symphony No 5, as performed by the BBC Philharmonic under the composer's own baton. Believe it or not, the work dates from 1947; Lloyd was a true romantic composer, that is to say, he wasn't writing a pastiche or pandering - this is the style he believed in and the style he lived. There's a great review on Amazon that introduces him ("Rodney Gavin Bullock"), or you can browse his thread here (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,297.0.html).
[asin]B0000049L2[/asin]
I know there are several Lloyd fans around here - Sarge, Glasgow John, Lethe, plus most of the Braga Santos Enthusiasts - and I thought one of them would swoop in and name the work really quickly. Guess not. Oops, sorry guys! Clearly on only Clip B I already broke the system. :(
Frankly, I probably wouldn't have recognised it despite owning several Lloyd discs - I'm awful at these quizzes :) A nice choice of composer to advocate though, his style has potential for wider-appeal.
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 29, 2011, 11:13:45 PM
Frankly, I probably wouldn't have recognised it despite owning several Lloyd discs - I'm awful at these quizzes :) A nice choice of composer to advocate though, his style has potential for wider-appeal.
Well, being the first post after Brian's, I suppose it's your turn to stump us. :)
Quote from: Opus106 on May 30, 2011, 06:59:12 AM
Well, being the first post after Brian's, I suppose it's your turn to stump us. :)
Well actually it's still Brian! He still has control since nobody defeated him. He can turn over control if he wants. But he has two more rounds in him.
Hey Brian, that was too esoteric! ;D If just the composer is something that only 2-4 people on the forum have heard, yeah... please make it easier on the next one. :)
Quote from: mozartfan on May 30, 2011, 07:04:44 AM
Well actually it's still Brian! He still has control since nobody defeated him. He can turn over control if he wants. But he has two more rounds in him.
Hey Brian, that was too esoteric! ;D If just the composer is something that only 2-4 people on the forum have heard, yeah... please make it easier on the next one. :)
Quote from: Brian on May 29, 2011, 10:39:12 PM
Okay, fellas, I'm about to embark on a week-long road trip in, say, two hours, so I release you guys from the challenge. First person to reply gets to post a new clip.
:)
Oh thanks Navneeth, I'm just not here today! :)
Please Lethe not too esoteric!! ;D And yes Langgaard is esoteric, but just in case... I'm guessing Langgaard! :D
Mystery Piece Number Three (http://www.4shared.com/audio/mCN4fMuy/Secret.html)
Hint: it's excerpted from the middle - it doesn't begin this way.
Geez that sounds kind of like Berlioz... Romantic for sure, this should be fun! :)
Quote from: Brian on May 29, 2011, 10:39:12 PM
I know there are several Lloyd fans around here - Sarge, Glasgow John, Lethe...and I thought one of them would swoop in and name the work really quickly. Guess not. Oops, sorry guys!
I just noticed this thread. It was all over before I got here :(
Sarge
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 30, 2011, 07:44:36 AM
Mystery Piece Number Three (http://www.4shared.com/audio/mCN4fMuy/Secret.html)
Hint: it's excerpted from the middle - it doesn't begin this way.
Berlioz Corsair Overture
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 30, 2011, 08:00:56 AM
Berlioz Corsair Overture
;___: Well played, sir - your go!
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 30, 2011, 08:03:45 AM
;___: Well played, sir - your go!
Uh, this will take a bit of time. I just downloaded Audacity. Now I have to figure out how to use it. Give me a few minutes (or hours ;D )
Sarge
Try the C drive link Sarge after you've installed it, it's step by step instructions helped me. You'll get it sorted soon, but if not feel free to bug Navneeth our resident pc expert! :D
Nah I kid, feel free to bug me. :)
I'm just curious, David: is Windows Movie Maker not capable of making audio clips?
Cor, I need a newer machine to have Movie Maker . . . .
OTOH, I've got Audacity on the home PC.
Quote from: Opus106 on May 30, 2011, 08:16:38 AM
I'm just curious, David: is Windows Movie Maker not capable of making audio clips?
Sadly I think it only takes movies and photos, else yeah that would be easier. :-\ FYI I'm sure there are other programs out there, I chose Audacity for a how to just because I know it, and it seems pretty straight forward to use.
Quote from: mozartfan on May 30, 2011, 08:24:13 AM
Sadly I think it only takes movies and photos, else yeah that would be easier. :-\ FYI I'm sure there are other programs out there, I chose Audacity for a how to just because I know it, and it seems pretty straight forward to use.
I'm having trouble. I got the music imported into Audacity but can't yet figure out how to snip it to make a short clip. As a last resort I'll read the directions but, you know, I'm a man and it really
will be the last resort ;D
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 30, 2011, 08:32:49 AM
I'm having trouble. I got the music imported into Audacity but can't yet figure out how to snip it to make a short clip.
Select an area of the "project" and ctrl-X; do that around the bit you wish to use, and export the entire project as an mp3 file.
Cor, directions? I didn't know there were any, but I shouldn't have expected your worst enemy to suggest you'd resort to them, Sarge ; )
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 30, 2011, 08:32:49 AM
I'm having trouble. I got the music imported into Audacity but can't yet figure out how to snip it to make a short clip. As a last resort I'll read the directions but, you know, I'm a man and it really will be the last resort ;D
Highlight the section you want and go File > Save highlighted/selection to mp3, or something or other.
You will need the LAME exe (if you don't have it), which can be got from here (http://www.rarewares.org/mp3-lame-bundle.php) (unzip the whole thing into a folder in prog files or something), and when you try saving it, it should ask you to direct Audacity towards where it is.
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 30, 2011, 08:42:05 AM
Highlight the section you want and go File > Save highlighted/selection to mp3, or something or other.
You will need the LAME exe (if you don't have it), which can be got from here (http://www.rarewares.org/mp3-lame-bundle.php) (unzip the whole thing into a folder in prog files or something), and when you try saving it, it should ask you to direct Audacity towards where it is.
I've got the file snipped now but yeah, I need LAME. Getting it now (under lots of pressure here...Mrs. Rock wants to be fed soon! ;D )
Sarge
The latest build of lame won't work with audacity (well at least for me), if that fails you should follow that get lame here button when you try to export to mp3.
Quote from: mozartfan on May 30, 2011, 08:49:49 AM
The latest build of lame won't work with audacity (well at least for me), if that fails you should follow that get lame here button when you try to export to mp3.
It worked for me. I've got the clip now on my desktop. I just need to upload it somewhere.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 30, 2011, 08:54:29 AM
It worked for me. I've got the clip now on my desktop. I just need to upload it somewhere.
Sarge
If it's less than 500kb you can attach it, yes?
And you can also try 4shared it seems pretty easy. If more people like that dropbox that Brian uses I'll be happy to change the instructions. :)
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on May 30, 2011, 08:59:43 AM
If it's less than 500kb you can attach it, yes?
It's 748 unfortunately.
Here it is at 4shared (I hope):
http://www.4shared.com/audio/tdjajFwP/mysteryclip_-_Kopie.html
Sarge
Well I like it, whatever it is! :)
It's a conservatory piece by Wagner. Or Rott. ;D
Quote from: Opus106 on May 30, 2011, 09:11:41 AM
It's a conservatory piece by Wagner. Or Rott. ;D
Mahler's lost concerto! ;D If it turns out to be Richard Strauss I'll have to re-examine my musical tastes. :o
Quote from: Opus106 on May 30, 2011, 09:11:41 AM
It's a conservatory piece by Wagner. Or Rott. ;D
Good guess...especially the Rott. I was seriously considering a Rott piece...but no, I went with something else.
Sarge
Quote from: mozartfan on May 30, 2011, 09:13:07 AM
Mahler's lost concerto! ;D If it turns out to be Richard Strauss I'll have to re-examine my musical tastes. :o
You're getting warmer ;) I have to go feed Mrs. Rock now. I'll check back in about 20 minutes to see if we have a winner.
Sarge
Schmidt 4th?
Well I'm going to throw in my vote for Bohme's trumpet concerto. At least it sounds like late romantic or early 20th century trumpet concerto.
I so thought it was Strauss until I remembered despite his various wind concertos, he had none for this instrument. It could be a solo in one of Pfitzner's works - it sounds in that kind of soundworld, although Drasko's Schmidt sounds plausable too - it doesn't have the dramatic edge that a concerto implies, it could easily fit into a symphony.
Holst, The Mystic Trumpeter? ; )
Just came across this, and I could barely hear it, but I am positive
it is the "Blumine" movement by Mahler, which he dropped from his Symphony #1.
I love how I only mention Pfitzner blind (not knowing his orch works) because I know Sarge likes him ;D Cheating ftw.
Quote from: Drasko on May 30, 2011, 09:26:26 AM
Schmidt 4th?
I almost picked the trumpet theme from Schmidt's First actually...but no.
Quote from: Cato on May 30, 2011, 09:47:02 AM
Just came across this, and I could barely hear it, but I am positive
it is the "Blumine" movement by Mahler, which he dropped from his Symphony #1.
We have a winner. Congratulations, Cato! The clip was taken from a performance by James Judd and the Florida Philharmoniic
(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/mahler/mahler1judd.jpg)
Sarge
Wow I haven't heard that piece in along time!! :o
Well I have a feeling that Cato's puzzler will be challenging!
Quote from: mozartfan on May 30, 2011, 10:51:17 AM
Wow I haven't heard that piece in along time!! :o
Well I have a feeling that Cato's puzzler will be challenging!
Is that how this works?! :D I never checked the rules!
Okay, I have an idea: but now I must discover how to place an excerpt online!
Quote from: Cato on May 30, 2011, 11:39:39 AM
Is that how this works?! :D I never checked the rules!
Okay, I have an idea: but now I must discover how to place an excerpt online!
I've outlined a procedure on the first post, also you may also ask someone to do it for you. That person obviously shouldn't be allowed to guess! :D Also you can also just hand control over to someone else like Brian did. :)
Posting on Cato's behalf:
D.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/audio/Ke2kT3yY/D_online.html)
:)
Well, I have no recollection of ever having heard it before. Generally sounds like a contemporary of early Beethoven. One of those pieces that sounds awesome for 15 seconds or so, until you realize it is not going anywhere. :P Maybe Hummel, or whatnot?
Not sure that it sounds as late as Hummel - it sounds kind of like one of the Mannheim guys, or Vanhal - one of the busy-texture, scuttle-scuttle chaps, with a fine dose of drama as well. But then, it doesn't sound quite as chambery as I would expect from this period - although that may be the performance. The bit around ~28 doesn't sound all that inspiring, so I don't think it could be from anone like Haydn, Beethoven or Mozart. Man, I suck at this game ;D
Actually it sounds too late in style for Mannheim school, I think ;_:
Edit: I just realised. If Gurn is the only person who could guess this, then the next offering could be equally perplexing ;)
It's the finale of Étienne-Nicolas Méhul's (1763-1817) Third Symphony in C major. The boys from Ohio are on a roll ;D
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 31, 2011, 04:34:57 AM
It's the finale of Étienne-Nicolas Méhul's (1763-1817) Third Symphony in C major. The boys from Ohio are on a roll ;D
Sarge
Always! 0:)
To paraphrase the baseball cheer: "Good ear,
Sarge! Good ear!"
Here's the next mystery clip:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/C7AB_u8g/clipmystery_-_Kopie.html
Sarge
Sounds British to me, like Humphrey Searle...maybe his First Symphony?
A lot of that reminds me of Holmboe. I made several much worse guesses before this, but discounted them all. I'm sure this is wrong, but many moments of this gel with my memories of various symphonies by the chap. The more I listen, the more this feels too heart-on-sleeve, though :\
Quote from: klingsor on May 31, 2011, 05:33:50 AM
Sounds British to me, like Humphrey Searle...maybe his First Symphony?
It isn't Searle but the mystery composer was probably influenced by Walton (the work was written about five years after the premiere of the Walton First).
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 06:04:50 AM
A lot of that reminds me of Holmboe. I made several much worse guesses before this, but discounted them all. I'm sure this is wrong, but many moments of this gel with my memories of various symphonies by the chap.
Sorry, not Holmboe. But if he does sound like my composer I'll have to explore his music more thoroughly.
Sarge
So many aspects of it chime as being right in the centre of the style of music I most enjoy, it's slightly perplexing - it'll be cool when somebody IDs it, as I suspect it will already be in my collection somewhere and I can give it a much-needed play ;)
The year you mention sounds dangerously close to one piece I had discounted, by a certain composer from Aldeburgh.
Is it maybe Korngold's symphony?
Quote from: mozartfan on May 31, 2011, 06:44:00 AM
Is it maybe Korngold's symphony?
No...but...
No, I changed my mind. I won't give any hints yet. Too early in the game.
Sarge
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 06:35:24 AM
The year you mention sounds dangerously close to one piece I had discounted, by a certain composer from Aldeburgh.
It's not the Baron if that's who you mean ;)
Sarge
Quote from: Leon on May 31, 2011, 07:02:10 AM
If you're not giving hints, there's Hubert Clifford's Symphony 1940 ...
Not Clifford. I said it was composed "about" five years after Walton because I didn't want to give an exact year of completion. Too easy to google that ;D
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 31, 2011, 06:57:10 AM
No...but...
No, I changed my mind. I won't give any hints yet. Too early in the game.
Sarge
Your "No...but.." makes me think he was a film composer (I know, we can only have one guess and I've had mine) ;)
Us guessers may need to combine forces to climb this mountain :) Maybe list who we thought it might be, and why it's probably not them.
I initially thought something baltic such as Vasks until the more I listened, the less "smooth" and postmodern it sounded. A few devices common in that style (the sense of inner-glow, the strings around ~38s) are outnumbered by the more standard sounding mid-century palette. I then moved on to Arnold, specifically his 8th symphony, but it wasn't that. I flirted with the idea of Britten's Sinfonia da Requiem, a work that I don't know well, but gave it a listen and it turned out not to be that. My Holmboe guess was due to his rather stark use of brass as well as the bubbling, vital use of percussion and strident strings, but this does seem to be less crystaline in its polyphony and drive, and now that I listen again, I can see that I was clutching in the wrong direction. If this was 50% faster and accompanied by a battery of side drums I would have guessed a lyrical moment from a Havergal Brian work that I am unfamiliar with ;)
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 09:45:53 AM
Us guessers may need to combine forces to climb this mountain :) Maybe list who we thought it might be, and why it's probably not them.
I initially thought something baltic such as Vasks until the more I listened, the less "smooth" and postmodern it sounded. A few devices common in that style (the sense of inner-glow, the strings around ~38s) are outnumbered by the more standard sounding mid-century palette. I then moved on to Arnold, specifically his 8th symphony, but it wasn't that. I flirted with the idea of Britten's Sinfonia da Requiem, a work that I don't know well, but gave it a listen and it turned out not to be that. My Holmboe guess was due to his rather stark use of brass as well as the bubbling, vital use of percussion and strident strings, but this does seem to be less crystaline in its polyphony and drive, and now that I listen again, I can see that I was clutching in the wrong direction. If this was 50% faster and accompanied by a battery of side drums I would have guessed a lyrical moment from a Havergal Brian work that I am unfamiliar with ;)
I'm afraid I have nothing to add - not a clue about it. But you are welcome to use my guess to guess again (when you are ready).
Quote from: Leon on May 31, 2011, 09:56:51 AM
Hindemith (Symphony in E-flat)
That is a great thought - the starkness to the initial brass gesture does sound like some of Hindemith's music, or at least hints towards possibly being inspired by neoclassicism...
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 09:45:53 AM
If this was 50% faster and accompanied by a battery of side drums I would have guessed a lyrical moment from a Havergal Brian work that I am unfamiliar with ;)
That's really fascinating. While making the clip the music suddenly, and for the first time, reminded me of Brian too. In fact, I thought someone might suggest Brian (knowing that I'm a bit of a fan of Havergal ;) ) But it isn't him.
Time for a clue: the mystery composer is not British but he was an Anglophile.
Sarge
Quote from: Leon on May 31, 2011, 09:56:51 AM
I also thought of Piston (Symphony No. 2) and Hindemith (Symphony in E-flat) which both sound style-wise in the ballpark, but since I don't have either of them handy can't do an actual check.
Not Piston, not Hindemith. Sorry. He
is a very famous composer.
Sarge
If it's Mr. B.H., then I think klingsor guessed him first, by not so subtle implication ;)
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 10:57:20 AM
If it's Mr. B.H., then I think klingsor guessed him first, by not so subtle implication ;)
Correct. Bernard Herrmann, his Symphony from 1941. The clip was taken from the composer's own recording on Unicorn:
(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/gm2/HerSym.jpg)
Klingsor did guess (we exchanged PMs). Maybe each of you should submit a new clip?
Sarge
That would be awesome - I could redeem myself from my all too obvious first pick ;)
Also, as suspected, I do have that work - playing it now. Do you know why it is often labeled "No.1" when I can find no evidence of a second?
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 11:02:31 AM
Do you know why it is often labeled "No.1" when I can find no evidence of a second?
I don't. I'll see if I can dig something up.
Sarge
Alrighty - here's mine (what's this one, 6a?): Mystery link! (http://www.4shared.com/audio/5MDiA7MT/guess.html) (4shared has always been a little fussy for me - here's a mirror if required: link (http://www.zshare.net/audio/9084243109186334/))
Hint: this is an orchestral section from a symphonic cantata-style work. The composer is semi-known, more so than a decade or two ago. I kinda wish I could avoid turning this into obscure-orchestral-fans-club, but I am smarting from how easy my Berlioz one was to guess ;)
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 11:34:37 AM
Alrighty - here's mine (what's this one, 6a?): Mystery link! (http://www.4shared.com/audio/5MDiA7MT/guess.html)
Hint: this is an orchestral section from a symphonic cantata-style work. The composer is semi-known, more so than a decade or two ago. I kinda wish I could avoid turning this into obscure-orchestral-fans-club, but I am smarting from how easy my Berlioz one was to guess ;)
I really liked that! Unfortunately, I don't know what it is. But I may have a new item for my wish list when I do! ;D
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 11:34:37 AMI kinda wish I could avoid turning this into obscure-orchestral-fans-club, but I am smarting from how easy my Berlioz one was to guess ;)
I preferred the Berlioz...I didn't have to think ;D Damn, it sounds like I should know it.
Sarge
I think the point of the game is not to get the right answer, but to get answers that could have been right. People who recognize the piece should recuse themselves. :)
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on May 31, 2011, 11:45:22 AM
I think the point of the game is not to get the right answer, but to get answers that could have been right. People who recognize the piece should recuse themselves. :)
Indeed, fumbling towards the goal is very fun :)
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on May 31, 2011, 11:45:22 AM
I think the point of the game is not to get the right answer, but to get answers that could have been right. People who recognize the piece should recuse themselves. :)
Right...and contestants on Jeopardy who know the answer (the question) should never push their buzzers :D
Sarge
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 11:51:11 AM
Indeed, fumbling towards the goal is very fun :)
Said the actress to the bishop.
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 31, 2011, 11:51:54 AM
Right...and contestants on Jeopardy who know the answer (the question) should never push their buzzers :D
Yes, but there is no prize here, so a definitive answer only serves to cut off the fun. :(
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 11:51:11 AM
Indeed, fumbling towards the goal is very fun :)
That's what I like about it, I like being on the right track even if I haven't gotten a single one. Dang once Sarge went well no... to my Korngold I thought of Herrmann but I didn't even know that he wrote a symphony! :D
:D To be fair, I never wrote the name Bernard Herrmann, so the 'prize' should not go to me. I was trying to come up with a UK composer.
And dammit, I should have recognized the Herrmann symphony, I've heard it at least 5 times ;)
Is it Lloyd Webber père (William)?
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on May 31, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
Is it Lloyd Webber père (William)?
A really fascinating guess - I haven't heard a note from the chap, however. This composer is of an older generation, a late Romantic from the turn of the century. I picked the piece because I hope it has enough hints in the orchestration and also the manner of the main melody to perhaps narrow it down to one country or region - it is steeped in a certain tradition, although music of this type definitely seems to have influenced later composers - especially film music writers.
Quote from: klingsor on May 31, 2011, 12:27:31 PM
:D To be fair, I never wrote the name Bernard Herrmann, so the 'prize' should not go to me. I was trying to come up with a UK composer.
Ah...I misunderstood our conversation then. So the prize belongs solely to Sara 8)
Sarge
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 12:40:12 PM
A really fascinating guess - I haven't heard a note from the chap, however. This composer is of an older generation, a late Romantic from the turn of the century. I picked the piece because I hope it has enough hints in the orchestration and also the manner of the main melody to perhaps narrow it down to one country or region - it is steeped in a certain tradition, although music of this type definitely seems to have influenced later composers - especially film music writers.
The music has many familiar stylistic elements. I thought of a Russian composer, too (Rachmaninov-like use of a sort of
Dies Irae theme earlier on). And at the end he sounds like Howard Shore's granddad!
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on May 31, 2011, 12:45:51 PM
a sort of Dies Irae theme earlier on
Your powers are impressive! The piece is Catholic in inspiration, rather than Russian or orthodox - it is a triptych, each movement loosley inspired by the opening lines of various famous motet subjects, but the work is a somewhat wooly Romantic conception grasping for something bigger. It has minor elements of Medievalism to it, although musically that doesn't show.
Catholic, eh? Then he could be French, Polish... Ropartz?
French fo' sho' - he was more of a self-consciously central figure than Ropartz, who tried his best to remain relevant to his small corner of the country. He was also not a particularly religious figure, but the public popularity (at the time) for the piece, clearly looking for more religious music in the vein of Franck, motivated him to write a few other similar works.
Now it's gotten this close, anybody trying for specific pieces (as there can only be 15 or so major composers to choose from) will get magical bonus points of some intangible nature.
D'Indy?
Florent Schmitt, Psaume?
Not so influenced by impressionism or Wagnerian models.
Look at my edit...
Closer stylistically to Schmitt than D'Indy, but less exotic. Schmitt's psalm (from what I recall of it) has perhaps as much in common with Zemlinsky's view of religion, this composer slightly looks back to the straightness of Franck. I think without a longer (or full movement) excerpt this won't be reasonably guessable, so I'll accept a bit of a list just to finish this off :)
Actually, no list needed. If somebody snipes it from you I'd have to give an equal victory anyway ;)
My clip (no.6) from was the first track of this disc:
.[asin]B000NJM56U[/asin]
The piece is named L'an mil (The Year 1000), and is an attempted evocation of the hopes and fears of the time. It's a nicely recorded disc of rewarding repertoire.
Johan's turn!
A-ha! Well, I came close...
Okay, I'll prepare something...
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on May 31, 2011, 01:38:25 PM
Actually, no list needed. If somebody snipes it from you I'd have to give an equal victory anyway ;)
My clip (no.6) from was the first track of this disc:
.[asin]B000NJM56U[/asin]
The piece is named L'an mil (The Year 1000), and is an attempted evocation of the hopes and fears of the time. It's a nicely recorded disc of rewarding repertoire.
Johan's turn!
Argghhh....you gave it away to soon! I was just listening to that at JPC and was about to guess. Really, I was!
Sarge
Okay, Sarge wins!!!
No, I was too late :(
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 31, 2011, 01:46:03 PM
No, I was too late :(
Nonsense, you would have guessed rightly. Though my fumbling about was helpful. ;D
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 31, 2011, 01:43:26 PM
Argghhh....you gave it away to soon!
;D I was thinking exactly the same - I should learn when to stop giving hints like you did ;D
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on May 31, 2011, 01:48:09 PM
Nonsense, you would have guessed rightly. Though my fumbling about was helpful. ;D
It was. Without all the clues I wouldn't have had a clue ;D I don't know the music. But looking through a list of late Romantic composers, I noticed Pierne and remembered Lethe had talked about him several times here in the past. Looking at his list of works I saw Les Cathedrales which fit with the religion clue. That led me to the CD with L'An Mil.
Here is my riddle...
http://www.4shared.com/audio/mNBnr-xB/Mystery_music.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/mNBnr-xB/Mystery_music.html)
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on May 31, 2011, 02:05:09 PM
Here is my riddle...
I'm gonna let my brain work on it while I sleep. Good night, all.
Sarge
Good night, Sarge!
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on May 31, 2011, 02:05:09 PM
Here is my riddle...
http://www.4shared.com/audio/mNBnr-xB/Mystery_music.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/mNBnr-xB/Mystery_music.html)
I have never heard the work, but given that you are a
Brian afficionado, and that I think I hear a Germanic language of some sort, is it part of his
Fourth Symphony?
Quote from: Cato on May 31, 2011, 06:03:47 PM
I have never heard the work, but given that you are a Brian afficionado, and that I think I hear a Germanic language of some sort, is it part of his Fourth Symphony?
Your logic is impeccable, but - no, it isn't Brian (would be too obvious, too!) His Fourth Symphony is a much darker and grimmer affair...
I am so deaf with choral music :) The two works I have heard recently which may somewhat inhabit this sound world are:
Vaughan Williams - Dona nobis pacem (this sounds more festive)
Delius - Songs of Farewell (it sounds more gentle than these I think)
Is that a harp at the start or are my ears rebelling against this challenge?
It is an extremely luscious and sensual score. So harps do figure. It's neither Delius nor RVW, btw. But it is strikingly similar to ol' Frederick and that's why I like it a lot. The composer was a younger contemporary...
Following the not entirely unreasonable assumption that the composer is from Britain, two composers of that period seem to potentially fit the bill for writing rather exotic music.
I discount Bantock because the only recording of his Omar Kháyyám and the Hyperion series sound more modern than the sample recording, and I don't know his other choral music (or even whether it's worth knowing).
Then Holst pops his head forward - perhaps "Cloud Messenger"?
Nope... I suggest you listen to the language... And the sound of the sample isn't representative. The CD will sound much much better (don't have it yet. I heard this work on the radio, and that's where this sample comes from).
I have trouble making out the language. Maybe you can clue me in?
Cato said Germanic. He was right. Drop the ic and you know the language...
It's not The Book of the Seven Seals by Franz Schmidt is it?
No. But the nationality of the composer is identical.
I have not heard all of Zemlinsky's choral works or operas, but the work has an aroma that could have emanated from his nib.
Zemlinsky was the one I was looking towards after the language correction, but I don't recall a section like that in his Lyric Symphony (the soloist was quite present throughout), and I gave one of the psalms a listen and it was in a different manner. My total deafness when it comes to deciphering sung texts definitely doesn't help :)
Quote from: Leon on June 01, 2011, 06:58:25 AM
I was thinking Pfitzner specifically, Palestrina, but since I have not heard that work, and don't know if it even has the kind of choral writing represented in the snippet, I am reluctant to make a formal guess.
Don't. Pfitzner was German. :)
I'm going to throw out a name: Egon Wellesz.
And due to little Wiki'ing, I'm now listening to his
Prosperos Beschwörungen on YouTube.
No Zemlinsky, no Pfitzner, no Wellesz. But the composer was an unashamed late Romantic until his dying day. This work is from 1911.
Quote from: Leon on June 01, 2011, 06:58:25 AM
I was thinking Pfitzner specifically, Palestrina, but since I have not heard that work, and don't know if it even has the kind of choral writing represented in the snippet, I am reluctant to make a formal guess.
Palestrina does employ a boy's choir. But as 106 pointed out, he was German.
Sarge
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 01, 2011, 07:05:14 AM
No Zemlinsky, no Pfitzner, no Wellesz. But the composer was an unashamed late Romantic until his dying day...
And what day was that? ;D
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 01, 2011, 07:08:43 AM
And what day was that? ;D
Around the time of the Beatles' second tour of America.
He loved those mop-tops!
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 01, 2011, 07:12:41 AM
Around the time of the Beatles' second tour of America.
That eliminates Korngold.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 01, 2011, 07:22:25 AM
That eliminates Korngold.
Indeed. Stylistically he is a sort of combination of Delius, Korngold, Strauss and Scriabin...
It might be Ernst Toch. I don't know his music well enough to make a guess of a particular work.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 01, 2011, 07:26:57 AM
It might be Ernst Toch. I don't know his music well enough to make a guess of a particular work.
Sarge
No. Toch sounds quite different, though he was only a few years this composer's junior.
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 01, 2011, 07:28:44 AM
No. Toch sounds quite different...
Someday I'm going to have to play that box set of Toch symphonies I bought years ago. I really have no idea what his music sounds like.
Well, I'm ready to throw in the towel.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 01, 2011, 07:32:04 AM
Someday I'm going to have to play that box set of Toch symphonies I bought years ago. I really have no idea what his music sounds like.
I'll think you'll like Toch, Sarge.
Carry on . . . .
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 01, 2011, 07:32:04 AM
Someday I'm going to have to play that box set of Toch symphonies I bought years ago. I really have no idea what his music sounds like.
Well, I'm ready to throw in the towel.
I'm sure you must have read his name once. His surname is striking, because we usually don't connect it with music.
Johan, you have us all looking like dunces ;D!
The year range you offer seriously has me scratching my head. I am even willing to throw forth Kreisler, having seen all the reasonable guesses discounted, but it surely cannot be. The late death date is the real stumbling block.
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 01, 2011, 07:38:26 AM
I'm sure you must have read his name once. His surname is striking, because we usually don't connect it with music.
Joseph Marx?Herbstchor an Pan
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 01, 2011, 07:42:41 AM
Joseph Marx?
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51sosBkYqGL._SS400_.jpg)
Bravo!
Autumn Hymn to Pan (1911)
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 01, 2011, 07:45:04 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51sosBkYqGL._SS400_.jpg)
Bravo! Autumn Hymn to Pan (1911)
That was a tough one, Johan.
I'll have the next clip up in a few hours. Must prepare dinner now.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 01, 2011, 08:05:28 AM
That was a tough one, Johan.
I'll have the next clip up in a few hours. Must prepare dinner now.
Sarge
Me too! Yum! All that thinking made me hungary...
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 01, 2011, 08:05:28 AM
That was a tough one, Johan.
I'll have the next clip up in a few hours. Must prepare dinner now.
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 01, 2011, 08:29:21 AM
Me too! Yum! All that thinking made me hungary...
You all have deserved a stiff meal. :D
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 01, 2011, 08:31:23 AM
You all have deserved a stiff meal drink. :D
There fixed that for you. ;D Hey Sarge not romantic or neoromantic, do something classical, rococo, baroque, renaissance, medieval, ancient heck atonal avant garde... let's mix it up already!! :)
Some atonal honking, Sarge? . . .
Joseph Marx - from the 90 second excerpt 0:) - sounds like a real chameleon! Scriabin-meets-Mahler-meets-Zemlinsky-etc.
Here is a nice website for those who are intrigued:
http://www.joseph-marx.org/en/ (http://www.joseph-marx.org/en/)
Quote from: mozartfan on June 01, 2011, 08:37:22 AM...heck atonal avant garde... let's mix it up already!!
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 01, 2011, 08:42:03 AM
Some atonal honking, Sarge? . . .
Atonal honking it is ;D This is the conclusion of an inner movement.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/zgW1RJWX/mysteryclip3.html
Sarge
Whatever it is, I love that polytonal polyphony....wow! Very curious to know what this is :D
Yeah I love it too, what gets me is that I feel that I really know this one... but I have no idea what it is! :D
Quote from: klingsor on June 01, 2011, 11:40:07 AM
Whatever it is, I love that polytonal polyphony....wow! Very curious to know what this is :D
He said Bach inspired his atonality. The mystery composer's music is intensely beautiful.
Sarge
Berg?
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 01, 2011, 11:45:40 AM
He said Bach inspired his atonality. The mystery composer's music is intensely beautiful.
Sarge
"Intensely beautiful"? You mean it's Mahler I have not yet heard :o :o
:D or Frank Martin??
Seriously, I don't recognize it :'(, but the style is familiar.....
Quote from: mozartfan on June 01, 2011, 11:50:52 AM
Berg?
It's not one of the dodecaphonic dudes of Vienna. He
was a contemporary of Schoenberg (they died within a year of each other) but he came to atonality on his own.
Quote from: klingsor on June 01, 2011, 11:54:53 AM
"Intensely beautiful"? You mean it's Mahler I have not yet heard :o :o
No...I wish there were Mahler I hadn't yet heard!
Quote from: klingsor on June 01, 2011, 11:54:53 AM
:D or Frank Martin??
Seriously, I don't recognize it :'(, but the style is familiar.....
No, not Martin either.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 01, 2011, 12:00:57 PM
He was a contemporary of Schoenberg (they died within a year of each other)
I was about to cast my hook with Krenek until I read this :(
The soundworld reminds me a bit of Karol Rathaus.
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 01, 2011, 01:12:52 PM
I was about to cast my hook with Krenek until I read this :(
I considered using a Krenek work. If I had, you'd have won!
Sarge
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 01, 2011, 01:18:13 PM
The soundworld reminds me a bit of Karol Rathaus.
A composer I don't know...not even the name is familiar.
Time for for a hint. He was a northern European and the clip is from the third movement of his Third Symphony.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 01, 2011, 01:23:59 PM
A composer I don't know...not even the name is familiar.
Time for for a hint. He was a northern European and the clip is from the third movement of his Third Symphony.
[asin]B0006SGES8[/asin]
Ok, got to get to work on the cpo and BIS web sites. :)
Sarge and I have more in common than I knew!
Here is another hint: the composer's picture shows someone very dismayed, possibly by a first name which - at least to English ears - is rather odd. 0:)
Oh dear. I was about to ask "how northern", but discounted Valen, due to only knowing his first symphony and songs :(
Is Rued a rude first name to English ears? Is it Langgaard? Of course if it was wouldn't half the forum been on top of this puzzler? :D
Quote from: mozartfan on June 01, 2011, 01:55:14 PM
Is Rued a rude first name to English ears? Is it Langgaard? Of course if it was wouldn't half the forum been on top of this puzzler? :D
Also fits the criteria of being one year off Schoenberg's death. But the piece doesn't sound particularly Langgaard-ish to me (although I've only heard three of his symphonies).
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 01, 2011, 01:53:35 PM
Oh dear. I was about to ask "how northern", but discounted Valen, due to only knowing his first symphony and songs :(
Is Fart'in your guess?
Sarge
Quote from: mozartfan on June 01, 2011, 01:55:14 PM
Is Rued a rude first name to English ears? Is it Langgaard? Of course if it was wouldn't half the forum been on top of this puzzler? :D
No, not Langgaard...but interesting that he died the same year as my mystery composer.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 01, 2011, 02:08:37 PM
Is Fart'in your guess?
I just checked his death year and I think it has to be him - it sucks if I guessed it because of the funny name - if it is him can I pass the new clip to somebody else? I've had quite a few turns now.
Lethe, you should pass control on to Gurn then, I bet he could stump even you and Sarge! :D
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 01, 2011, 02:12:34 PM
I just checked his death year and I think it has to be him - it sucks if I guessed it because of the funny name - if it is him can I pass the new clip to somebody else? I've had quite a few turns now.
Yes, it's Fartein Valen, the Intermezzo from the Third Symphony
(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/goodmusic/valen23.jpg)
Cato PM'd me with the answer but he passed on winning. If you don't want to guide the next round, than yes, you can appoint someone else.
Sarge
Ah cool. I nominate Scarps or Gurn, whoever comes first.
Well, I can come up with one, but first I will have to figure out how to make a short clip.
If anyone has problems using Audacity, I found another program that is slightly easier to use: mp3directcut. You simply highlight the section you want and then go edit->crop followed by save complete audio, you can also edit the tags with another menu option. I like audacity, but it's good to have choices. :)
http://mpesch3.de1.cc/mp3dc.html (http://mpesch3.de1.cc/mp3dc.html)
Incredible, but there are good number of things about Valen available:
FaceBook!!!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fartein-Valen/55037663004 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fartein-Valen/55037663004)
YouTube!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YeJa_TnB0M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YeJa_TnB0M)
And assorted curiosities:
http://www.haugesund-teater.no/fartein_valen_en.htm (http://www.haugesund-teater.no/fartein_valen_en.htm)
Thanks, Sarge, for the opportunity of listening to Fartein Valen. I have known his name ever since I read (in 1979) Paul Rapoport's book Opus Est, about six Northern European symphonists. Though Bernstein hated the adjective - interesting music.
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 01, 2011, 12:00:57 PM
No, not Martin either.
Sarge
I need to be more careful. I was not really guessing Martin, since I know his music too well.
Glad to know it was Valen. He's a composer I have been curious about and this clip puts him high on my future listening list now :)
It's cool that this game is providing the prompting for people to check out things they knew about but had yet to hear. I like Valen's songs (on a Simax disc which used to go for almost nothing), but found this disc to be especially engaging and well-programmed:
[asin]B00004YYRU[/asin]
The first symphony is that really sweet type of atonality that basically sounds melodic - a little like Frankel. Despite being his first symphony, it's a rather late work, and feels as though it's in an already well-considered style. His language as I understand it from this disc is rather emotionally wide-ranging, and frequently beats with a warm heart through the prickly language.
I really must hear his later symphonies, now.
Quote from: Cato on June 01, 2011, 04:04:47 PM
Incredible, but there are good number of things about Valen available:
FaceBook!!!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fartein-Valen/55037663004 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fartein-Valen/55037663004)
YouTube!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YeJa_TnB0M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YeJa_TnB0M)
And assorted curiosities:
http://www.haugesund-teater.no/fartein_valen_en.htm (http://www.haugesund-teater.no/fartein_valen_en.htm)
Thanks for the youtube link Cato, I think I must buy some Valen in the future. :)
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 02, 2011, 05:08:54 AM
It's cool that this game is providing the prompting for people to check out things they knew about but had yet to hear.
That was actually my motivation for the game! :D I was inspired by my experience listening to the radio, it opens new options broadening my horizons when I hear music without names to activate my bias and hear things not in my collection. That was how I discovered Waxman, Enescu and a few others. I thought a game could achieve the same ends and also be fun at the same time. :)
8)
Also, if nobody posts a clip soon I totally will - don't worry, no late Romantic stuff :3
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 02, 2011, 07:14:44 AM
Also, if nobody posts a clip soon I totally will - don't worry, no late Romantic stuff :3
I'm behind you, Sara. (Moral support.)
David is going to post a clip I sent him last night. I don't have it here at work, nor any account info. It is my little contribution to y'all's sanity. :D
8)
Quiz.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/audio/_DQwGnhp/Quiz.html) on behalf of Gurn. :)
Quote from: mozartfan on June 02, 2011, 07:19:35 AM
Quiz.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/audio/_DQwGnhp/Quiz.html) on behalf of Gurn. :)
Gurn singing in his bathroom? :-\
;)
Quote from: Opus106 on June 02, 2011, 07:24:08 AM
Gurn singing in his bathroom? :-\
;)
Damn, I didn't think it would be so easy.... ::) Nope.
8)
Quote from: mozartfan on June 02, 2011, 07:19:35 AM
Quiz.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/audio/_DQwGnhp/Quiz.html) on behalf of Gurn. :)
Fun!
And it's nice to see this thread inspiring Gurn to git his atonal honking on! ; )
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 02, 2011, 07:25:52 AM
Damn, I didn't think it would be so easy.... ::) Nope.
8)
Yeah, no way. I'm sure you sing and play way better than this. :)
Just for the record, would be nice to vary it up. Not all of us like this...this....whatever it is! :)
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 02, 2011, 07:30:54 AM
Yeah, no way. I'm sure you sing and play way better than this. :)
Just for the record, would be nice to vary it up. Not all of us like this...this....whatever it is! :)
Neal, you're breakin' my heart. You don't think I would let you down, do you? ;)
8)
Lucchesi? . . .
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 02, 2011, 07:38:18 AM
Lucchesi? . . .
I'm sure Newman's expanded theory has his writing for Schoenberg, Berg and Webern as well! :D
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 02, 2011, 05:08:54 AM
It's cool that this game is providing the prompting for people to check out things they knew about but had yet to hear. I like Valen's songs (on a Simax disc which used to go for almost nothing), but found this disc to be especially engaging and well-programmed:
[asin]B00004YYRU[/asin]
I ordered that yesterday (only five Euros) along with the Bis CD of the Fourth Symphony.
Sarge
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 02, 2011, 07:34:20 AM
Neal, you're breakin' my heart. You don't think I would let you down, do you? ;)
8)
Well there is seemed to be this lovefest on atonal/modern stuff, so I just wanted to get...a different view out there! Mind you, some atonal/modern is good in the mix...in reasonable doses. ;D
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 02, 2011, 07:44:48 AM
Well there is seemed to be this lovefest on atonal/modern stuff, so I just wanted to get...a different view out there! Mind you, some atonal/modern is good in the mix...in reasonable doses. ;D
Me too. ;)
8)
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 02, 2011, 07:44:48 AM
Well there is seemed to be this lovefest on atonal/modern stuff, so I just wanted to get...a different view out there! Mind you, some atonal/modern is good in the mix...in reasonable doses. ;D
Yeah we need more baroque, classical... if I had gained control I had something early in mind. :) Well win this round or Scarpia's and you can turn things around! :)
Quote from: mozartfan on June 02, 2011, 08:03:55 AM
Yeah we need more baroque, classical... if I had gained control I had something early in mind. :) Well win this round or Scarpia's and you can turn things around! :)
I almost chose a classical work for my last go...until I got the requests for some atonal honking. That worked out pretty well. Old Fart'in turned out to be surprisingly popular.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 02, 2011, 08:08:23 AM
I almost chose a classical work for my last go...until I got the requests for some atonal honking. That worked out pretty well. Old Fart'in turned out to be surprisingly popular.
Sarge
So what about this one, Sarge, any ideas? :)
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Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 02, 2011, 08:10:18 AM
So what about this one, Sarge, any ideas? :)
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Haven't listened to it yet. I've been busy elsewhere. I'll check it out now.
Sarge
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 02, 2011, 08:10:18 AM
So what about this one, Sarge, any ideas? :)
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It's distinctive enough that if I had heard it before I think I'd remember it. Right now, no clue. The language is German (I hear sternengleich, tausende, Majestät) but I can't make out enough words to string together even one coherent line. Damn these "trained" voices ;D
Sarge
Quote from: mozartfan on June 02, 2011, 08:03:55 AM
Yeah we need more baroque, classical... if I had gained control I had something early in mind. :) Well win this round or Scarpia's and you can turn things around! :)
I'm hoping to get a clip prepared tonight. If someone wants to start a wildcard round before then I won't take offence.
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 02, 2011, 08:40:27 AM
I'm hoping to get a clip prepared tonight. If someone wants to start a wildcard round before then I won't take offence.
Cool beans. Gurn's clip will probably take all day anyway. :)
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 02, 2011, 08:37:11 AM
It's distinctive enough that if I had heard it before I think I'd remember it. Right now, no clue. The language is German (I hear Sternengleich, tausende, majestät) but I can't make out enough words to string together even one coherent line. Damn these "trained" voices ;D
Sarge
Well, you're making some progress. please don't give up, I want you here for the surprise ending. :)
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Brahms! I knew it!
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 02, 2011, 08:47:34 AM
Well, you're making some progress. please don't give up, I want you here for the surprise ending. :)
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I hope I'm here when it goes down ;D But we'll be going out to dinner soon.
Sarge
I guess we need to wait for all the better guessers to show up. :D I was sure that Sarge would get it though. Maybe when he returns from dinner, his brain will be re-energized!
I have actually thrown a couple of clews out there for y'all. They were subtle, but hey, that's just me. :)
At least I didn't pick a composer that no one has ever heard of before... 0:)
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For some reason I am not seeing the latest clip (after the Marx), can someone indicate it?
Quote from: klingsor on June 02, 2011, 11:08:47 AM
For some reason I am not seeing the latest clip (after the Marx), can someone indicate it?
Quote from: DavidW on June 02, 2011, 07:19:35 AM
Quiz.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/audio/_DQwGnhp/Quiz.html) on behalf of Gurn. :)
No idea, but if I had to guess now I'd say Moses und Aaron, Schoenberg.
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 02, 2011, 11:24:16 AM
No idea, but if I had to guess now I'd say Moses und Aaron, Schoenberg.
Well, that is a very interesting idea. I'm gonna have to find that work some day, I've seen it mentioned... :)
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I bet Luke could pluck this puppy . . . .
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 02, 2011, 11:36:51 AM
Well, that is a very interesting idea. I'm gonna have to find that work some day, I've seen it mentioned... :)
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I'm back home. Don't give it away yet. I'm still working on it ;)
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 02, 2011, 11:41:27 AM
I'm back home. Don't give it away yet. I'm still working on it ;)
Sarge
No worries, Sarge. I know you are The King! :)
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Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 02, 2011, 12:12:20 PM
No worries, Sarge. I know you are The King! :)
Another of your subtle clues! It's from
The Lion King. 0:)
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 02, 2011, 12:20:27 PM
Another of your subtle clues! It's from The Lion King. 0:)
:D No, but I wish I had thought of that. It would have been a classic diversion indeed! :)
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If that had been from The Lion King, my estimation of Disney would uptick sharply ; )
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 02, 2011, 10:21:43 AM
I have actually thrown a couple of clews out there for y'all. They were subtle, but hey, that's just me. :)
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"I was sure that Sarge would get it though."
"At least I didn't pick a composer that no one has ever heard of before... 0:) "
"Neal, you're breakin' my heart. You don't think I would let you down, do you? ;) "
"Well, you're making some progress. please don't give up, I want you here for the surprise ending. :)"Subtle indeed. Time to call in Adrian Monk :D
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 02, 2011, 12:28:23 PM
"I was sure that Sarge would get it though."
"At least I didn't pick a composer that no one has ever heard of before... 0:) "
"Neal, you're breakin' my heart. You don't think I would let you down, do you? ;) "
"Well, you're making some progress. please don't give up, I want you here for the surprise ending. :)"
Subtle indeed. Time to call in Adrian Monk :D
The spacing of those smileys...it's...well....it's not right. :-\
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 02, 2011, 12:31:29 PM
The spacing of those smileys...it's...well....it's not right. :-\
;D :D ;D
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 02, 2011, 12:28:23 PM
"I was sure that Sarge would get it though."
"At least I didn't pick a composer that no one has ever heard of before... 0:) "
"Neal, you're breakin' my heart. You don't think I would let you down, do you? ;) "
"Well, you're making some progress. please don't give up, I want you here for the surprise ending. :)"
Subtle indeed. Time to call in Adrian Monk :D
Sarge
Don't forget this one, Sarge :)
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 02, 2011, 12:24:25 PM
:D No, but I wish I had thought of that. It would have been a classic diversion indeed! :)
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Well, I want to give everyone a chance at it before puking out the answer, so maybe a broader clue would be in order.
For all of you who know me,
the answer must be one of three.
For those of you who know me well
this hero sent a man to hell.
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The MSPCA wish it known that they do not condone the practice of plucking puppies. Carry on.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 02, 2011, 11:12:33 AM
Thanks Karl
I am guessing Hans Werner Henze: Die Weisse Rose....?
Those are wonderful guesses all, but so sadly wrong. I will come back in 40 minutes and post the answer if it hasn't been guessed already. I am prepared for incredulity. :)
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OK, well I am so sad to see it has come to this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyrN6Eoudic
Watch it and weep. It is a cantata, BTW, the original K1 # was 429, but now it is K 468a. :)
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I reckoned you were counting on inspiring incredulity. I'd be stunned if it's something in my own library, though I rather suspect not.
Never heard of him.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 02, 2011, 03:34:29 PM
I reckoned you were counting on inspiring incredulity. I'd be stunned if it's something in my own library, though I rather suspect not.
Oh contraire, tres cher ami. I actually sent this to you in a little Mozart sampler about 4 years ago. I wanted you to hear how radical the lad could get. :) You were the one person I was afraid would get it since I
knew you had it.
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Quote from: Mr. Fancypants on June 02, 2011, 03:35:15 PM
Never heard of him.
Not your favorite, I know. You would have preferred Karl was right and it
was Lucchesi! :D
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Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 02, 2011, 03:40:08 PM
Not your favorite, I know.
I have tons of Mozart, dude. Well, lots.
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 02, 2011, 03:34:14 PM
OK, well I am so sad to see it has come to this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyrN6Eoudic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyrN6Eoudic)
Watch it and weep. It is a cantata, BTW, the original K1 # was 429, but now it is K 468a. :)
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But . . . it does not match the music which is available as K429 at IMSLP . . . .
Are you sure that's by Mozart? I think someone's pulling a fast one on you, Gurn. Or they've slowed down the recording. ;D
Quote from: Mr. Fancypants on June 02, 2011, 03:42:45 PM
I have tons of Mozart, dude. Well, lots.
I was merely matching your 'never heard of him'. :)
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Aye, that string writing . . . awfully anachronistic for Mozart. I'd love to see the score!
And there are chords in there Mozart never wrote. (Nor Lucchesi, arf!)
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 02, 2011, 03:45:08 PM
But . . . it does not match the music which is available as K429 at IMSLP . . . .
Well, not only is that recording on Youtube, but totally independently the recording that I posted is by Wiener Akademie / Martin Haselböck - Chorus Viennensis, on Pavane Records, and is also the version that Brilliant licensed for the Complete Mozart Edition. So if it isn't what I believe it to be then a whole lotta people are wrong! :) It was nice to find a Youtube by another group entirely that is the same, though. Sort of independent confirmation. 0:)
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Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. That ain't Mozart. The work is listed as a Fragment in the Philips Mozart edition. The question is who finished it. I think not Hummel or Sussmayr this time. Probably Schnittke. ::)
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 02, 2011, 03:47:09 PM
Aye, that string writing . . . awfully anachronistic for Mozart. I'd love to see the score!
Well, my Internet connection is too slow to go there from here, but you can go to the
Neue Mozart Ausgabe and see (and download if you wish) the score of absolutely anything that Mozart wrote. I'm not sure what their current cataloging system is, but I would imagine that typing in KV468a in the search box will get you there. :)
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I agree with the others : this is NOT Mozart...something is amiss :o
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 02, 2011, 03:54:03 PM
Well, my Internet connection is too slow to go there from here, but you can go to the Neue Mozart Ausgabe and see (and download if you wish) the score of absolutely anything that Mozart wrote. I'm not sure what their current cataloging system is, but I would imagine that typing in KV468a in the search box will get you there. :)
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Thanks! That's a terrific resource.
The score there is more fragmentary than that which appears at IMSLP, but is entirely contained in the IMSLP version.
This is quite a mystery you've set forth, Gurn!
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 02, 2011, 03:52:38 PM
Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. That ain't Mozart. The work is listed as a Fragment in the Philips Mozart edition. The question is who finished it. I think not Hummel or Sussmayr this time. Probably Schnittke. ::)
Yeah, but we know it wasn't Schnittke. According to Zaslaw, (The Compleat Mozart, pg 37), Mozart wrote the first 17 measures of the 3rd movement which are still extant, and the rest is missing. As you can hear from the Youtube recording, the dissonance and oddness starts right at the beginning. It is a highly unusual work, no doubt. The other recording of it that i have (Maag on Vox) only does the first 2 movements and then stops. Haselböck does 5 movements (and I think the performers on that Youtube one do that also). I suppose we could write them and ask. :)
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It's the third movement of a two movement work, according to the published score. Presumably the third movement is sketched on the back of one of Wolfie's overdue laundry bills and someone made a perverse "completion." ;D Mozart's Great Mass in c-minor only had vocal parts and bass written by Mozart himself, all of the orchestral parts of the latter movements were added. I assume that similar considerations apply here.
Quote from: klingsor on June 02, 2011, 04:01:51 PM
I agree with the others : this is NOT Mozart...something is amiss :o
Well, I don't know what to say; they better quit recording it on Mozart disks then. :-\
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Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 02, 2011, 04:04:16 PM
It's the third movement of a two movement work, according to the published score. Presumably the third movement is sketched on the back of one of Wolfie's overdue laundry bills and someone made a perverse "completion." ;D
Well, that's one theory. :)
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At IMSLP the score (completed by whomever, and not in this too-modern style) is here (http://imslp.org/wiki/Dir,_Seele_des_Weltalls,_K.429/468a_(Mozart,_Wolfgang_Amadeus)).
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 02, 2011, 04:03:38 PM
Yeah, but we know it wasn't Schnittke. According to Zaslaw, (The Compleat Mozart, pg 37), Mozart wrote the first 17 measures of the 3rd movement which are still extant, and the rest is missing. As you can hear from the Youtube recording, the dissonance and oddness starts right at the beginning. It is a highly unusual work, no doubt. The other recording of it that i have (Maag on Vox) only does the first 2 movements and then stops. Haselböck does 5 movements (and I think the performers on that Youtube one do that also). I suppose we could write them and ask. :)
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The YouTube music does not at all match any of the Mozart score I read at the Neue Mozart Ausgabe.
The YouTube music begins with setting the text, Die Lichter, die zu Tausenden for men's duet. None of that text appears in the Mozart score, nor does any of the Mozart fragment feature a duet; part of it is three-part men's choir (TTB), and part is Tenor I alone.Edit :: erratum
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 02, 2011, 04:17:06 PM
The YouTube music begins with setting the text, Die Lichter, die zu Tausenden for men's duet. None of that text appears in the Mozart score, nor does any of the Mozart fragment feature a duet; part of it is three-part men's choir (TTB), and part is Tenor I alone.
Well, strictly speaking, the YouTube music begins with an instrumental introduction, which is unlike anything that appears in the Mozart score : )
http://www.mozartforum.com/VB_forum/printthread.php?t=189
QuoteMy guess is you are listening to a performance of the Cantata by the Wiener Akademie and the Chorus Viennensis directed by Martin Haselböck. This was originally released on the Novalis label.
The completiion is by Rainer Bischof, a contemporary Austrian composer.
Mozart's composing of the third section ""Die Lichter" goes 17 measures. Bischof then completes it and composes the Recitative, both "in a style of today and in Bischof's personal dodecophonic musical idiom".
Quote from: Drasko on June 02, 2011, 04:24:32 PM
http://www.mozartforum.com/VB_forum/printthread.php?t=189
Drasko,
Thank you very much for clearing that up. I didn't know that, and am pleased to learn it since, truth to tell, I was as confounded as anyone. :)
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Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 02, 2011, 04:17:06 PM
The YouTube music begins with setting the text, Die Lichter, die zu Tausenden for men's duet. None of that text appears in the Mozart score, nor does any of the Mozart fragment feature a duet; part of it is three-part men's choir (TTB), and part is Tenor I alone.
That's wrong on my part. Although I thought I was at the end of the Mozart, in fact there was an arrow link to continue, and now I see the excerpt to which Drasko refers: QuoteMozart's composing of the third section ""Die Lichter" goes 17 measures.
The dissonance that we hear from the start is already Bischof's additive.
Quote from: Mr. Fancypants on June 02, 2011, 03:42:45 PM
I have tons of Mozart, dude. Well, lots.
I don't even have it in my Harnoncourt set of
complete sacred works! I guess complete is the operative word. :D
Quote from: DavidW on June 02, 2011, 04:32:39 PM
I don't even have it in my Harnoncourt set of complete sacred works! I guess complete is the operative word. :D
It isn't a sacred cantata, it's a Masonic one. It is in the various sets of Masonic music. :)
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Oh I see, I need a few more box sets. Heck I should just buy the edition! ;D
Hey Scarpia is your clip ready? I hope it's not as hard as the Gurnian deception! ;D
I think this one will be interesting.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/d7KHcLOh/snip.html?
(Hopefully that link will work.) The primary task is the guess the composer (and composition). For extra credit, identify the orchestra (and conductor).
I will not give any clues, except that this is by a composer whose name is occasionally mentioned on this board. As always, answers that could have been right are perhaps more interesting than answers that are right.
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 02, 2011, 11:14:35 PM
I think this one will be interesting.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/d7KHcLOh/snip.html?
(Hopefully that link will work.) The primary task is the guess the composer (and composition). For extra credit, identify the orchestra (and conductor).
I will not give any clues, except that this is by a composer whose name is occasionally mentioned on this board. As always, answers that could have been right are perhaps more interesting than answers that are right.
Interesting. I don't know this one either (I'm like 0 for 57 so far :-[). Stylistically, it reminds me of both Ravel and Stravinsky. I don't think it is Ravel for sure. I suppose Stravinsky is possible. Beyond that, not really sure.
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 02, 2011, 11:14:35 PM
(Hopefully that link will work.) The primary task is the guess the composer (and composition). For extra credit, identify the orchestra (and conductor).
I think you are way to enthusiastic about anyone directly guessing orchestra and conductor on 50 sec clip. If you remember 'mystery orchestra' game clips were much longer, pieces known and still there were far more misses than hits.
As for the piece, sound very interesting but I don't recognize it, wild guess - Roussel.
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 02, 2011, 12:32:18 PM
Well, I want to give everyone a chance at it before puking out the answer, so maybe a broader clue would be in order.
For all of you who know me,
the answer must be one of three.
For those of you who know me well
this hero sent a man to hell.
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I'd put the clues together ("surprise" "
classic diversion" plus the above riddle....it had to be one of the three great classical composers I thought: Hadyn Mozart or Beethoven. Mozart was the only one who sent a man to hell) but the answer seemed nonsensical. How could that music possibly be Mozart? The clip sounds nothing like him. I couldn't think of any modern take on Mozart (like Zender's Winterreise or Bach orchestrations). I was completely stumped. I went to bed in a grumpy mood ;D
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 03, 2011, 03:32:39 AM
I'd put the clues together ("surprise" "classic diversion" plus the above riddle....it had to be one of the three great classical composers I thought: Hadyn Mozart or Beethoven. Mozart was the only one who sent a man to hell) but the answer seemed nonsensical. How could that music possibly be Mozart? The clip sounds nothing like him. I couldn't think of any modern take on Mozart (like Zender's Winterreise or Bach orchestrations). I was completely stumped. I went to bed in a grumpy mood ;D
Sarge
Better now, though. :)
Scarps,
No surprise, you got me stumped. I will work around it for a while though. :)
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Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 02, 2011, 11:25:49 PM
Interesting. I don't know this one either (I'm like 0 for 57 so far :-[). Stylistically, it reminds me of both Ravel and Stravinsky. I don't think it is Ravel for sure. I suppose Stravinsky is possible. Beyond that, not really sure.
Neither of those two.
Quote from: Drasko on June 03, 2011, 12:28:35 AM
I think you are way to enthusiastic about anyone directly guessing orchestra and conductor on 50 sec clip. If you remember 'mystery orchestra' game clips were much longer, pieces known and still there were far more misses than hits.
As for the piece, sound very interesting but I don't recognize it, wild guess - Roussel.
I agree it sounds a bit like Roussel, but not him.
I agree with you that there is insufficient information to identify the orchestra, but it is still fun to guess.
I will guess Rodion Shchedrin
Quote from: klingsor on June 03, 2011, 06:54:32 AM
I will guess Rodion Shchedrin
Interesting, I'll have to look up this Shchedrin, if he sounds like my mystery track. :)
I thought of Varese since it sounds wild Stravinskian without being Stravinsky... but Varese isn't quite that conservative. Boy this is a fun one! :)
I'm not consciously familiar with it either. I do like it. Very interesting. But my head's still hurting from the Mozart so I haven't put much thought intp solving it yet. And now it's time to make dinner (food is always interrupting these games ;D )
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 03, 2011, 07:46:25 AM
I'm not consciously familiar with it either. I do like it. Very interesting. But my head's still hurting from the Mozart so I haven't put much thought intp solving it yet. And now it's time to make dinner (food is always interrupting these games ;D )
Sarge
Yeah given how the Mozart went, this is probably Telemann! :D
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 03, 2011, 07:46:25 AM
But my head's still hurting from the Mozart...
The opening of that excerpt has been playing itself to death inside my head all day (along with the thought that it had been (mis-)attributed to Mozart all this time). ;D
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 03, 2011, 07:46:25 AM
I'm not consciously familiar with it either. I do like it. Very interesting. But my head's still hurting from the Mozart so I haven't put much thought intp solving it yet. And now it's time to make dinner (food is always interrupting these games ;D )
Sarge
Oh. Yum!! What are you having? Chicken here (already cooking) in a red (BBQ like) sauce. Probably with a shiraz.
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 03, 2011, 07:50:00 AM
Oh. Yum!! What are you having? Chicken here (already cooking) in a red (BBQ like) sauce. Probably with a shiraz.
I'm going to whip up my famous Italian/Indian fusion spaghetti 8)
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 03, 2011, 07:54:41 AM
I'm going to whip up my famous Italian/Indian fusion spaghetti 8)
Sarge
Sweet! I cook Indian at home all the time (from scratch), and what you wrote sounds awesome!
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 03, 2011, 07:08:43 AM
Interesting, I'll have to look up this Shchedrin, if he sounds like my mystery track. :)
Shchedrin was one of those composers I discovered as a filler on a CD with a piece I actually wanted, and Schedrin's ended up being better. Give him a try
Quote from: DavidW on June 03, 2011, 07:48:49 AM
Yeah given how the Mozart went, this is probably Telemann! :D
Not Telemann, but close (just kidding). :)
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 03, 2011, 08:10:40 AM
Not Telemann, but close (just kidding). :)
Yes, I
hope you're kidding. My brain couldn't cope with that and Mozart too.
Sarge
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 03, 2011, 08:01:51 AM
Sweet! I cook Indian at home all the time (from scratch), and what you wrote sounds awesome!
My fusion spaghetti is my invention but Mrs. Rock makes superb Indian (her tandoori chicken takes 24 hours to prepare).
Sarge
I love eating Indian, but cooking it is too much work, I'm just too lazy. :(
No, the mystery piece does not involve spaghetti. ;)
http://www.4shared.com/audio/d7KHcLOh/snip.html?
I will give a vague hint. This piece is a relatively early work and does not manifest the mature style this composer is mostly known for.
If he started in neoclassical someone like Carter would be a good candidate. Has to start composing in the 30s or 40s, a generation removed from Stravinsky but otherwise contemporary with him. Hmm....
Quote from: DavidW on June 03, 2011, 10:33:21 AM
If he started in neoclassical someone like Carter would be a good candidate. Has to start composing in the 30s or 40s, a generation removed from Stravinsky but otherwise contemporary with him. Hmm....
Not Carter.
ARRRGGHHH....Mrs. Rock and I listened to the clip together and we both know it. We have it. But we can't recall who it is!
Sarge
Kabelevsky.
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Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 02, 2011, 11:14:35 PM
I will not give any clues, except that this is by a composer whose name is occasionally mentioned on this board.
I'm assuming this is not a misdirection and by it you mean your mystery composer is not one of the majors, not someone routinely discussed here.
The music reminds me of Dvorak for the first twenty seconds or so then climaxes in a theme that sounds both Romantic Russian (Slavic anyway) and Hollywood ;D It should be easy to guess but I'm (we're) still stumped.
Sarge
I couldn't say a piece, but in the oddest way it makes me think of Bernstein (L.). I doubt I'm even in the right hemisphere, but there you go. :-\
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Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 03, 2011, 12:16:14 PM
I'm assuming this is not a misdirection and by it you mean your mystery composer is not one of the majors, not someone routinely discussed here.
The music reminds me of Dvorak for the first twenty seconds or so then climaxes in a theme that sounds both Romantic Russian (Slavic anyway) and Hollywood ;D It should be easy to guess but I'm (we're) still stumped.
Sarge
Some obscure composers are routinely discussed here. There are 10 times as many posts in the Brian thread as in the Beethoven thread, I believe. (No it's not Brian.) But no, not a major, and this composer still walks the earth.
Shall I give the answer, or are there still those who haven't had their shot yet?
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 03, 2011, 12:24:11 PM
I couldn't say a piece, but in the oddest way it makes me think of Bernstein (L.). I doubt I'm even in the right hemisphere, but there you go. :-\
Not the right continent, in any case.
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 03, 2011, 12:27:24 PM
Some obscure composers are routinely discussed here. There are 10 times as many posts in the Brian thread as in the Beethoven thread, I believe. (No it's not Brian.) But no, not a major, and this composer still walks the earth.
Shall I give the answer, or are there still those who haven't had their shot yet?
Too early to give it away. Give us a little more time.
Sarge
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 03, 2011, 12:27:24 PM
...and this composer still walks the earth.
Okay, that mind-blowing fact just sunk in....the composer who wrote the music in that clip is
still alive? :o
Sarge
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 03, 2011, 12:27:24 PM
Some obscure composers are routinely discussed here. There are 10 times as many posts in the Brian thread as in the Beethoven thread, I believe. (No it's not Brian.) But no, not a major, and this composer still walks the earth.
Brian has one thread...Beethoven has probably six dozen. I'm sure Beethoven has been discussed far more than Brian. It's just spread out more.
Sarge
This might be a baltic composer - a lot of them began quite influenced by Shostakovich, Stravinsky and the like. Einar Englund never shook off the influence. Perhaps Aho?
Wolfgang Rihm started neoromantic and he still lives. I think Norgard fits as well. but doesn't Norgard sound too Sibelian-esque?
Quote from: DavidW on June 03, 2011, 12:42:56 PM
Wolfgang Rihm started neoromantic and he still lives. I think Norgard fits as well. but doesn't Norgard sound too Sibelian-esque?
Yeah, same with Rautavaara or Sallinen. The style seems to be more eastern European.
Sarge
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 03, 2011, 12:41:49 PM
This might be a baltic composer - a lot of them began quite influenced by Shostakovich, Stravinsky and the like. Einar Englund never shook off the influence. Perhaps Aho?
Aho. Never heard any of his works I'll have to look into him. :)
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 03, 2011, 12:46:51 PM
Yeah, same with Rautavaara or Sallinen. The style seems to be more eastern European.
Sarge
You know I was typing Lutoslawski when I found that Scarpia revealed another hint (still living) that eliminated him. I think you're onto something...
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 03, 2011, 12:51:17 PM
Aho. Never heard any of his works I'll have to look into him. :)
You might like him more than me - as far as his mature works go I'm not too keen, although he's rather good.
I think 36hrs would be a reasonable wait before revealing an answer, for the benefit of members who have to take a day off from this site. It did sound like Roussel, but who now alive wrote three symphonies, ballets, suites, film scores who could have written that and had it recorded.....?
Quote from: listener on June 03, 2011, 01:08:38 PM
I think 36hrs would be a reasonable wait before revealing an answer, for the benefit of members who have to take a day off from this site. It did sound like Roussel, but who now alive wrote three symphonies, ballets, suites, film scores who could have written that and had it recorded.....?
Ok, I'll make an announcement tomorrow morning (my time) if no one figures it out before then.
Quote from: listener on June 03, 2011, 01:08:38 PM
I think 36hrs would be a reasonable wait before revealing an answer, for the benefit of members who have to take a day off from this site. It did sound like Roussel, but who now alive wrote three symphonies, ballets, suites, film scores who could have written that and had it recorded.....?
I don't know this style well, but there is a composer I know of who wrote operas, film score like stuff, and 3 symphonies - Lowell Lieberman.
Henze? Sounds like something that could be from Undine.
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 03, 2011, 01:14:37 PM
Ok, I'll make an announcement tomorrow morning (my time) if no one figures it out before then.
Seems reasonable. Living as I do in Central European Time, that means I can stay up all night pondering, and still have the entire morning to agonize over the riddle ;D
Sarge
Quote from: Drasko on June 03, 2011, 01:20:09 PM
Henze? Sounds like something that could be from Undine.
Is Henze still alive? Must be in his dotage by now.
Sarge
I think you need to be thinking about a living, South American composer. Just sayin'...
8)
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 03, 2011, 01:22:02 PM
I think you need to be thinking about a living, South American composer. Just sayin'...
8)
I'd briefly thought the same thing...but since I know almost nothing about South American composers, I banished the thought :D
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 03, 2011, 01:21:21 PM
Is Henze still alive? Must be in his dotage by now.
Sarge
Just looked him up, yes Henze is still alive. :)
Quote from: Leon on June 03, 2011, 01:23:19 PM
If it Golijov I'll eat my mouse.
If you mouse is knowledgeable about music he is very happy right now.
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 03, 2011, 01:23:03 PM
I'd briefly thought the same thing...but since I know almost nothing about South American composers, I banished the thought :D
Sarge
Well, he gave us a clue. My knowledge of SA composers is probably less than yours. Living ones at least. I know a fair number of dead ones... :-\
8)
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 03, 2011, 01:25:20 PM
If you mouse is knowledgeable about music he is very happy right now.
Do we have a winner?
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 03, 2011, 01:27:43 PM
Do we have a winner?
Ooops, was I unclear? The knowledgeable mouse would realize it is not Golijov and that he is in no danger of being eaten in the immediate future.
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 03, 2011, 01:29:36 PM
Ooops, was I unclear? The knowledgeable mouse would realize it is not Golijov and that he is in no danger of being eaten in the immediate future.
We're on our third bottle of wine...so, you were clear, I wasn't ;D
Sarge
Scarps, don't give it away yet. I'm still working on it.
Okay, I give up. The composers I checked this morning didn't pan out: either dead or on the wrong continent or sylistically different.
Valentin Silvestrov is my wild guess, shouted out as the buzzer sounds. (Gurn's South American suggestion keeps nagging me though...)
Sarge
The Mystery Piece is
Henri Dutilleux
Le Loup - Fragments Symphoniques
Orchestre de la Societe des Concerts du Conservatoire
Georges Pretre
October 1961, Salle Wagram, Paris, EMI France
There were a few guesses of Roussel, which I think comes closest. When I first heard the piece it brought Roussel's Bacchus et Ariane to mind. In any case, this is an early work, from 1953 according to the notes, and has a lot more zip to it that Dutilleux's mature work. It's by far my favorite work by Dutilleux.
No one replied to my challenge to guess the orchestra. I didn't imagine that someone would nail that, but I thought the typically French sound of the Paris Conservatoire in 1961 would be a clue.
The piece has only been recorded once, to my knowledge, and is available on this release
[asin]B0018OAP52[/asin]
which also includes the famous Rostropovich recording of the cello concerto. The piece seems to have been popular. I've posted the full third movement, from which I extracted the snip.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/9Nkdq99k/full_snip.html?
:o I have had this on CD for years, probably decades, this shows how often I have listened to it :'(
That was a good one! And my interest is peaked, I've added a Dutilleux cd to my bro cart. :)
So are you going to pass control to Drasko since he came closest?
Quote from: DavidW on June 04, 2011, 07:35:03 AM
That was a good one! And my interest is peaked, I've added a Dutilleux cd to my bro cart. :)
So are you going to pass control to Drasko since he came closest?
Yes, I'd say Drasko came closest, it is his if he wants to take it up. Otherwise I can generate another one, or let someone else volunteer.
I was wrong. I don't own it (only have two works by Dutilleux in my collection: Cinq Métaboles and the Sonatina for Flute and Piano) so this is a real puzzle. I still swear I know the music. I just don't know how I could.
Sarge
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 04, 2011, 07:31:05 AM
The Mystery Piece is
Henri Dutilleux
Le Loup - Fragments Symphoniques
Orchestre de la Societe des Concerts du Conservatoire
Georges Pretre
October 1961, Salle Wagram, Paris, EMI France
The piece seems to have been popular. I've posted the full third movement, from which I extracted the snip.
That's it! I think that seals the deal... that disc has been wish-listed, though not as high-priority. I think this snippet has changed things around.
Quote
http://www.4shared.com/audio/9Nkdq99k/full_snip.html?
Thanks for this.
I have this incarnation of it
[asin]B000026M6R[/asin]
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 04, 2011, 07:31:05 AM
There were a few guesses of Roussel, which I think comes closest. When I first heard the piece it brought Roussel's Bacchus et Ariane to mind.
That was exactly my first thought, Bacchanale from Bacchus et Ariane.
I can do the next round, give me just few minutes to rip, cut and upload.
Ok, here it is. Shouldn't be too difficult.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/UNq_l4S5/game.html
I would guess Lully perhaps?
It sounds 'alla turca' and 18th century.
Rameau Les Indes galantes?
Henry Purcell?
Quote from: DavidW on June 04, 2011, 09:12:48 AM
I would guess Lully perhaps?
I guess it was even simpler than I thought. Are we looking for the piece or you won already?
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 04, 2011, 09:13:31 AM
It sounds 'alla turca' and 18th century.
Right, but wrong century, it's 17th.
Quote from: Drasko on June 04, 2011, 09:28:05 AM
I guess it was even simpler than I thought. Are we looking for the piece or you won already?
Well I don't know the piece, I just picked up on the style. So if you want we can keep playing to see if anyone knows the piece. Else I gotta a stinker to post (nothing like Gurn's though! :o)
No, no need to drag it. It's Marche pour la cérémonie des Turcs from Le Bourgeois gentilhomme.
From this disc:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51e0R-5tZxL.jpg)
the whole intermède on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmYkaqX6Zfg
or excerpt fro staging the play in La Roi Danse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO2HBhwk05g
Looks like some good music, and Minkowski performing, awesome! :)
Alright I'll post mine...
Alrighty here we go, let's have some fun!
whatami.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/audio/XkeRVSNc/whatami.html)
:)
I think I know... The composer's surname starts with an M?
Well you have to give me the name if you want a yes or no! :D
Mendelssohn. Drei Psalmen.
Son of a gun! I thought I had a good one! :D Yeah you win. :)
I understood the words
Aber der im Himmel wohnet, lachet ihrer,
und der Herr spottet ihrer.
and went on a hunt...
Although I have 'won', I must ask another member to put up another riddle, as I don't have the time at the moment... And I have already plagued you with Marx!
Oh and if anyone is interested, this is the cd I have.
[asin]B00009IC6M[/asin]
Some lovely music, and off the beaten path good if you like Mendelssohn but are burned out on the warhorses. 8)
Okay. Changed my mind. I'll put something up after I had my meal...
Here goes...
http://www.4shared.com/audio/zqcwdxIN/Mystery_music2.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/zqcwdxIN/Mystery_music2.html)
A half-serious guess: John Williams?
Don't recognize it. Sounds early 20th century, neo-romantic in style. Parts of it sound sort of British, parts maybe more Scandinavian. I'll make a wild guess and say Dag Wiren.
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 04, 2011, 11:58:31 AM
Don't recognize it. Sounds early 20th century, neo-romantic in style. Parts of it sound sort of British, parts maybe more Scandinavian. I'll make a wild guess and say Dag Wiren.
It isn't Dag Wiren, though you are right in placing it in Northern Europe. It is 20th century, though not as early as you think.
How about Kurt Atterberg?
Nej.
The thought occurred to me as well, but it sounded too simple to be Atterberg.
Well, the composer is a symphonist, like Atterberg...
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 04, 2011, 01:56:24 PM
Well, the composer is a symphonist, like Atterberg...
Yes, but my conception of Atterberg involves textures that are more complex than your clip. (Not that I didn't like the clip.) But of course, what can you really judge from a 1 minute clip?
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 04, 2011, 01:57:47 PM
Yes, but my conception of Atterberg involves textures that are more complex than your clip. (Not that I didn't like the clip.) But of course, what can you really judge from a 1 minute clip?
Agreed. 'My' composer's music is starker and more spare. The work my clip comes from is his happiest creation, in my opinion. If Sarge comes along, he must know it...
The contest sunk beneath the radar during the weekend lull. I took my shot at it. Any other ideas?
Since it's been long enough perhaps J. Z. Herrenberg should post the answer and then another clip?
Wow, this thread has absolutely exploded since I left for vacation! A lot of really enjoyable clips and mystery items, gents, and I will go ahead and say that being completely flummoxed has been a lot more enjoyable than those fairly rare occasions where I've known the answer. Especially in the case of Dutilleux - what a superb piece!
Did you see the atonal Mozart Brian? Gurn is a stinker! ;D
Okay, gents, I was busy. Sorry for the delay. I'll reveal all... The fragment is from the final movement of Symphony No. 4, the 'sinfonia lirica', by... Eduard Tubin. It's the premiere recording of this wonderful piece, conducted by Järvi on BIS.
Wow I suck! I've heard Tubin before, but not the 4th, didn't even recognize the style! :D
Anyone eager and willing to put up a new snippet?
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 06, 2011, 09:33:01 AM
Anyone eager and willing to put up a new snippet?
I have an idea for one, but I won't have access to the disc until tonight.
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 06, 2011, 09:34:09 AM
I have an idea for one, but I won't have access to the disc until tonight.
Fine by me!
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 06, 2011, 09:36:50 AM
Fine by me!
In the meantime - how about an easy one? This is my first use of audacity and that uploader, so maybe we'll see if this works!
http://www.4shared.com/audio/4M0C1ta0/Test_1.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/4M0C1ta0/Test_1.html)
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 06, 2011, 11:09:24 AM
In the meantime - how about an easy one? This is my first use of audacity and that uploader, so maybe we'll see if this works!
http://www.4shared.com/audio/4M0C1ta0/Test_1.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/4M0C1ta0/Test_1.html)
It all works fine. And the piece is very familiar. It's from a ballet, I think. Let the others guess the composer...
Khachaturian Masquerade Waltz
You could dance to it, makes me think of J. Strauss Jr. ;D But maybe russian... I have a feeling that Drasko got it.
Yes, he's right.
Quote from: Drasko on June 06, 2011, 11:13:52 AM
Khachaturian Masquerade Waltz
That's the one. :)
I was listening to Lutoslawski and played the clip without stopping the Luto. Interesting sounds ensued :o
Brian, you've been gone along time, would you like to post one? :) Not of course meaning to usurp Drasco' turn just whenever you feel like it.
Quote from: Drasko on June 06, 2011, 11:13:52 AM
Khachaturian Masquerade Waltz
Ding Ding Ding! I knew it would be quick. It took me over an hour to make that stupid clip (and downloading everything). I chose something I wouldn't mind listening to over and over, and it won't be so easy next time! :) It's from this outstanding disc for those who are interested:
[asin]B00005MO9X[/asin]
Glad it works!
Scarpia was going to upload something later tonight....
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 06, 2011, 11:19:03 AM
Scarpia was going to upload something later tonight....
If someone wants to put one up in the mean time that's fine by me.
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 06, 2011, 11:18:33 AM
Ding Ding Ding! I knew it would be quick. It took me over an hour to make that stupid clip (and downloading everything). I chose something I wouldn't mind listening to over and over, and it won't be so easy next time! :)
Next time at least it will only take you about 5 minutes to prepare the clip! :)
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 06, 2011, 11:21:02 AM
If someone wants to put one up in the mean time that's fine by me.
Ok here's one (starting hint - it's not excerpt but whole piece):
http://www.4shared.com/audio/iUNv-zEw/gameII.html
Something by Ligeti? (If that turns out to be right, I won't be able to come up with a clip now since I am about to hit the sack, so I ask of you continue the game with what Scarpia has to offer. :) )
Well, it's German. And contemporary. They're singing about a 'Peitsche' (whip), which reminds me of Nietzsche...
Not Ligeti.
Good ears Johann! It is German, and it is whip, but not exactly contemporary - piece is more than 50 years old.
Quote from: Drasko on June 06, 2011, 11:56:02 AM
Not Ligeti.
Good ears Johann! It is German, and it is whip, but not exactly contemporary - piece is more than 50 years old.
Zimmermann?
While Scarpia gets home and good and ready to post his piece, here's something which should take you guys no time at all... (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip2.mp3) well, at least a second and a half! ;)
Beethoven.
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 06, 2011, 12:11:50 PM
Zimmermann?
Nope. The composer is about couple of decades older than Zimmermann.
I don't know if I'm allowed another guess. If so, it's my last one - Krenek.
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 06, 2011, 12:16:43 PM
Beethoven.
Correct. And who must we thank for this second of music? (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip3.mp3) ;D
Quote from: Brian on June 06, 2011, 12:28:14 PM
Correct. And who must we thank for this second of music? (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip3.mp3) ;D
Mahler?!
It's getting a little confusing to have overlapping contests. :P
Quote from: Brian on June 06, 2011, 12:28:14 PM
Correct. And who must we thank for this second of music? (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip3.mp3) ;D
I would guess Shostakovich just because you are Brian. :) We should spin this off to another game... super small clips of super famous music. ;D
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 06, 2011, 12:25:39 PM
I don't know if I'm allowed another guess. If so, it's my last one - Krenek.
That's right. Ernst Krenek, the piece is second of
Sechs Motetten Nach Worten Von Franz Kafka Op. 169 written in 1959. From this disc:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/6101FznmlpL.jpg)
and complete text of the motet:
Das Tier entwindet dem Herrn die Peitsche und peitscht sich selbst um Herr zu werden und weiß nicht daß das nur eine Phantasie ist, erzeugt durch einen neuen Knoten im Peitschenriemen des Herrn.
English translation:
The animal wrests the whip from its master and whips itself in order to become master, not knowing that this is only a fantasy produced by a new knot in the master's whiplash.
Quote from: Drasko on June 06, 2011, 12:41:20 PM
That's right. Ernst Krenek, the piece is second of Sechs Motetten Nach Worten Von Franz Kafka Op. 169 written in 1959. From this disc:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/6101FznmlpL.jpg)
and complete text of the motet:
Das Tier entwindet dem Herrn die Peitsche und peitscht sich selbst um Herr zu werden und weiß nicht daß das nur eine Phantasie ist, erzeugt durch einen neuen Knoten im Peitschenriemen des Herrn.
English translation:
The animal wrests the whip from its master and whips itself in order to become master, not knowing that this is only a fantasy produced by a new knot in the master's whiplash.
So, it was Kafka, not Nietzsche. Interesting!
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 06, 2011, 12:29:11 PM
Mahler?!
Bzzzt.
Quote from: DavidW on June 06, 2011, 12:38:40 PM
I would guess Shostakovich just because you are Brian. :) We should spin this off to another game... super small clips of super famous music. ;D
Bzzzt. By the way, my inspiration is our former member Manuel: when he did those "violin clips" quizzes with about 30 clips from obscure violin concertos, he included a half-second of Tchaikovsky's Violin Concerto. I was the guy who identified it. :)
Quote from: Brian on June 06, 2011, 01:21:14 PM
Bzzzt.
Bzzzt. By the way, my inspiration is our former member Manuel: when he did those "violin clips" quizzes with about 30 clips from obscure violin concertos, he included a half-second of Tchaikovsky's Violin Concerto. I was the guy who identified it. :)
Well, it was emotional and Slavonic, so much could be gleaned!
This one is a little change of pace:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/Q1P02qve/mysterysnip.html?
Well, it's some sort of Sonata for Clarinet and Piano...
Well, Scarpia's choice is so interesting (not Bernstein by the way) that I'll go ahead and admit that the one-second clip I posted yesterday is neither Mahler nor Shostakovich, but nevertheless very "emotional and Slavonic": the third movement of Rachmaninov's Symphony No 2.
EDIT: However, the link seems to be down at the moment - Dropbox must be having server issues.
Quote from: Brian on June 07, 2011, 01:29:30 AM
Well, Scarpia's choice is so interesting (not Bernstein by the way) that I'll go ahead and admit that the one-second clip I posted yesterday is neither Mahler nor Shostakovich, but nevertheless very "emotional and Slavonic": the third movement of Rachmaninov's Symphony No 2.
Ah! Yes.
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 07, 2011, 12:21:31 AM
Well, it's some sort of Sonata for Clarinet and Piano...
I think you're on to something there. :)
Whatever it is, it's a hell of a performance, beautifully executed. Sounds American to me
It's not Poulenc. Maybe Honegger's Sonatine?
Quote from: Drasko on June 07, 2011, 05:58:49 AM
It's not Poulenc. Maybe Honegger's Sonatine?
I have a recording of that Sonatine, I should listen to it.
How about Hindemith?
Quote from: Parsifal on June 07, 2011, 06:29:01 AM
How about Hindemith?
Alas no, that's a piece I'd like to hear.
Incidentally, no one has hit the right country yet.
From hearsay, I gather that a certain composer who participates in this board tends to sway towards the evil dark atonal side of music. Could it perhaps be one of his creations when he was less of a honker an atonal composer? ;D ;)
Seriously, I feel that the composer of the piece was first and foremost a pianist. (Just listen to the way the piano "attacks", mixed with good ol' gut instinct. ;D) Hungarian, maybe.
Quote from: Opus106 on June 07, 2011, 07:15:52 AM
From hearsay, I gather that a certain composer who participates in this board tends to sway towards the evil dark atonal side of music. Could it perhaps be one of his creations when he was less of a honker an atonal composer? ;D ;)
Seriously, I feel that the composer of the piece was first and foremost a pianist. (Just listen to the way the piano "attacks", mixed with good ol' gut instinct. ;D) Hungarian, maybe.
If you are referring to Henningmusik, no it is not by that lauded composer. The mystery composer has been gone for nearly 30 years, and like Dr. Henning, is known more for choral music than instrumental works.
Howells?
Correct, sir!
Herbert Howells
Sonata for Clarinet and Piano, second movement, Allegro ritmico, con brio
Thea King, Clarinet, Clifford Benson, Piano
Hyperion
[asin]B000002ZES[/asin]
This means you get to do the next clip. No good deed goes unpunished, the saying goes.
Splendid; I am marshalling my thoughts . . . .
Logistically, I shan't be able to post my Sonic Mystery until tomorrow evening.
So shall I yield the floor between now and then?
Free-for-all!
* waits for Brian to post a .5 s clip of Vivaldi's spring concerto* ;D
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 07, 2011, 09:12:33 AM
Herbert Howells
Sonata for Clarinet and Piano, second movement, Allegro ritmico, con brio
Thea King, Clarinet, Clifford Benson, Piano
Hyperion
Initially, I suspected that it was from the Helios disc of clarinet works that you have mentioned many times before. But then all the works featured in it turned out to be orchestral.
I pipped Nav! (Ought to be a bumper sticker . . . .)
A quickie in a (so far) under-represented form in this thread:
LINK! (http://www.4shared.com/audio/et86f6fy/guess_2.html)
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 07, 2011, 10:12:05 AM
A quickie in a (so far) under-represented form in this thread:
LINK! (http://www.4shared.com/audio/et86f6fy/guess_2.html)
Darn, I was hoping you meant a string quartet. :(
Don't recognize that at all, but my guess is it's Danny Driver playing York Bowen.
Quote from: Brian on June 07, 2011, 10:25:25 AM
Darn, I was hoping you meant a string quartet. :(
Don't recognize that at all, but my guess is it's Danny Driver playing York Bowen.
Definitely post a SQ too - until Karl's is up we can do what we like :-*
The piece and composer are earlier than that. It's not a nocturne or character piece, but a slow introduction to a piano sonata. The composer is not known for this form, but is known for his piano writing in other pieces, which I hope this may be recognisable from (hmm I need to stop giving huge clues - this is the last big one for now ;)).
Alkan?
The composer died at a similar age, but was a generation older. His compositions are more influenced by the first wave of German-language Romantic writers than a figure like Alkan, who was rather more complicated and internal. This composer is also less overtly virtuosic, with a frequent emphasis on poetic qualities in his music. His "Romantic" dramatic moments by later standards sound somewhat sonata-bound and restrained.
Edit: also, because the slow intro was not too representative, try the opening of the allegro section of the same movement: LINK! (http://www.4shared.com/audio/AjR-bHgh/guess_3.html)
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 07, 2011, 01:32:24 PM
The composer died at a similar age, but was a generation older. His compositions are more influenced by the first wave of German-language Romantic writers than a figure like Alkan, who was rather more complicated and internal. This composer is also less overtly virtuosic, with a frequent emphasis on poetic qualities in his music. His "Romantic" dramatic moments by later standards sound somewhat sonata-bound and restrained.
This is the "Elegy" Sonata by
Carl Loewe, whose works at times show
Beethoven's shadow. I recall
Loewe's Totentanz (poem by
Goethe) seeming to fit the words perfectly. After the introduction, the song takes flight before crashing at the end.
Let
Lethe have another turn! I am busy most of tomorrow and on the road to Peoria on Thursday! :o Yes, and the sooner I can turn around and leave Illinois the better! 0:)
Great find, and enjoy your trip!
Next Clip (http://www.4shared.com/audio/SfuOgdqO/mystery.html)
Fun clip!
It's got kind of a Martinů vibe, though his music is normally just a shade or two more gemütlich.
He is definitely a figure of Martinů's type - somebody who was considered to be rather stylistically up-to-date early on, but gradually became eclipsed by more "modern" composers, due to his perfectly reasonable choice to tweak the style that he had developed earlier, rather than overhaul it. Unlike Martinů, however, he lived much longer, which further diminished his "radical"* credentials. His heyday was around 1950.
Edit: *this is not to say that he was ever anything like an ultra-modernist at the beginning of his career, however. Poor choice of word on my part.
Makes me think of George Antheil....?
Sounds a bit like Bloch.
You both have the right country - this composer was a native rather than an immigrant. He was not such a hell-raiser as Antheil.
He is considered to have a distinctive American voice, while still writing music in a personal style (this sets him apart from composers such as Copland, whose populist music was somewhat externally-derived, and Hanson, whose music was a bit of a European import - both of these descriptions somewhat incorrect generalisations, but this is to help elaborate on the composer in question). This compositional voice was recognised by a very major composer of the time in quite a famous, and rather unusual quote.
Oh, must be David Diamond then!
Quote from: Coco on June 08, 2011, 06:07:41 AM
Oh, must be David Diamond then!
Bingo! I would've offered a quote from him which sums up his manner so well, but it would be too easily Googlable, so I shall end with it:
“It is my strong feeling that a romantically inspired contemporary music, tempered by reinvigorated classical technical formulas, is the way out of the present period of creativity chaos in music… To me, the romantic spirit in music is important because it is timeless.”Your turn! :)
Edit: oh wait, I didn't even mention the piece ::) It's his second violin sonata.
Edit2: and for the curious, the "famous quote" about his music was from Schoenberg, who referred to Diamond as an "American Bruckner", with somewhat ambiguous meaning. I believe it was in reply to Diamond asking him whether he should consider writing pieces in the serialist style, and Schoenberg suggesting that he need not.
I thought we could only guess once on the thread, no?
I wasn't aware of the rules (haven't been following the thread, just popped in). If anyone has any objections to my posting the next piece, someone else can do it. :)
Quote from: Coco on June 08, 2011, 06:43:50 AM
I wasn't aware of the rules (haven't been following the thread, just popped in). If anyone has any objections to my posting the next piece, someone else can do it. :)
Go right ahead, I shan't be able to post my clip until this evening.
We've been kinda breaking the rules since day one ;D If David has a problem with things, it's his thread and we should definitely do what he prefers, but the evolution feels okay - especially as not many people are chipping in.
The evolution feels good. The rules should be fluid to optimize fun. :)
Quote from: DavidW on June 08, 2011, 06:51:07 AM
The evolution feels good. The rules should be fluid to optimize fun. :)
Sounds good to me! Can't wait till I get a turn to post a clip
Quote from: Parsifal on June 08, 2011, 06:57:14 AM
Sounds good to me! Can't wait till I get a turn to post a clip
How about after Coco since we'll be still waiting on Karl anyway? You can just follow the instructions on my OP, and PM if you have any questions. :)
Quote from: DavidW on June 08, 2011, 06:59:57 AM
How about after Coco since we'll be still waiting on Karl anyway? You can just follow the instructions on my OP, and PM if you have any questions. :)
Thanks, I'm not home now, so it would be later for me.
Looking forward to hearing Coco's clip.
I love this game, used to play this with record store buddies way back when-- good old 'drop the needle' :)
All right :D I'm having trouble uploading to 4shared so I had to use Mediafire: http://www.mediafire.com/?30aqbc7t60ny21g
This should be fun. :)
Sounds like film music to me...
Wow it has that movie score like sound. Kind of RVW like, certainly british neoromantic or thereabouts...
Quote from: Coco on June 08, 2011, 07:05:23 AM
All right :D I'm having trouble uploading to 4shared so I had to use Mediafire: http://www.mediafire.com/?30aqbc7t60ny21g
This should be fun. :)
I don't know it, but it sounds interesting. Sounds like a mix of Mahler, film music and something else. Hmm - will have to listen later.
It's not film music, he isn't British, and the piece was written in 1913, so the Mahler comparison isn't too far off. :)
For once I am so stumped that I can't even throw in a completely ill-judged super-guess. I think the whole thing was slightly too sensory overload to process :) Really nice choice.
Schreker?
Yes ;D It's his Vorspiel zu einem drama. Schreker is an extremely interesting figure for me, but I only know a small amount of his music.
When you said '1913' and that he wasn't British, I knew. I know his prelude to his opera 'Die Gezeichneten'. This sounded similar.
O, I won't be uploading... It's starting to become a day job!
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 08, 2011, 07:28:07 AM
When you said '1913' and that he wasn't British, I knew. I know his prelude to his opera 'Die Gezeichneten'. This sounded similar.
Yes, that gave it away. Good guessing though!
Well done, Johan!
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 08, 2011, 07:53:59 AM
Well done, Johan!
Yes good job. Unfortunately I missed the entire round
'Tis the nature of the playing-field; roll with it!
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 08, 2011, 08:13:24 AM
'Tis the nature of the playing-field; roll with it!
'Tis the nature of going to lunch and off the computer' :)
Quote from: Coco on June 08, 2011, 07:26:50 AM
Yes ;D It's his Vorspiel zu einem drama. Schreker is an extremely interesting figure for me, but I only know a small amount of his music.
The astonishing thing about the piece for me was how fast it shifted between different moods. I was vaguely thinking, perhaps Zemlinsky or Korngold. I've heard a little Schreker (I seem to recall a Wesler-Most disc) but not enough to make the connection.
Quote from: Parsifal on June 08, 2011, 08:15:33 AM
'Tis the nature of going to lunch and off the computer' :)
Yes! I was just out of doors myself. Beautiful day!
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 08, 2011, 08:17:38 AM
Yes! I was just out of doors myself. Beautiful day!
Maybe in your neck of the woods. Here they're predicting 98 Fahrenheit, (37 Celsius).
Okay... Why not. I have uploaded a haunting snippet of a well-known composer (though many people wouldn't know his name...):
http://www.4shared.com/audio/1XpzCV7T/Mysterymusic_3.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/1XpzCV7T/Mysterymusic_3.html)
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 08, 2011, 08:19:34 AM
Okay... Why not. I have uploaded a haunting snippet of a well-known composer (though many people wouldn't know his name...):
http://www.4shared.com/audio/1XpzCV7T/Mysterymusic_3.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/1XpzCV7T/Mysterymusic_3.html)
When I heard it something in my brain said "Grieg" although that can't be it since everyone knows his name, clearly.
It won't load for me - how mean! (I mean, not even the page, let alone matters of buffering).
Edit: oh now it's fine. Probably my fault :x
Nope.
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 08, 2011, 08:24:06 AM
It won't load for me - how mean! (I mean, not even the page, let alone matters of buffering).
Strange... I'll upload it to Mediafre for you.
I like the music, but don't know it. Just the hint is tantalizing... how could the composer be well known but we don't know his name... perhaps the composer wrote under a pseudonym. And we would know him by the pseudonym but not by his real name...
The Composer Known as Kiki
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 08, 2011, 08:19:34 AM
Okay... Why not. I have uploaded a haunting snippet of a well-known composer (though many people wouldn't know his name...):
http://www.4shared.com/audio/1XpzCV7T/Mysterymusic_3.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/1XpzCV7T/Mysterymusic_3.html)
Orchestration of a tune by
anonymous?
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 08, 2011, 08:24:26 AM
Nope.
Off by 200 years and 5000 miles, or close? My second guess,
The Edge. ;D
http://www.mediafire.com/?3bnp46ep6ndevh2 (http://www.mediafire.com/?3bnp46ep6ndevh2)
I have always found this passage very moving. How people wouldn't know the composer? Because they were busy not listening.
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 08, 2011, 08:24:06 AM
It won't load for me - how mean! (I mean, not even the page, let alone matters of buffering).
Edit: oh now it's fine.
Same thing happened to me.
Quote from: Opus106 on June 08, 2011, 08:28:32 AM
Same thing happened to me.
For me it loaded after a curious delay. Maybe more patience is all that is needed.
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 08, 2011, 08:28:18 AM
http://www.mediafire.com/?3bnp46ep6ndevh2 (http://www.mediafire.com/?3bnp46ep6ndevh2)
I have always found this passage very moving. How people wouldn't know the composer? Because they were busy not listening.
Oh I see not a mystery, we're just snobs! :D Well this is your chance to open our ears to the composer, and my ears are wide open now! :)
Quote from: DavidW on June 08, 2011, 08:31:08 AM
Oh I see not a mystery, we're just snobs! :D Well this is your chance to open our ears to the composer, and my ears are wide open now! :)
Is it a Saul?
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 08, 2011, 08:31:44 AM
Is it a Saul?
No.
Quote from: DavidW on June 08, 2011, 08:31:08 AM
Oh I see not a mystery, we're just snobs! :D Well this is your chance to open our ears to the composer, and my ears are wide open now! :)
When you know who it is, you'll understand my hint is the simple truth... ;D
Added: I thought of uploading this because of an aspect of the Schreker fragment...
It comes tantalisingly close to recalling a mental association with something or other, but... ah, the association is as fragile and unreachable as the music of the excerpt.
It sounds northern, like something Peterson-Berger might write if he were inspired...
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 08, 2011, 08:38:35 AM
It comes tantalisingly close to recalling a mental association with something or other, but... ah, the association is as fragile and unreachable as the music of the excerpt.
It sounds northern, like something Peterson-Berger might write if he were inspired...
Haha!
There is something to that word 'northern', by the way. And your mental association with something else might be quite right...
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 08, 2011, 08:19:34 AM
I have uploaded a haunting snippet of a well-known composer...
...of poems
Quotethough many people wouldn't know his name...
as a composer of music?
;)
:D
Another hint: the music was first heard in 19.... 59.
Yes I was thinking of something Scandinavian, something about the wind writing that reminds me of Sibelius
Quote from: Parsifal on June 08, 2011, 09:04:57 AM
Yes I was thinking of something Scandinavian, something about the wind writing that reminds me of Sibelius
Well, this composer wasn't British, though he liked British music, and he wasn't Scandinavian, though he liked Scandinavian music, too. I am a bit sly here. 'Northern' has more to do with the title than the content...
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 08, 2011, 09:07:31 AM
Well, this composer wasn't British, though he liked British music, and he wasn't Scandinavian, though he liked Scandinavian music, too. I am a bit sly here. 'Northern' has more to do with the title than the content...
So he probably wasn't French or German ;D
Quote from: Parsifal on June 08, 2011, 09:13:03 AM
So he probably wasn't French or German ;D
No. But his surname was German.
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 08, 2011, 09:14:14 AM
No. But his surname was German.
It's not my Roberto Gerhard!
Quote from: Parsifal on June 08, 2011, 09:17:42 AM
It's not my Roberto Gerhard!
No. But the German surname of my mystery composer could also be a first name (though it has one r too many).
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 08, 2011, 09:20:30 AM
No. But the German surname of my mystery composer could also be a first name (though it has one r too many).
BERNARD HERRMANN!
Bravo! It's from North by Northwest, the scene with Mount Rushmore...
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 08, 2011, 09:22:47 AM
Bravo! It's from North by Northwest, the scene with Mount Rushmore...
:D Well thanks for all your clues. I'd love to up something, but I don't have a way to do it when not at home. Perhaps I can do one later :)
Dangit I just rewatched that movie a few months ago, and now that it's said I can hear it now! I get it now, hearing it but not listening...
Edit: curses, it was answered - but what I was going to post may be of curious interest:
So many things you've said make me think Röntgen (the surname was the cap), even though it can't be.
The northern-alluding title: the suite 'Aus Jotunheim' I heard yesterday which had some beautiful slow moments
The Scandanavian-fandom: he was friends with Grieg
The British connection: he was friends with Tovey
Others know his name but not as a composer: as the physicist Wilhelm Röntgen
The 1959 is what sinks this, but you did say "first heard", not "composed". I suspect this isn't right, though, but it's a fun coincidence.
Cor, I might have recognized it, if I could have downloaded the clip! : )
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 08, 2011, 09:25:52 AM
Edit: curses, it was answered - but what I was going to post may be of curious interest:
So many things you've said make me think Röntgen (the surname was the cap), even though it can't be.
The northern-alluding title: the suite 'Aus Jotunheim' I heard yesterday which had some beautiful slow moments
The Scandanavian-fandom: he was friends with Grieg
The British connection: he was friends with Tovey
Others know his name but not as a composer: as the physicist Wilhelm Röntgen
The 1959 is what sinks this, but you did say "first heard", not "composed". I suspect this isn't right, though, but it's a fun coincidence.
Yes, fascinating coincidences. Why I said 'first heard' - I couldn't be sure Herrmann composed the music in the same year the film burst onto the world.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 08, 2011, 09:29:08 AM
Cor, I might have recognized it, if I could have downloaded the clip! : )
As a Hitchcockian, you must have known...
And I re-watched N by NW quite recently!
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 08, 2011, 09:31:55 AM
And I re-watched N by NW quite recently!
I did as well... I must have been distracted by that delicious dish! ;D
(http://www.picitup.com/celebs/http/filmfanatic.org/reviews/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/Saint.JPG)
:)
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 08, 2011, 09:31:55 AM
And I re-watched N by NW quite recently!
So did I on an HD TV, the regular DVD and it looked amazing. I thought James Mason would step out into our room :o
I'm leaving for a holiday tomorrow (see the What Concerts... thread), but I think I'll throw you guys a little curveball before I go. >:D
Anyone for a spot of chamber music? (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip4.mp3)
Quote from: Brian on June 08, 2011, 10:58:21 AM
I'm leaving for a holiday tomorrow (see the What Concerts... thread), but I think I'll throw you guys a little curveball before I go. >:D
Anyone for a spot of chamber music? (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip4.mp3)
Spohr or Hummel?
Is it a nonet by Sphor (Op. 31)?
EDIT: Ack! Misspelt Spohr and beat to the punch.
It is indeed a Nonet... though neither Spohr nor Hummel can claim responsibility.
Also, [cryptic giveaway clue] even though it is a nonet, it's not a nonet.
Quote from: Parsifal on June 08, 2011, 10:24:30 AM
So did I on an HD TV, the regular DVD and it looked amazing. I thought James Mason would step out into our room :o
I saw it on blu-ray, it looked like it was made yesterday! 8)
Quote from: Brian on June 08, 2011, 11:10:15 AM
It is indeed a Nonet... though neither Spohr nor Hummel can claim responsibility.
Also, [cryptic giveaway clue] even though it is a nonet, it's not a nonet.
Then it must be an arrangement. It sounded very Mozartean to me, though it isn't him.
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 08, 2011, 11:15:52 AM
Then it must be an arrangement. It sounded very Mozartean to me, though it isn't him.
I recognize it, I swear it is Mozart. He said when is a nonet not a nonet... when it is for chamber orchestra.
Is it the Sinfonia Concertante for winds?
I'm done googling. 0:) David, I won't reveal the answer (hand on heart).
I was wrong. I remember it now... Brahms serenade #1. Is that it?
Quote from: DavidW on June 08, 2011, 11:42:51 AM
I was wrong. I remember it now... Brahms serenade #1. Is that it?
You had me scared there, Brahms avatar guy! It is indeed the
Brahms Serenade No 1 in D.
Wikipedia:
QuoteThe first serenade was completed in 1857. Originally scored for wind and string octet and then expanded into a longer work for chamber nonet, the serenade was later adapted for orchestra.
The nonet version is available (as reconstructed by some scholar) on this disc:
[asin]B004M3PTT8[/asin]
I just got it from MusicWeb and realized it would be the perfect stumper. :)
Quote from: Brian on June 08, 2011, 12:08:20 PM
You had me scared there, Brahms avatar guy! It is indeed the Brahms Serenade No 1 in D.
Yeah I can't believe I thought Mozart! :D Alright it will be a couple of hours before I go home, but I've got a good one in mind... :)
I feel embarrased at not recognizing it, as Brahms is my self-professed favorite composer. Haven't listened to the serenades in ages. Will have to rectify that.
This recording has been languishing on the shelf for too long.
[asin]B000035X5A[/asin]
I have that recording too Scarpia (recently purchased from BRO), haven't listened to it yet... should try to tonight. :)
When I heard it, I detected the influence of two composers - Mozart and Schubert. And I could hear it was later than either. So - early Brahms doesn't come as a surprise!
Quote from: DavidW on June 08, 2011, 12:35:19 PM
I have that recording too Scarpia (recently purchased from BRO), haven't listened to it yet... should try to tonight. :)
I also have Boult/LP, which is very fine, and Kertesz/WPO. Spending too much time listening to weird things to have time for he real good stuff. :(
[asin]B000HWZAMY[/asin]
Dude! Sometimes the weird stuff and the real good stuff are one & the same!
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 08, 2011, 12:45:21 PM
Dude! Sometimes the weird stuff and the real good stuff are one & the same!
Yes, but not as often as you might think. ;D
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 08, 2011, 12:46:42 PM
Yes, but not as often as you might think. ;D
But neither as seldom. ;D
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 08, 2011, 12:42:11 PM
I also have Boult/LP, which is very fine, and Kertesz/WPO. Spending too much time listening to weird things to have time for he real good stuff. :(
Oh yeah Kertesz is great, got it a few years ago based on a forum rec, can't remember who now, maybe you! :D
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 08, 2011, 06:12:04 AM
Edit2: and for the curious, the "famous quote" about (David Diamond's) music was from Schoenberg, who referred to Diamond as an "American Bruckner", with somewhat ambiguous meaning. I believe it was in reply to Diamond asking him whether he should consider writing pieces in the serialist style, and Schoenberg suggesting that he need not.
Schoenberg was just trying to limit competition! ;D
And anyway,
Karl Henning will become our American
Bruckner: future GMG members will marvel at the transformation of the miniaturist and choral master into a creator of soundscapes using a minimum of 27 brass players! :o
I await the day when Karl writes a long opera... so I can accuse him of being Wagnerian! ;D ;D
Here is the mystery clip: mysteryclip.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/audio/AZEdeY1x/mysteryclip.html)
That should last until Karl posts his. :)
A gorecki SQ, I think no.2.
Ha! Wow that was fast! :D Yeah you got it, your turn. :)
Quote from: DavidW on June 08, 2011, 02:25:17 PM
I await the day when Karl writes a long opera... so I can accuse him of being Wagnerian! ;D ;D
Here is the mystery clip: mysteryclip.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/audio/AZEdeY1x/mysteryclip.html)
That should last until Karl posts his. :)
If you were Gurn, I'd swear that clip was Mozart. ;D
Sorry, I love the piece and was showing off :( I definitely shouldn't post any more for a while - maybe somebody who hasn't done one yet wants to step in?
Quote from: Brian on June 08, 2011, 02:28:57 PM
If you were Gurn, I'd swear that clip was Mozart. ;D
;D Yeah if Gurn ever posts again people will throw out the most unlikely candidates just on principle! :D
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 08, 2011, 02:30:01 PM
Sorry, I love the piece and was showing off :( I definitely shouldn't post any more for a while - maybe somebody who hasn't done one yet wants to step in?
Oh no that's cool, I thought it was a good one because... I thought I was the only one that liked it! It makes me feel good to know that I'm not alone. :)
I still haven't warmed up to #3 yet...
Anyway we have Karl and our new poster up this evening. If anyone can't wait, just post something. :)
The silence, it must be broken!
LINK! (http://www.4shared.com/audio/lbGyfwky/idk.html)
I like how much new music I've discovered from this thread.
Reminds me of Gustav Holst....?
I'm not aware of any personal relation between the two, although both composers had similarly short lifespans and were almost contemporaries. Rather like Holst in England, in his own country this composer was amongst a wave of composers aiming to help establish a national style after a bit of a dry spell (the parallels of this musical decline and ascendence actually mirror England's in its timeline).
Nielsen Aladdin Suite?
Further south - this composer never developed quite the personal language of some of his national contemporaries, and certainly not Nielsen - although his music retains a brilliance and colour that keeps his name on the fringes of the repertoire.
Edit: I really must hear that piece you mention, though - I neglect Nielsen's music for some reason :(
Ok, I guess: an early piece by Respighi I don't know.
Spanish? On first spin clip sounded stock oriental, but on re-listen rhythm suggests Moorish rather than Middle East. Turina perhaps?
Quote from: Drasko on June 09, 2011, 04:08:56 AM
Turina perhaps?
Bingo! It's the last of his three danzas fantásticas.
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 09, 2011, 04:16:31 AM
Bingo! It's the last of his three danzas fantásticas.
That was a good one, I never would have thought of him
Quote from: Parsifal on June 09, 2011, 04:54:59 AM
That was a good one, I never would have thought of him
Never even heard of him! :D This is beginning to feel like a musical appreciation course (in a good way). ;D
A very cool thread.
(I'm just waiting now for my PC to run its anti-viral update and scan . . . and then I can perform the operation which will result in a clip . . . .)
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 09, 2011, 05:10:22 AM
and then I can perform the operation which will result in a clip . . . .)
Abbra cadabra!! ;D
First: here she is (http://karl_p_henning.tripod.com/mystery_clip_8_June_2011.mp3).
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 09, 2011, 06:15:01 AM
First: here she is (http://karl_p_henning.tripod.com/mystery_clip_8_June_2011.mp3).
Just tried to listen to that here at school - but the site is blocked. Category? 'Kids time wasting' ;D
Haven't played this game yet - seems like the sort of thing that would only snare me into wasting time I don't have (perhaps the filter is right!). Something like the mystery scores thread, which is and will always be my favourite thread ever. So, perhaps best not to even get started!
Quote from: Luke on June 09, 2011, 06:17:54 AM
Just tried to listen to that here at school - but the site is blocked. Category? 'Kids time wasting' ;D
Hah! For lack of anywhere else, I uploaded the file to my Tripod site. I can e-mail it to someone for better hosting (the mp3 file has no compromizing information). Or . . . I can split it into two files which I could then attach . . . let me do that . . . .
Dutilleux's 2nd symphony?
No, but not at all a bad guess.
Don't worry, Karl! I'm sure everyone else can hear it, and I'll be able to do so too when I get home. Besides, as I said, I probably shouldn't really let myself be tempted anyway.
In any case, I wouldn't have got any of the older samples that I've listened to on this thread either (I haven't really been following the thread, and just dipped a toe with a couple of samples earlier on today)
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 09, 2011, 06:25:31 AM
No, but not at all a bad guess.
It's that tympani melody! It's so reminiscent of something I've heard before. Anyway — lovely music, whatever it is.
this one has me stumped :-[
Luke,here you go!
Part I
Part II
Aw, thanks, Karl! really had better try now, then! have listened once - it certainly is very nice, there is something familiar about it, but maybe it's just that the harmonies are reminding me of other people...
The clapping in background makes it interesting, different... :)
Quote from: Coco on June 09, 2011, 06:24:46 AM
Dutilleux's 2nd symphony?
Although, as with Dutilleux, I expect that Boulez didn't have any time for him when he was in town.
Don't know the piece but wild guess...Benjamin Lees?
Quote from: Luke on June 09, 2011, 06:36:04 AM
Aw, thanks, Karl! really had better try now, then! have listened once - it certainly is very nice, there is something familiar about it, but maybe it's just that the harmonies are reminding me of other people...
Does feel very much "of a school," though not faceless . . . probably a strange remark of mine, since I selected this in hopes of baffling ; )
Quote from: Il Furioso on June 09, 2011, 07:11:50 AM
Don't know the piece but wild guess...Benjamin Lees?
Wow, never heard of him. "My" composer though is of the generation before.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 09, 2011, 07:14:03 AM
Wow, never heard of him. "My" composer though is of the generation before.
Wrote some nice stuff for brass, that was all I was going on!
And this is some sweet brass, quite right : )
The percussion reminds me of Varèse, which in turn makes me want to say the composer is an American, by birth or adoption. The harmonies make me think pre-50s modernist.
Quote from: Coco on June 09, 2011, 07:17:45 AM
The percussion reminds me of Varèse, which in turn makes me want to say the composer is an American, by birth or adoption.
Native.Quote from: CocoThe harmonies make me think pre-50s modernist.
The piece itself is later, but that is indeed the "center of gravity" of this composer's music.
Howard Hanson?
Nay. But Hanson & "my" composer have something interesting in common (apart from both being American composers, I mean) . . . .
Can I have another guess?
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 09, 2011, 07:14:03 AM
Wow, never heard of him. "My" composer though is of the generation before.
Mr Lees passed away a year ago, virtually forgotten, a 'neo-classicist' I would say
George Rochberg
Alas, no.
Should I wait for another guesser or two before venturing a clue? Clues would be quite a tightrope to walk, I think . . . .
How about Donald Erb?
No, but there is an Erb-like guts to it, isn't there?
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 09, 2011, 08:12:13 AM
No, but there is an Erb-like guts to it, isn't there?
Another underrated composer, glad you know of him
Any more clues?
Just because you used the word she in your initial post: is it by Nadia Boulanger?
EDIT: She's not a native USAmerican, so strike that out.
Interesting take, Nav! No, it's an American composer, male. I don't believe he studied with Boulanger himself, but he took lessons from a fellow American composer who had studied with Boulanger.
My excerpt is from one movement of what is a symphony, but it has some Requiem-like implications.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 09, 2011, 08:25:40 AM
Interesting take, Nav! No, it's an American composer...
I realised that a little later while reviewing earlier posts. Interestingly, since you had written
of a school in quotes in one of them, I thought it was a reference to the Paris Conservatory. ;D
QuoteI don't believe he studied with Boulanger himself, but he took lessons from a fellow American composer who had studied with Boulanger.[/font]
Okay, my last guess for this round, based on what you said above: William Schuman. Is that even his style?... I have absolutely no idea.
The school was a soft-pedaling hint on the lines of Schuman's being (as was Hanson) the head of a prestigious US music school.
The clip is from the middle movement (Offertorium) from the Ninth Symphony, named Le fosse Ardeatine, from pits where Nazis massacred "a total of 335 Italian hostages [...] composed of civilians, Italian prisoners of war (up to General rank), previously captured partisans and some inmates from Roman prisons." The symphony dates from 1968, and seems to be a 25th anniversary commemoration of the atrocity.
Incidentally, this thread was the occasion for my at last visiting this piece, which I've had in the Naxos Schuman Symphonies box for almost a year.
Nav, I'll yield "the shoe" to you, but for fun I am going to post another clip which I prepared in the event that no one guessed. In compliance with The Rules, it is from a very different epoch.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 09, 2011, 08:57:10 AM
The school was a soft-pedaling hint on the lines of Schuman's being (as was Hanson) the head of a prestigious US music school.
The clip is from the middle movement (Offertorium) from the Ninth Symphony, named Le fosse Ardeatine, from pits where Nazis massacred "a total of 335 Italian hostages [...] composed of civilians, Italian prisoners of war (up to General rank), previously captured partisans and some inmates from Roman prisons." The symphony dates from 1968, and seems to be a 25th anniversary commemoration of the atrocity.
Incidentally, this thread was the occasion for my at last visiting this piece, which I've had in the Naxos Schuman Symphonies box for almost a year.
Nav, I'll yield "the shoe" to you, but for fun I am going to post another clip which I prepared in the event that no one guessed. In compliance with The Rules, it is from a very different epoch.
Wow. I became interested in the work due to the subject matter, and even watched a film based on the horrific incident it commemorates. But I never got around to getting to know the music....congratulations on getting it
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 09, 2011, 08:57:10 AM
Nav, I'll yield "the shoe" to you, but for fun I am going to post another clip which I prepared in the event that no one guessed. In compliance with The Rules, it is from a very different epoch.
:) It'll probably take a while for me to come up with a clip that will puzzle at least a few people. After all, how many wouldn't know the 5th Brandenburg Concerto? (Oops!)
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 09, 2011, 08:57:10 AM
The school was a soft-pedaling hint on the lines of Schuman's being (as was Hanson) the head of a prestigious US music school.
The clip is from the middle movement (Offertorium) from the Ninth Symphony, named Le fosse Ardeatine, from pits where Nazis massacred "a total of 335 Italian hostages [...] composed of civilians, Italian prisoners of war (up to General rank), previously captured partisans and some inmates from Roman prisons." The symphony dates from 1968, and seems to be a 25th anniversary commemoration of the atrocity.
Incidentally, this thread was the occasion for my at last visiting this piece, which I've had in the Naxos Schuman Symphonies box for almost a year.
Nav, I'll yield "the shoe" to you, but for fun I am going to post another clip which I prepared in the event that no one guessed. In compliance with The Rules, it is from a very different epoch.
Sounds very French to me, with Wagner and Debussy in the background.
Quote from: Opus106 on June 09, 2011, 09:01:28 AM
:) It'll probably take a while for me to come up with a clip that will puzzle at least a few people. After all, how many wouldn't know the 5th Brandenburg Concerto? (Oops!)
Oh what a give-away! ; ) While Nav is preparing his clip, we can see how long it doesn't take folks to identify the attachment here (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,18633.msg525401.html#msg525401).
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 09, 2011, 09:06:30 AM
Sounds very French to me, with Wagner and Debussy in the background.
It is French, indeed!
The tangent off the Schuman is a not-quite-Requiem angle to the work.
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 09, 2011, 09:06:30 AM
Sounds very French to me, with Wagner and Debussy in the background.
And two particularly apt 'hinges', Johan.
There are several French composers I can think of... I'll see what the others come up with, before trying one of mine. I have to go out, too...
Knowing Karl I was expecting Berlioz... but not that... I don't know maybe something more like Faure?
I'm gonna guess Saint-Saëns.
Neither Fauré nor Saint-Saëns, though you are both perforce warm.
There is a literary character referenced in the piece, though the poem is a "secondary" text (though I believe I excerpted a bit with vocalise, so the text isn't given away) . . . .
How about Guy Ropartz?
Cor, never heard of him! "My" composer is . . . fameux.
I'm off to the beach. Will check in from time to time.
My guess - Florent Schmitt.
Since I may not be visiting GMG for the next 18 or 19 hours, I'll post the link to my clip now, so that you can continue once Karl's has been figured out.
http://www.mediafire.com/?y138sbpk3vuve1r (http://www.mediafire.com/?y138sbpk3vuve1r)
And because I won't be visiting the site for that long, I won't be here to provide clues (sorry :( ) and more importantly, to confirm or refute answers. So in the interest of the game continuing in my absence, I present to you the second link:
http://www.mediafire.com/?upe4kl0k03a3y9m (http://www.mediafire.com/?upe4kl0k03a3y9m)
It links to a password-protected Zip file which contains a text file with the answer. The password is the surname of the composer (lowercase) -- it's as simple as that. :) (But I do hope that WinZip/WinRar will handle it properly for those on Windows, as I haven't confirmed if they do.) In the event of someone finding the answer out, he or she may choose to perform the role of the clue/answer-giver if others so wish.
Navneeth that is a clever way to setup the answer!! :)
Quote from: DavidW on June 09, 2011, 11:28:59 AM
Navneeth that is a clever way to setup the answer!! :)
Indeed!!
Not Schmitt. A well-travelled Frenchman. Though a Med school dropout.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 09, 2011, 11:45:27 AM
Not Schmitt. A well-travelled Frenchman. Though a Med school dropout.
Medical School Dropout, that matches Berlioz. I thought he was suggested and tossed aside already.
Davey's post was a curiosity. Didn't strike me as offering Berlioz as a guess, but as his deciding (aloud) not to.
If you are guessing Berlioz, what is the piece (per thread title)? < Smiley >
Davey, if you meant that for a guess, I apologize for being obtuse ...
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 09, 2011, 12:42:27 PM
Davey, if you meant that for a guess, I apologize for being obtuse ...
No it wasn't, you read me right. :)
OTOH, it was a break for me — I did not deny that it was Berlioz, and the impression was somehow given off that he'd been discounted! : )
What threw Davey was, it's not a piece that Munch recorded with the BSO ...
That means that I have not heard it then, because I only knew what is in the Munch set! :D Well that gets me off the hook... ;D
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 09, 2011, 12:48:48 PM
OTOH, it was a break for me — I did not deny that it was Berlioz, and the impression was somehow given off that he'd been discounted! : )
What threw Davey was, it's not a piece that Munch recorded with the BSO ...
No Munch recording means no Damnation of Faust, Romeo et al, Requiem. Te Deum?
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 09, 2011, 12:38:02 PM
Davey's post was a curiosity. Didn't strike me as offering Berlioz as a guess, but as his deciding (aloud) not to.
If you are guessing Berlioz, what is the piece (per thread title)? < Smiley >
Is this Tristia? I think that has a wordless chorus in it. But I've never heard it myself.
Cléopâtre? Sardanapale?
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 09, 2011, 01:29:10 PM
Is this Tristia? I think that has a wordless chorus in it. But I've never heard it myself.
One of the numbers of Tristia, though there is a text (I just snipped a bit with vocalise): La mort d'Ophélie.
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 09, 2011, 01:04:25 PM
. . . Te Deum?
Oh, not nearly monumental enough! : )So now: Nav's clip reigneth . . . .
Wow, I've heard this tune before!
http://www.youtube.com/v/g04aCp3ej-I
What program do you have to use to be able to put in a password? Windows doesn't prompt it simply returns an error.
Never mind I figured out what to do... install 7-zip. Windows 7 simply doesn't handle password protected zip files.
Quote from: DavidW on June 10, 2011, 05:58:08 AM
What program do you have to use to be able to put in a password?
I assumed that any archiving program (WinZip, for example) would be able to do that. I'm really sorry if none of you were prompted for a password or all were shown an error message. Now that I'm back, you can begin guessing in the usual way.
David, if you have access to Ubuntu via VM, you can try opening in that, because I used the default archiving utility that comes with the OS.
Nav, I couldn't download your clip (probably not your look-out ; )
Quote from: Opus106 on June 10, 2011, 06:10:28 AM
I assumed that any archiving program (WinZip, for example) would be able to do that. I'm really sorry if none of you were prompted for a password or all were shown an error message. Now that I'm back, you can begin guessing in the usual way.
David, if you have access to Ubuntu via VM, you can try opening in that, because I used the default archiving utility that comes with the OS.
My Ubuntu VM is on my laptop, I'm currently on a desktop... it's alright though 7-zip works. Well it works well in telling me that I'm wrong! :P :D
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 10, 2011, 06:15:22 AM
Nav, I couldn't download your clip (probably not your look-out ; )
Any error messages popping up, Karl? (MF tells me that the file has been downloaded 16 times so far.)
Quote from: DavidW on June 10, 2011, 06:17:19 AM
My Ubuntu VM is on my laptop, I'm currently on a desktop... it's alright though 7-zip works. Well it works well in telling me that I'm wrong! :P :D
Reading that made me happy -- twice! ;D
Quote from: Opus106 on June 10, 2011, 06:19:01 AM
Any error messages popping up, Karl?
No, it's a workplace nanny.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 10, 2011, 06:23:03 AM
No, it's a workplace nanny.
Ah. If the nanny likes 4shared, I'll upload it there.
'Twould be lovely, thanks!
All right, here it is.
http://www.4shared.com/embed/636460126/84e6f175
Hmm, fugue, string quartet. Mendelssohn?
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 10, 2011, 07:11:30 AM
Hmm, fugue, string quartet. Mendelssohn?
Indeed, the first parts are quite obvious. But the man who penned it was born later... much later.
Quote from: Opus106 on June 10, 2011, 07:14:43 AM
Indeed, the first parts are quite obvious. But the man who penned it was born later... much later.
Yes I thought 20th C, in fact I thought of Samuel Barber.
Quote from: Parsifal on June 10, 2011, 07:16:13 AM
Yes I thought 20th C, in fact I thought of Samuel Barber.
This snip has the mood to match the famous movement of Op. 11, but composed by Barber it was not.
Quote from: Opus106 on June 10, 2011, 07:14:43 AM
Indeed, the first parts are quite obvious. But the man who penned it was born later... much later.
Well, I appreciate your efforts so that I might play! : )
Quote from: Parsifal on June 10, 2011, 07:16:13 AM
Yes I thought 20th C, in fact I thought of Samuel Barber.
That is immediately what I thought, and it didn't work! :D
Not knowing the piece, I was borderline . . . genuinely old, or backward-looking 20th-c.? (Not that there's anything worng with that.) Feeling that it was a toss-up, I went for the less laborious possibility first ; )
I didn't even know that Navneeth listened to composers other than Bach! :D
Quote from: DavidW on June 10, 2011, 07:40:48 AM
I didn't even know that Navneeth listened to composers other than Bach! :D
Actually, I don't. I just googled for "classical musical clip that will stump others in a guessing game on an internet forum" and this was among the results.
Quote from: Opus106 on June 10, 2011, 07:50:56 AM
Actually, I don't. I just googled for "classical musical clip that will stump others in a guessing game on an internet forum" and this was among the results.
To me, that suggests it might be atypical of its composer. Perhaps a composer not known for polyphonic writing
Quote from: Parsifal on June 10, 2011, 07:57:54 AM
To me, that suggests it might be atypical of its composer. Perhaps a composer not known for polyphonic writing
Oh, I surely hope you didn't take that bit about the googling seriously. ;D But your suspicion is perhaps right. I'm not familiar with the composer's output as such, I just happened to have some of his works on the hard-drive. The movement from which this clip was taken is in a way atypical of the rest of the work.
Quote from: Opus106 on June 10, 2011, 08:04:30 AM
Oh, I surely hope you didn't take that bit about the googling seriously.
;) I did, since I don't know any of you yet, and must take what you write at face value. Certainly not a problem.
It's not by Richard Strauss, by any chance?
Quote from: Parsifal on June 10, 2011, 08:10:32 AM
It's not by Richard Strauss, by any chance?
Not Strauss. None of them, related or not.
Here's another clue: this composer was born after the Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria was assassinated.
After, but not as any direct result . . . .
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 10, 2011, 08:18:55 AM
After, but not as any direct result . . . .
Brilliant elucidation, Karl! Now give me the name of the composer. ;D
Hmm... this doesn't seem to be going anywhere. While misleading the listener is what was intended, I didn't expect it to happen to such a degree. Don't let the sombre melody fool you into thinking that the composer is well known. He's relatively unknown, and you'll probably be considered as "cool" (or weird) in some circles if you listen to him. ;D
Everyone is still in that "This isn't Vivaldi, is it?" state of near-shock ; )
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 10, 2011, 09:01:30 AM
Everyone is still in that "This isn't Vivaldi, is it?" state of near-shock ; )
C'mon, Karl, everyone knows that Vivaldi didn't write string quartets. :P
We're all here . . . waiting for the continuo to drop in . . . it's . . . maddening . . . .
I'm thinking of that German(ic) composer who wrote a lot of chamber music, last name starts with R...
Quote from: Parsifal on June 10, 2011, 09:21:49 AM
I'm thinking of that German(ic) composer who wrote a lot of chamber music, last name starts with R...
Well, I'll wait until you make a guess. ;)
Quite right, Nav!
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 10, 2011, 10:30:32 AM
Quite right, Nav!
Not trying to cheat....just thinking 'out loud'
Reger?
This composer was a compatriot of Barber. :)
Quote from: Opus106 on June 10, 2011, 10:55:56 AM
This composer was a compatriot of Barber. :)
Menotti?
Nope. But pretty much the same time period, give or take a few years.
How about Randall Thomson?
Quote from: Parsifal on June 10, 2011, 11:02:16 AM
How about Randall Thomson?
I just looked up his name on Wikipedia and it seems that he was born in the nineteenth century.
Quote from: Opus106 on June 10, 2011, 11:05:01 AM
I just looked up his name on Wikipedia and it seems that he was born in the nineteenth century.
Yes bad guess, and I misspelled him without the P,
Virgil Thomson has no P, but he's too famous to be the one
Rorem?
To speed things up a bit: this movement is an island of tonality surrounded by the choppy waters of caco dodecaphony. ;D
Oh, and the group which performed at the première wasn't required to fly across the Atlantic. ;)
Not Rorem, Karl.
Quote from: Opus106 on June 10, 2011, 11:16:04 AM
To speed things up a bit: this movement is an island of tonality surrounded by the choppy waters of caco dodecaphony. ;D
Oh, and the group which performed at the première wasn't required to fly across the Atlantic. ;)
Sounds interesting......Wallingford Riegger? Uh, born too early... ???
If this was a telephone directory, he'd be listed somewhere between the last two guesses.
George Rochberg
Quote from: Parsifal on June 10, 2011, 11:22:05 AM
George Rochberg
Finally! :) Rochberg is correct. It's the second movement from his fourth string quartet (II. Fuga). The snippet you heard was from the recording of the premier, or so I'm told, performed at the Harrison Auditorium in Pennsylvania, USA on 20 Jan., 1979 by the Concord Quartet. This work was introduced to the world along with quartets Nos. 5 and 6. The last three quartets together are referred to as the "Concord Quartets". One of the members at
SymphonyShare (http://groups.google.com/group/Symphonyshare/browse_thread/thread/de26d60e59f2060b/63fd7619c17c0646) posted these recordings to the group.
Nicely done!
Sorry we had to hammer that out for so long, it was a good choice. Actually Rochberg got fairly famous for a while, when he turned away from atonality, but I think he was superceded by the so-called minimalist Americans
Quote from: Parsifal on June 10, 2011, 11:31:20 AM
Sorry we had to hammer that out for so long, it was a good choice. Actually Rochberg got fairly famous for a while, when he turned away from atonality, but I think he was superceded by the so-called minimalist Americans
Congrats! Now it's up to you to post a clip. :) I had to keep myself abreast of some of the facts (read: statements available in Wikipedia ;)) of Rochberg's life for this game, and it was interesting to read that this was not the only work of his which included tonal parts in an otherwise atonal composition. He even included Pachelbel's Canon in the quartet No. 6!
Quote from: Opus106 on June 10, 2011, 11:37:23 AM
Congrats! Now it's up to you to post a clip. :) I had to keep myself abreast of some of the facts (read: statements available in Wikipedia ;)) of Rochberg's life for this game, and it was interesting to read that this was not the only work of his which included tonal parts in an otherwise atonal composition. He even included Pachelbel's Canon in the quartet No. 6!
re: the Pachelbel --After years working in record stores and hearing hundreds of requests for that piece (in some of the funniest mispronuniciations and misspellings) I would cringe to hear it again
Thanks, I will love to post a clip, if you guys can hold on for about 90 minutes. I need to leave work, get home and make it ;D
Quote from: Parsifal on June 10, 2011, 11:40:13 AM
re: the Pachelbel --After years working in record stores and hearing hundreds of requests for that piece (in some of the funniest mispronuniciations and misspellings) I would cringe to hear it again
You can't escape Pachelbel, he follows you everywhere. ;D
http://www.youtube.com/v/JdxkVQy7QLM
Quote from: Opus106 on June 10, 2011, 11:45:21 AM
You can't escape Pachelbel, he follows you everywhere. ;D
http://www.youtube.com/v/JdxkVQy7QLM
:D Pretty good! I had customers as for the "Twatchelbell Kannon" and "The Parker Ball Canon"...
Ok, here's my mystery clip:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/ukXIskzB/XMystery_10June.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/ukXIskzB/XMystery_10June.html)
EDIT:Clip is now 1 min in length :D
Oh dear. At that length, I try to think hard about it, but I just end up enjoying the movement ;D
I don't know the piece, but my first impression is that there is a certain Tansman-ish quality to it.
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 10, 2011, 01:56:46 PM
I don't know the piece, but my first impression is that there is a certain Tansman-ish quality to it.
You may be in the right sector of the globe ;)
Schnittke, Concerto for Oboe, Harp and String Orchestra?
Quote from: Octo_Russ on June 10, 2011, 10:44:08 PM
Schnittke, Concerto for Oboe, Harp and String Orchestra?
good guess, but not Schnittke
this composer was influenced by a major French composer of the previous generation
Ah ok, how many guesses do i get?, i can definitely hear Oboe and Harp, so...
how about Lutoslawski's Double Concerto for Oboe, Harp and Chamber Orchestra?, it fits with the Polish / Tansman clue ;)
Quote from: Octo_Russ on June 11, 2011, 03:53:43 AM
Ah ok, how many guesses do i get?, i can definitely hear Oboe and Harp, so...
how about Lutoslawski's Double Concerto for Oboe, Harp and Chamber Orchestra?, it fits with the Polish / Tansman clue ;)
No not Lutoslawski, another favorite of mine
Frank Martin?
Quote from: Coco on June 11, 2011, 05:33:15 AM
Frank Martin?
Yes! Trois Danses for oboe, harp, string quintet and orchestra ;)
Your turn Coco
OK! Here it is.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/ynETZOAd/mystery.html
That sounds fairly low key, I would think a solo harp piece from perhaps the 20th century. It's not a transcription right?
Takemitsu - All in Twilight?
It's not harp, but it is from the 20th Century. It's not Takemitsu.
It's not a transcription as far as I know.
Oh man that sucks! I didn't even identify the instrument right! Is it a lute?
No, but the dedicatee of the piece was famous for playing the lute. :)
Quote from: Coco on June 11, 2011, 08:16:05 AM
No, but the dedicatee of the piece was famous for playing the lute. :)
Oh wait classical guitar like Rodrigo?
Quote from: DavidW on June 11, 2011, 08:19:50 AM
Oh wait classical guitar like Rodrigo?
Yep, not Rodrigo though.
Lennox Berkeley - Guitar sonata dedicated to Julian Bream?
Quote from: Parsifal on June 11, 2011, 08:48:05 AM
Lennox Berkeley - Guitar sonata dedicated to Julian Bream?
It's not Berkeley, but Bream assisted with the guitar parts (and wasn't the dedicatee as I'd mistakenly thought).
Benjamin Britten?
Nope!
Hint: This composer is still alive.
How about Richard Rodney Bennett?
No — the composer is not British, and was born somewhat earlier than Bennett (new name to me, by the way).
The composer has written a lengthy autobiography.
Henze?
Yes. The excerpt is from his Kammermusik 1958, for tenor, guitar and 8 solo instruments.
Ok, not to waste time here is the next one
http://www.4shared.com/audio/OYvdAZpT/gameIV.html
Harrison Birtwistle - Chronometer
Yep! That was easy. Can hardly be mistaken for some other piece 8)
Haha, sorry to guess so quickly. :D I just happened to have downloaded it not too long ago.
I don't want to hog all the questions, so someone else can post one. If no one does I'll think of something.
Quote from: Drasko on June 11, 2011, 11:57:00 AM
Yep! That was easy. Can hardly be mistaken for some other piece... 8)
... or a construction site from afar. :-\
Quote from: Opus106 on June 11, 2011, 12:00:44 PM
... or a construction site from afar. :-\
Featuring sound recordings of Big Ben and the Wells clock (one of the oldest surviving clocks, continuously running since 1392) from London's Science Museum, Chronometer was one of the most complex electronic music endeavours of all time. Four sets of 100 sequences were created from these samples using computer analysis, and Birtwistle prepared a score laying out the tensions, mood and form of the piece, which was then reinterpreted by the Musys computer programme to send instructions to a host of tape recorders to start, stop, filter, amplify or distort the sounds accordinglycan be downloaded from here - LP rip, flac(wait 10 sec, then click link)
http://files.mail.ru/30KDEU
Quote from: Drasko on June 11, 2011, 12:04:10 PM
Featuring sound recordings of Big Ben and the Wells clock (one of the oldest surviving clocks, continuously running since 1392) from London's Science Museum, Chronometer was one of the most complex electronic music endeavours of all time. Four sets of 100 sequences were created from these samples using computer analysis, and Birtwistle prepared a score laying out the tensions, mood and form of the piece, which was then reinterpreted by the Musys computer programme to send instructions to a host of tape recorders to start, stop, filter, amplify or distort the sounds accordingly
can be downloaded from here - LP rip, flac(wait 10 sec, then click link)
http://files.mail.ru/30KDEU
Thanks.
Thanks, I collect Birtwistle, but I did not have that piece! :)
Since I don't read Russian, I can't figure out how to download. I wait 10 sec and click the link under the clock icon, to the right? I never does anything when I try it. can you help?
Quote from: Parsifal on June 11, 2011, 12:19:06 PM
Since I don't read Russian, I can't figure out how to download. I wait 10 sec and click the link under the clock icon, to the right? I never does anything when I try it. can you help?
The download link to the file reads "Birtwistle_-_Chronometer.flac". During the time you wait, it will appear as plain text.
Quote from: Opus106 on June 11, 2011, 12:23:17 PM
The download link to the file reads "Birtwistle_-_Chronometer.flac". During the time you wait, it will appear as plain text.
Got it, thanks. I had script disabled before.
Birtwistle is a great choice for 'the game' :D
Also if anyone is interested, you can download the full Henze piece I posted earlier at the Avant Garde Project.
http://avantgardeproject.conus.info/mirror/agp64/index.htm
Is there another posted? If there isn't one when I return tomorrow, I'll post one. But don't wait - post away if someone has a good one. If I missed it, please indicate which post (thanks!).
Coco do you want to appoint someone to post if you don't want to?
http://www.4shared.com/audio/2zSazk9C/Mystery_12_June_11.html
Here is one, please identify the piece if possible, the composer should be easy
Cool, I feel like I've heard the piece before... drats! ;D
Quote from: Parsifal on June 12, 2011, 01:52:17 PM
http://www.4shared.com/audio/2zSazk9C/Mystery_12_June_11.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/2zSazk9C/Mystery_12_June_11.html)
Here is one, please identify the piece if possible, the composer should be easy
Should be, but not for me... Beautiful music, though! I detect Wagner's influence.
Quote from: DavidW on June 12, 2011, 01:50:22 PM
Coco do you want to appoint someone to post if you don't want to?
Oops, sorry! Well I'm glad someone else took the initiative.
Quote from: Parsifal on June 12, 2011, 01:52:17 PM
http://www.4shared.com/audio/2zSazk9C/Mystery_12_June_11.html
Here is one, please identify the piece if possible, the composer should be easy
Sounds like Delius.
So far you guys are correct on the Wagner influence, but wrong on Delius ;D
Elgar maybe? ???
Here is a clue: this composer had something in common with Anton Bruckner - besides being a composer of course ;D
Quote from: Parsifal on June 12, 2011, 02:44:49 PM
Here is a clue: this composer had something in common with Anton Bruckner - besides being a composer of course ;D
Franck!!
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 12, 2011, 03:15:48 PM
Franck!!
Yes, Cesar Franck
A clue to the title: rarely heard work for chorus and orchestraOk I'll tell you, gotta go for a while: it's PSYCHE, this recording ;)
[asin]B000000AW7[/asin]
As I am celebrating my birthday, I hope another member will put up the next snippet...
Happy Birthday!
I am not sure you will get this one, but you already got your birthday selection, so all is well!!!
Test 2.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/audio/GGUGylXS/Test_2.html)
Sounds like a piano transcription of an orchestra piece. I just happened to notice Offenbach in your signature....it's not by him is it?
Quote from: Parsifal on June 13, 2011, 05:19:02 AM
Sounds like a piano transcription of an orchestra piece. I just happened to notice Offenbach in your signature....it's not by him is it?
Not him. Feel free to guess again. I'll wait for a guess or two more before I start with some hints.
Since it sounds flamboyant but not excessively baroque, modern I'm guessing a romantic figure known for fun piano music... Liszt perhaps?
I lolled at how I initially thought Joplin during the first few seconds, then this guess increasingly became wronger and wronger.
Is it based on popular or folk dance? It sounds like it's in a somewhat populist style of that manner - not relaxed enough to be salon music.
How about Louis Moreau Gottschalk?
Quote from: DavidW on June 13, 2011, 05:46:29 AM
Since it sounds flamboyant but not excessively baroque, modern I'm guessing a romantic figure known for fun piano music... Liszt perhaps?
Nope - not him.
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 13, 2011, 05:53:19 AM
I lolled at how I initially thought Joplin during the first few seconds, then this guess increasingly became wronger and wronger.
Is it based on popular or folk dance? It sounds like it's in a somewhat populist style of that manner - not relaxed enough to be salon music.
I don't know if it is based directly on such, but the piece is a polonaise, so close enough on that score. I'm not sure if this helps you or not. And definitely not Joplin.
Quote from: Parsifal on June 13, 2011, 06:06:26 AM
How about Louis Moreau Gottschalk?
Nope - not him.
Here's a small hint - it's a four-hands piano piece.
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 13, 2011, 06:17:18 AMHere's a small hint - it's a four-hands piano piece.
Hmmm, Schubert wrote tons of four-hand piano stuff. Dreadful, I've always assumed. :P
Bizet - Jeux d'enfants?
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 13, 2011, 06:37:20 AM
Hmmm, Schubert wrote tons of four-hand piano stuff. Dreadful, I've always assumed. :P
Those are a mixed bag, but this is not Schubert.
Quote from: Drasko on June 13, 2011, 06:39:27 AM
Bizet - Jeux d'enfants?
Nope. Love that work though - a long-time favorite.
Here's another hint - this is an early work from this composer, perhaps not in the style that we are more used to.
Fauré: Dolly?
Quote from: Parsifal on June 13, 2011, 07:03:54 AM
Fauré: Dolly?
Not Faure
Another hint: He is not known for his piano music.
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 13, 2011, 07:11:19 AM
Another hint: He is not known for his piano music.
Richard Strauss?
Quote from: Parsifal on June 13, 2011, 07:12:04 AM
Richard Strauss?
Not him either.
Another hint: This composer did not survive to see the 20th century.
EDIT: Let me know if more serious hints are needed... Here's one more: I think you will be astonished (maybe?) when the name is revealed.
Anton Bruckner??
Quote from: Parsifal on June 13, 2011, 05:19:02 AM
Sounds like a piano transcription of an orchestra piece.
Yes, that occurred to me to as well...
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 13, 2011, 05:53:19 AM
I initially thought Joplin during the first few seconds
... right after this did. ;D
Quote from: Parsifal on June 13, 2011, 07:30:18 AM
Anton Bruckner??
That's totally insane! I like the way you think! :D
Quote from: Parsifal on June 13, 2011, 07:30:18 AM
Anton Bruckner??
Nope - but this guess is warmer! :)
Quote from: Parsifal on June 13, 2011, 07:40:57 AM
Richard Wagner
Correct!
Ok, it was a tricky one. It was from this CD:
[asin]B001TD1XKI[/asin]
Here is a youtube version of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC6Ox9x-3X8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC6Ox9x-3X8)
http://www.youtube.com/v/otkamYt7DlQ
Listen to the music while watching the man's face.
What that is so what!? That's almost at the level of the Gurnian deception! ;D
Ok. I had this one already to go
See what you think:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/os8pM5pq/Mystery_piece.html
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 13, 2011, 03:52:30 AM
Happy Birthday!
I am not sure you will get this one, but you already got your birthday selection, so all is well!!!
Test 2.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/audio/GGUGylXS/Test_2.html)
Thanks! And I see Wagner is there. Excellent!
Quote from: Parsifal on June 13, 2011, 07:49:39 AM
Ok. I had this one already to go
See what you think:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/os8pM5pq/Mystery_piece.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/os8pM5pq/Mystery_piece.html)
Sounds like accidental music for a (Shakespearean?) play...
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 13, 2011, 08:14:30 AM
Sounds like accidental music for a (Shakespearean?) play...
Sorry, no.
Keep posting guesses, I'll check back in a while
Quote from: DavidW on June 13, 2011, 07:46:24 AM
What that is so what!? That's almost at the level of the Gurnian deception! ;D
Almost?!?!?! That's it - almost?!?! At least the named composer actually wrote the piece! :P
it is remarkable, and hard to imagine that this style will later develop into his mature style.
Quote from: Parsifal on June 13, 2011, 08:17:19 AM
Sorry, no.
Keep posting guesses, I'll check back in a while
Has a certain Ives-ish cacophony to it. :P
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 13, 2011, 12:12:02 PM
Almost?!?!?! That's it - almost?!?! At least the named composer actually wrote the piece! :P
it is remarkable, and hard to imagine that this style will later develop into his mature style.
hehe good point! ;D
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 13, 2011, 12:18:06 PM
Has a certain Ives-ish cacophony to it. :P
I should mention the recording is historical, mono from 1960, the conductor was famous as a somewhat conservative proponent of contemporary music.
The composer is well-known, the piece is not 8)
Conductor - Scherchen?
I guess Frank Martin - Concerto for 7 Winds and Percussion
Haven't actually heard it, but it's in my Ansermet box from Decca.
Quote from: Brian on June 13, 2011, 12:56:32 PM
I guess Frank Martin - Concerto for 7 Winds and Percussion
Haven't actually heard it, but it's in my Ansermet box from Decca.
His Decca recording is Stereo and after 1960. A mono recording from 1960 must be a radio broadcast tape.
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 13, 2011, 01:02:11 PM
His Decca recording is Stereo and after 1960. A mono recording from 1960 must be a radio broadcast tape.
Yes that's stereo.
But I already used Martin and would not repeat a composer in this game
This composer if from a different country, and better known than Martin. He was likely a favorite of Ansermet, since he recorded several other works by him (in spectacular sound,btw)
Honegger?
In any case, I want to jump in on the Johan birthday celebrations with a piece of my own, right answer or not. ;D For our esteemed friend's party I hired a troupe of dancers... only, who are they, and what are they dancing?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip5.mp3
Quote from: Brian on June 13, 2011, 01:09:18 PM
Honegger?
In any case, I want to jump in on the Johan birthday celebrations with a piece of my own, right answer or not. ;D For our esteemed friend's party I hired a troupe of dancers... only, who are they, and what are they dancing?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip5.mp3
Well that certainly is polite of you
Quote from: Parsifal on June 13, 2011, 01:13:08 PM
Well that certainly is polite of you
Sorry :( if it makes you feel better I'm catching a plane tomorrow and thus won't be on GMG for ~18 hours.
Quote from: Brian on June 13, 2011, 01:09:18 PM
Honegger?
In any case, I want to jump in on the Johan birthday celebrations with a piece of my own, right answer or not. ;D For our esteemed friend's party I hired a troupe of dancers... only, who are they, and what are they dancing?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip5.mp3 (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip5.mp3)
Thanks! I'll have a listen!
And I'll reconsider Parsifal's riddle, too, with all the new clues...
Is Ansermet conducting Berg?
I guess we'll never know. :-\
Quote from: DavidW on June 13, 2011, 03:56:21 PM
I guess we'll never know. :-\
So much for the big celebration in my honour... Come on, Parsifal! We've had overlapping riddles before!
I'd feel more rotten, but I was a lot ruder to the people in the airport this morning. :( :(
It seems the thread is a bit frayed. I hope Parsifal returns. But knowing the score, Parsifal usually returns only after many years to the Grail knights... :-(
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on June 14, 2011, 09:35:29 AM
It seems the thread is a bit frayed. I hope Parsifal returns. But knowing the score, Parsifal usually returns only after many years to the Grail knights... :-(
Anyone got Klingsor's cell phone number?
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 14, 2011, 09:39:01 AM
Anyone got Klingsor's cell phone number?
Incidentally, he was also a member who went away without a trace recently. :-\ Which other Wagnerian characters do we have on board?
Quote from: Opus106 on June 14, 2011, 10:03:48 AM
Incidentally, he was also a member who went away without a trace recently. :-\ Which other Wagnerian characters do we have on board?
Kundry's behind it, clearly. :(
In any case, maybe they were one and the same. Keep an eye open for Gurnemanz registering soon.
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 14, 2011, 10:05:57 AM
. . . Keep an eye open for Gurnemanz registering soon.
No, it's Amfortas this time.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 14, 2011, 11:08:59 AM
No, it's Amfortas this time.
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 14, 2011, 10:05:57 AM
Kundry's behind it, clearly. :(
In any case, maybe they were one and the same. Keep an eye open for Gurnemanz registering soon.
I'm back, Amfortas!
The answer to my mystery music is: Manuel de Falla - Homenajes: Fanfare sobre el nombre de E.F. Arbos
Quote from: Amfortas on June 14, 2011, 11:10:29 AM
I'm back, Amfortas!
The answer to my mystery music is: Manuel de Falla - Homenajes: Fanfare sobre el nombre de E.F. Arbos
Dude, why would you want to drag yourself around the place with an oozing wound, whining about how they took your spear away? Gurnemanz is a much better gig! :)
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 14, 2011, 11:27:08 AM
Dude, why would you want to drag yourself around the place with an oozing wound, whining about how they took your spear away? Gurnemanz is a much better gig! :)
I love to wallow in misery :-X ....just wait till I get another chance at the mystery clip ;D
Besides, Gurnemanz talks way too much :-\
Quote from: Amfortas on June 14, 2011, 11:10:29 AM
The answer to my mystery music is: Manuel de Falla - Homenajes: Fanfare sobre el nombre de E.F. Arbos
Wow, that's not the musical language I associate with Falla at all. :o
I'm willing to hand in the keys to my puzzle for Amfortas to get his second shot if he likes
Quote from: Amfortas on June 14, 2011, 11:10:29 AM
I'm back, Amfortas!
Oh god...we have another schizoid personality on the forum. Why, oh why, can't people stay with one name, one avatar? At least Klingsor/Parsifal/Amfortas is sticking to one theme. Let's hope he doesn't try to impersonate a Syrian lesbian next ;D
Sarge
Quote from: Brian on June 14, 2011, 12:28:21 PM
Wow, that's not the musical language I associate with Falla at all. :o
I'm willing to hand in the keys to my puzzle for Amfortas to get his second shot if he likes
True, the lively Falla fanfare is not Amfortas-like
Well, if nobody else has anything right now, I can certainly comply with a new mystery clip:
Dedicated to Sgt Rock ;D
http://www.4shared.com/audio/P6WWPx1W/Mystery_Music_14_June.html
It sounds kind of like Mahler's 10th...
Quote from: DavidW on June 14, 2011, 02:05:34 PM
It sounds kind of like Mahler's 10th...
Not Mahler, but in general this composer's music does have Mahler-like qualities
Quote from: Amfortas on June 14, 2011, 02:18:36 PM
Not Mahler, but in general this composer's music does have Mahler-like qualities
(Early) Webern.
Quote from: Opus106 on June 15, 2011, 07:05:10 AM
(Early) Webern.
It's not Op 1, is it? Greg once posted a clip of Op 1 in a game like this and I was captivated by it, just like I am by this.
Quote from: Brian on June 15, 2011, 07:57:14 AM
It's not Op 1, is it? Greg once posted a clip of Op 1 in a game like this and I was captivated by it, just like I am by this.
I have Op. 1 in mind. I remember hearing quite a bit of Mahler in it during my first, and I think my only listen.
Quote from: Brian on June 15, 2011, 07:57:14 AM
It's not Op 1, is it? Greg once posted a clip of Op 1 in a game like this and I was captivated by it, just like I am by this.
No it isn't the Webern Passacaglia, nor Webern at all. This comes from a later date. It's from a symphony, but I would not expect anyone to identify the exact work The composer is know on the board, and he's well worth getting to know better.
Dark, brooding symphony I would think either Pettersson or a late Arnold symphony. ;D
Quote from: DavidW on June 15, 2011, 08:07:37 AM
Dark, brooding symphony I would think either Pettersson or a late Arnold symphony. ;D
Closer with both, more concise than Pettersson, more consistently brooding than Arnold.
His style combined 12-tone elements with tonal methods. You could say he composed 'melodically' with 12-tone, not a strict dodecaphonist.
Benjamin Frankel?
Quote from: Amfortas on June 15, 2011, 08:23:46 AM
Closer with both, more concise than Pettersson, more consistently brooding than Arnold.
His style combined 12-tone elements with tonal methods. You could say he composed 'melodically' with 12-tone, not a strict dodecaphonist.
Sounds kinda like Searle - I'll guess him as Brian has already done Frankel. I tend to closely associate the two.
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 15, 2011, 08:35:27 AM
Sounds kinda like Searle - I'll guess him as Brian has already done Frankel. I tend to closely associate the two.
:o well, you inadvertantly guessed: Benjamin Frankel - Lento, the third and final movement of Symphony 4, op. 44
Good work melomaniacs! ;D
EDIT: I just saw Brian had guessed Frankel just before the last post...so he's the 'winner' :)
Ha! I've heard that work but I didn't recognize it! Well it's been a few years I should have a fresh listen. He was one of the most underrated composers I can think of. :)
Quote from: DavidW on June 15, 2011, 09:08:32 AM
Ha! I've heard that work but I didn't recognize it! Well it's been a few years I should have a fresh listen. He was one of the most underrated composers I can think of. :)
Totally agree, if you can even call him 'rated' at all, since most have never heard of him. I notice that several of the CPO CDs are now out of print :(
Quote from: Amfortas on June 15, 2011, 08:39:12 AM
EDIT: I just saw Brian had guessed Frankel just before the last post...so he's the 'winner' :)
I knew Frankel previously only from his - was it a viola concerto? Think so. On CPO. Pity to hear those discs are going out of print - that clip has me raring to hear the rest of the symphony. Really enjoyed it.
Perhaps now that I finally won the right to post a clip fair and square, I'll just redirect folks to the clip I uploaded earlier, unfairly and in a presumably ovaloid fashion:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip5.mp3
Quite the antidote to my last one: extroverted and scintillating. I like it but can't begin to guess at this point
GOTTSCHALK Grande Tarantelle for piano and orchestra ?
Quote from: listener on June 15, 2011, 11:09:03 PM
Tarantelle
Excellent guess - it is a tarantella, though not by Gottschalk!
Quote from: Brian on June 16, 2011, 02:52:14 AM
Excellent guess - it is a tarantella, though not by Gottschalk!
Not the Tarantella by Elliott Carter (1936)?
I know it... But can't remember! For one reason or another, I was reminded of Rachmaninov's Paganini Variations.
Not much keenness for this one so I'll wait for the Americans to have lunch over it - wishing it had been Carter! drat - before revealing the answer. If nobody's identified the correct tarantella by then...
And what about Alan Rawsthorne?
Oooh, if that's what Rawsthorne sounds like, I need to be listening to more Rawsthorne.
No, this work technically is a 20th century piece, but only barely, and indeed only on a technicality! It was orchestrated in the 20th century...
Debussy.
Methinks we are too quick to rule out the possibility that a tarantella would be written by an Italian!
Quote from: Brian on June 17, 2011, 07:23:58 AM
Oooh, if that's what Rawsthorne sounds like, I need to be listening to more Rawsthorne.
No, this work technically is a 20th century piece, but only barely, and indeed only on a technicality! It was orchestrated in the 20th century...
Yes you'd probably like Rawsthorne....
One of the "M" Italian guys....
Martucci?
Quote from: Brian on June 17, 2011, 07:47:22 AM
Methinks we are too quick to rule out the possibility that a tarantella would be written by an Italian!
'Twas but my sole attempt to guess . . . .
Quote from: Amfortas on June 17, 2011, 07:52:40 AM
One of the "M" Italian guys....
Martucci?
(http://verynearlyalmost.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/a_winner_is_you_1024.jpg)
It is indeed the
Tarantella by Giuseppe Martucci, written for piano in 1880 and arranged for orchestra by the composer in 1908, a year before the composer's death. The players are the Rome Symphony Orchestra and Francesco La Vecchia on Naxos' Martucci Vol 2.
Go, Amfortas, go!
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 17, 2011, 08:04:31 AM
Go, Amfortas, go!
;D I'd love to, if you guys don't mind waiting a bit
If one of you has one to go now, have at it!!! :-*
Quote from: Amfortas on June 17, 2011, 08:14:34 AM
;D I'd love to, if you guys don't mind waiting a bit
If one of you has one to go now, have at it!!! :-*
While we wait - something of a change - a major composer, but I'd like this great but lesser-known piece identifying as near as possible:
LINK (http://www.4shared.com/audio/6TGitJBR/wat.html)
Sounds like a Schumann piano trio to me...?
Quote from: Amfortas on June 17, 2011, 10:26:47 AM
Sounds like a Schumann piano trio to me...?
You got the instrumental combination, although the composer is earlier. I love your choice of Schumann, as that bouncy, nodding tune does sound so much like him, doesn't it? :)
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 17, 2011, 10:32:07 AM
You got the instrumental combination, although the composer is earlier. I love your choice of Schumann, as that bouncy, nodding tune does sound so much like him, doesn't it? :)
What also sold me (wrongly) on Schumann is the fugal treatment of the theme toward the end. He's a favorite of mine, but I don't know the chamber music as well as I could...
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 17, 2011, 10:32:07 AM
You got the instrumental combination, although the composer is earlier. I love your choice of Schumann, as that bouncy, nodding tune does sound so much like him, doesn't it? :)
The composer is
earlier? Is it one of the "other" (arranged) trios by Beethoven? But that opening sounds like something from much later... and then the main tune is classical... the piano writing oh it's Schubert. Unnumbered early trio?
EDIT: No it's not
You are right to consider it as not being your typical "let's write a sonata" piece of music - the material's basis is derived from another source, but beyond that it's an original composition. One of Amfortas' ideas hints towards its form.
(Also, sorry for being obtuse - but I am experimenting with the radical practice of not immediately blurting out the answer as I have been wont to do before ;D)
I was surprised to hear it's earlier too....it can't be Schubert, I recognize his trios (I think)
"Derived from another source" could mean it uses themes from another work, or by a different composer?
I have to travel today, so I won't be back for a while....can't wait to find out what this one is
I must say, you guys consistently come up with good material for this game :)
Yep, it's a set of variations. As is so common for this type of work, the original theme is by some nobody and its interest is painfully lacking compared to the wonderful variations written by the more inspired composer. The mystery work is difficult to pin down because it's chronologically ambiguous: it is supposed to be a mixture of early and late material from the composer in question. The quiet opening section I linked is one of the most visionary and advanced additions to the piece, transitioning into the next variation set for the faster section.
I can safely rule out Schubert as an option.
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 18, 2011, 04:38:29 AM
Yep, it's a set of variations. As is so common for this type of work, the original theme is by some nobody and its interest is painfully lacking compared to the wonderful variations written by the more inspired composer. The mystery work is difficult to pin down because it's chronologically ambiguous: it is supposed to be a mixture of early and late material from the composer in question. The quiet opening section I linked is one of the most visionary and advanced additions to the piece, transitioning into the next variation set for the faster section.
I can safely rule out Schubert as an option.
That smells like a whole lotta Kakadu.
Quote from: Brian on June 18, 2011, 04:54:37 AM
That smells like a whole lotta Kakadu.
BEAST! :D It was indeed Beethoven's Variations on 'Ich bin der Schneider Kakadu', Op.121a. The recording was by the brilliant Abegg Trio - another curious Schumann parallel.
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 18, 2011, 05:26:50 AM
BEAST! :D It was indeed Beethoven's Variations on 'Ich bin der Schneider Kakadu', Op.121a. The recording was by the brilliant Abegg Trio - another curious Schumann parallel.
LOL congrats Brian :D
[feels heat of spotlight] Erm, Amfortas, wasn't it your turn? I thought Lethe was biding time until you could post a clip...
Ok here is something from a famous composer.....
http://www.4shared.com/audio/eA0XF0j-/Mystery_of_20_June_2011.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/eA0XF0j-/Mystery_of_20_June_2011.html)
It sounds like Mozart. ;D
Quote from: Brian on June 20, 2011, 07:23:26 AM
It sounds like Mozart. ;D
Yes Mozart on a 'good day' LOL
No idea, but I await the answer eagerly. 8)
Woah, check-mate. The majority of us guessers are all tonally-centric dorks, myself included ;)
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 20, 2011, 11:27:24 AM
Woah, check-mate. The majority of us guessers are all tonally-centric dorks, myself included ;)
If that means you want a clue:
This from a symphony by well-known composer, who is probably associated more with non-symphonic music, although he wrote more than one symphony.
He was a member of a composers group in his early career, and was the best-known of the group which also included a virtuoso pianist
Szymanowksi?
Quote from: Opus106 on June 21, 2011, 12:40:13 AM
Szymanowksi?
I just listened to a couple of the Szymanowski symphonies, and they definitely didn't sound like that... it might be one of the other ones but he was still very tonally grounded.
I was listening to his second symphony a few days ago while also reading his biography at Naxos' website. It said something about his forming a group with other polish musicians, one of whom was Artur Rubinstein.
Another clue: this composer is British
One of these three, Peter Maxwell Davies, Harrison Birtwistle and Alexander Goehr. I go for Birtwistle who I like.
Quote from: Hattoff on June 21, 2011, 02:24:54 AM
One of these three, Peter Maxwell Davies, Harrison Birtwistle and Alexander Goehr. I go for Birtwistle who I like.
It's one of the three (I like them all).....
And the answer is.... (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518KXc1-esL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Well, that landed with a thud....but congrats Hattoff...it's up to you, unless Brian wants his turn now :D
Strange, I recall PMD sounding a little more conservative than the clip - although it was a later piece that I heard.
I think some of you will get this straight away.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/81Rqi-Ey/guessing_clip.html
Famous composer, lesser known work.
Just a wild guess -- R. Strauss: Le Bourgeois Gentilhomme
Yes, it sounds to me like a pastiche of an older style, too. I was even reminded of Prokofiev's Classical symphony...
Afraid not, it's from about 120 years before those estimable works.
That little melody is repeated, as it is, about 10 times in the 13 minute work, which anyone should remember after hearing it once. So, it is easy in that respect but more difficult because it is a not very well known work. But more easy because it would be very difficult to be more famous than this composer.
Quote from: Hattoff on June 21, 2011, 11:21:27 AM
Afraid not, it's from about 120 years before those estimable works.
That little melody is repeated, as it is, about 10 times in the 13 minute work, which anyone should remember after hearing it once. So, it is easy in that respect but more difficult because it is a not very well known work. But more easy because it would be very difficult to be more famous than this composer.
Must be...Ludwig van Beethoven?
Well done :D
Let's just see if someone can name the work.
Quote from: Hattoff on June 21, 2011, 12:05:01 PM
Well done :D
Let's just see if someone can name the work.
That's WoO 1 The Ritterballet (Dance of the Knights). Nice pick. :)
8)
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 21, 2011, 12:23:29 PM
That's WoO 1 The Ritterballet (Dance of the Knights). Nice pick. :)
8)
Take it away, Gurnatron....post the next clip
Quote from: Amfortas on June 21, 2011, 12:30:39 PM
Take it away, Gurnatron....post the next clip
I'm at work for the next couple of hours. No music here... :-\
If someone would like to slip in here with a clip, be my guest. Otherwise, I think I have some totally atonal Mozart at home waiting for an opportunity like this... :D
8)
Oh no not Gurn! We'll probably get Haydn through the lens of Xenakis! :o ;D
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 21, 2011, 12:37:11 PM
If someone would like to slip in here with a clip, be my guest.
I think I'll just slip in one of my really short famous clips (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip6.mp3). Shouldn't take more than 14 seconds to figure out... unless it's a trick... ;)
I want to say Prokofiev
Well done to Gurnatron..
Quote from: Brian on June 21, 2011, 12:51:09 PM
I think I'll just slip in one of my really short famous clips (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip6.mp3). Shouldn't take more than 14 seconds to figure out... unless it's a trick... ;)
It sounds a bit like Holst's Planets - I haven't hjeard it for a while, but it could be some quiet section I don't remember. I suppose it does seem to lack some of that piece's swagger, though.
Neither Holst nor Prokofiev... in fact, those composers are neither the correct answer nor the incorrect answer I expected to be given! :D
I think that Karl would be able to furnish us with the correct incorrect answer, if that makes sense ???
Quote from: Brian on June 22, 2011, 02:22:04 AM
Neither Holst nor Prokofiev... in fact, those composers are neither the correct answer nor the incorrect answer I expected to be given! :D
I think that Karl would be able to furnish us with the correct incorrect answer, if that makes sense ???
"Correct incorrect", does this mean it's an imitation by one composer of another? Someone imitating Stravinsky for example (which occured to me, since the clip recalls The Firebird to my ears)
Quote from: Amfortas on June 22, 2011, 03:40:16 AM
"Correct incorrect", does this mean it's an imitation by one composer of another? Someone imitating Stravinsky for example (which occured to me, since the clip recalls The Firebird to my ears)
Ah-
ha! You have gleaned my intent. There is a notable similarity between the posted clip (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip6.mp3) and the
Danse infernale (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ashMSM_kc4M) by Stravinsky (very beginning of the video).
So it was a trick after all. ;D Now, before Gurn uploads his clip, our task is to discover which composer is guilty of a bit of imitation of a master. :)
Quote from: Brian on June 22, 2011, 03:47:54 AM
Ah-ha! You have gleaned my intent. There is a notable similarity between the posted clip (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip6.mp3) and the Danse infernale (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ashMSM_kc4M) by Stravinsky (very beginning of the video).
So it was a trick after all. ;D Now, before Gurn uploads his clip, our task is to discover which composer is guilty of a bit of imitation of a master. :)
Hmm, so this composer is less than a master....a lot of film music imitates Stravinsky et al....so is he a film composer (not that it makes him a lesser figure)?
This composer never wrote a film score (at least, I don't know any and it's unlikely he did) although due to the fame of some of his work, IMDB credits him with taking part in very nearly 100 films!
By the way, Gurn, as soon as you've got your clip ready let me know and I will solicit a "last call." :)
Alright here is another Gurnian deception perhaps? posted by me on behalf of Gurn. :)
Quiz 2.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/audio/KhV3eNvN/Quiz_2.html)
Elgar String Quartet?
Quote from: Amfortas on June 22, 2011, 05:13:57 PM
Elgar String Quartet?
That's a very interesting guess.
No, not Elgar. :)
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Stravinsky used Tchaikovsky's arrangements of russian folksongs in the Firebird and his music has been used a lot in films? Or Rachmaninov?
Quote from: Hattoff on June 22, 2011, 10:24:46 PM
Stravinsky used Tchaikovsky's arrangements of russian folksongs in the Firebird and his music has been used a lot in films? Or Rachmaninov?
Yes, I've heard that. This is none of those 3 though. :)
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Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 23, 2011, 04:08:33 AM
Yes, I've heard that. This is none of those 3 though. :)
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Still guessing yours Gurnatron -- a string quartet? Some of the harmony sounds 20th Century so I am thinking it might be a composer who is not known for this medium....perhaps Sibelius "Voces Intimae"? (Although I doubt it) >:(
Quote from: Amfortas on June 23, 2011, 04:40:05 AM
Still guessing yours Gurnatron -- a string quartet? Some of the harmony sounds 20th Century so I am thinking it might be a composer who is not known for this medium....perhaps Sibelius "Voces Intimae"? (Although I doubt it) >:(
Yes. A string quartet.
Interesting harmonic capabilities.
No, not Sibelius. :)
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Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 23, 2011, 04:08:33 AM
Yes, I've heard that. This is none of those 3 though. :)
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He meant the orchestral clip. Hattoff is in fact right: it was
Stravinsky doing the stealing, in
The Firebird! My line about "which composer is guilty of a bit of imitation of a master" was a deceit - Stravinsky is guilty and the master is what we're looking for, not vice versa!
It's not Tchaikovsky or Rachmaninov, though. This is the last call: when it's time for me to have dinner I'll post the answer.
Gurn, I have no clue at all what your clip is!
Quote from: Brian on June 23, 2011, 05:01:09 AM
He meant the orchestral clip. Hattoff is in fact right: it was Stravinsky doing the stealing, in The Firebird! My line about "which composer is guilty of a bit of imitation of a master" was a deceit - Stravinsky is guilty and the master is what we're looking for, not vice versa!
It's not Tchaikovsky or Rachmaninov, though. This is the last call: when it's time for me to have dinner I'll post the answer.
Gurn, I have no clue at all what your clip is!
No wonder I was confused! :-\
Well, Brian, do you like it though? Seems like a pretty forward-looking piece of work to me. :)
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Quote from: Brian on June 23, 2011, 05:01:09 AM
He meant the orchestral clip. Hattoff is in fact right: it was Stravinsky doing the stealing, in The Firebird! My line about "which composer is guilty of a bit of imitation of a master" was a deceit - Stravinsky is guilty and the master is what we're looking for, not vice versa!
It's not Tchaikovsky or Rachmaninov, though. This is the last call: when it's time for me to have dinner I'll post the answer.
Gurn, I have no clue at all what your clip is!
Brian: is it from Stravinsky's arrangement of Star Spangled Banner?? :o
When Gurn posts a forward-looking clip, the auditors' nostrils start flaring, je-je-je!
:o :o Not to sound impatient, but WHAT ARE THE FREAKIN' ANSWERS??????????? >:D
:D
Quote from: Amfortas on June 23, 2011, 12:54:52 PM
:o :o Not to sound impatient, but WHAT ARE THE FREAKIN' ANSWERS??????????? >:D
:D
Gosh, I was hoping that there would be some others taking a shot at it. OK, maybe a hint or two;
Composer is only obscure if you are alive today (and don't know your history). Famous in his own time.
Considered the greatest composer of chamber music ever produced in his adopted country.
Influential on most of his contemporaries, including Schubert.
Does that help?
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maybe from one of the Symphonies by CZERNY?
Perhaps Onslow? I recall his quartets being surprisingly inventive. Only a guess based on your "adopted country" line, though.
Edit: actually, how did I miss the first part of "Considered the greatest composer of chamber music ever produced in his adopted country."
SEE YOU LATER FAURE AND DEBUSSY, ONSLOW IS IN TOWN.
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 23, 2011, 01:30:07 PM
Perhaps Onslow? I recall his quartets being surprisingly inventive. Only a guess based on your "adopted country" line, though.
Edit: actually, how did I miss the first part of "Considered the greatest composer of chamber music ever produced in his adopted country."
SEE YOU LATER FAURE AND DEBUSSY, ONSLOW IS IN TOWN.
Congratulations, Sara. With all the talk of Onslow in that Schubert thread, I thought I might give some to listen to. Yes, his quartets are amazingly inventive. Witness that it was hard to pin down his time frame. :)
That was Quartet in d minor, Op 55. First movement. Diotima Quartet on Naive. :)
Take it away, Lethe!
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Quote from: Amfortas on June 23, 2011, 12:54:52 PM
:o :o Not to sound impatient, but WHAT ARE THE FREAKIN' ANSWERS??????????? >:D
:D
Well my piece (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip6.mp3) was...
The "Ronde infernale" from Night on Mount Triglav, by Nikolai Rimsky-KorsakovLater borrowed by Rimsky-Korsakov's star student, Stravinsky, for another "Danse infernale"! Night on Mount Triglav is a half-hour-long orchestral highlight reel from the opera
Mlada, and a veritable textbook of orchestration on its own. Rimsky's prize orchestration student sure learned well!
P.S. Wow, that Onslow clip was really, really, really good!
Quote from: Brian on June 23, 2011, 01:45:45 PM
P.S. Wow, that Onslow clip was really, really, really good!
Yeah Onslow and Hummel were the two composers that convinced me to sometimes listen to not so famous composers. Their music is exceptional! And in fact my concept of tiers must be superficial look at him standing with giants as an equal as a member of the Académie des Beaux-Arts. :)
(http://www.georgeonslow.com/images/george-onslow-galerie.jpg)
I wish I had read the Schubert thread, it may have made that guess less random ;D
From Onslow to....? LINK! (http://www.4shared.com/audio/VI_MmrFj/idontknow.html)
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 23, 2011, 01:58:32 PM
I wish I had read the Schubert thread, it may have made that guess less random ;D
That's why I didn't play! I PM'd Gurn he gave that hint and bingo! I got it. Else I would have had no idea. I was going to guess Mendelssohn! :D
So which modern English composer "completed" that Onslow piece? ; )
Guessing the new piece: sounds like.....Rautavaara?
Quote from: Amfortas on June 23, 2011, 02:18:49 PM
Guessing the new piece: sounds like.....Rautavaara?
Does it? I never thought of Rautavaara having such tunes... it sounds fairly romantic, like the 1930s "it's not too late is it?" kind of romantic.
Brian is on the right track. I lack the technical grounding to describe it, but I feel that there is a certain non-standard tonality (not merely a dissonance) to moments of the clip which does place it in the 20th century. Although the performance may be playing that up, which it has reason to do ;)
Quote from: Brian on June 23, 2011, 01:45:45 PM
P.S. Wow, that Onslow clip was really, really, really good!
Glad you enjoyed it; I was hoping it might kickstart some interest in what I believe is a better than average obscure composer... :D
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Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 23, 2011, 02:04:39 PM
So which modern English composer "completed" that Onslow piece? ; )
It was Henning, actually... :)
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I've ordered Mount Triglav. I have to know what's going on there. I'm going through the Philip's box set of Rimsky's operas right now, wonderful stuff.
What do you recommend as a starter for Onslow?
I don't know Lethe's piece, unless it's Swiss?
There's so much music and so little time.
It's good here.
Quote from: Hattoff on June 23, 2011, 09:41:52 PM
I don't know Lethe's piece, unless it's Swiss?
A larger country than that, though not one of the current economic biggies, and known for producing a couple of very major composers and a few fine also-rans.
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 24, 2011, 12:47:42 AM
A larger country than that, though not one of the current economic biggies, and known for producing a couple of very major composers and a few fine also-rans.
Poland?
Quote from: Hattoff on June 23, 2011, 09:41:52 PM
I've ordered Mount Triglav. I have to know what's going on there. I'm going through the Philip's box set of Rimsky's operas right now, wonderful stuff.
What do you recommend as a starter for Onslow?
I don't know Lethe's piece, unless it's Swiss?
There's so much music and so little time.
It's good here.
This is the disk I got that clip from. I
really like it!:
[asin]B002UOOM30[/asin]
And if you are an orchestral person, then there is this:
[asin]B000063DLN[/asin] or this [asin]B000641ZE0[/asin]
He really was a chamber music specialist, but his 4 symphonies are quite fine. Anyway, that's where I would start. Keeping in mind that his specialty, string quintets, isn't even represented there! :)
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Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 24, 2011, 04:22:58 AM
This is the disk I got that clip from. I really like it!:
[asin]B002UOOM30[/asin]
Goodness, those are some dapper men. Those shoes!
Quote from: Brian on June 24, 2011, 04:25:15 AM
Goodness, those are some dapper men. Those shoes!
They're French you know... 0:)
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Nice cover. Elegant symmetry between the clothes all with just a splash of red. :)
There seems to be a series of Onslow chamber recordings on two different labels... they're all pricey though. :'(
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 23, 2011, 01:58:32 PM
LINK! (http://www.4shared.com/audio/VI_MmrFj/idontknow.html)
Let's get this one out of the way, as we don't have too many biters - mega hint: it's a youthful work by one of the major composers of the first half of the 20th century. My previous clue rules out Stravinsky and Schoenberg:
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 24, 2011, 12:47:42 AM
A larger country than [Switzerland], though not one of the current economic biggies, and known for producing a couple of very major composers and a few fine also-rans.
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 24, 2011, 09:21:38 AM
Let's get this one out of the way, as we don't have too many biters - mega hint: it's a youthful work by one of the major composers of the first half of the 20th century. My previous clue rules out Stravinsky and Schoenberg:
I had guessed Poland previously....not right?
Quote from: Amfortas on June 24, 2011, 09:23:19 AM
I had guessed Poland previously....not right?
Indeed not, but a similar "kind" of country, size, relative status in its region - at least from the perspective of a distant stranger such as myself.
Well, it's Bartók's Kossuth - an exceptional tone poem which deserves to be better known (and I thought already was ;)).
First come first serve.
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 24, 2011, 11:58:03 AM
Well, it's Bartók's Kossuth - an exceptional tone poem which deserves to be better known (and I thought already was ;)).
First come first serve.
Dang it, I've even heard that piece (once). :(
I am so surprised! :o I never would have guessed!
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 24, 2011, 11:58:03 AM
Well, it's Bartók's Kossuth - an exceptional tone poem which deserves to be better known (and I thought already was ;)).
Well, chalk up another one for the wishlists.
Quote from: Brian on June 24, 2011, 12:24:39 PM
Dang it, I've even heard that piece (once). :(
Have heard (and read) of it, of course . . . not sure I've ever actually listened to it . . . . Well played, Sara!
Quote from: DavidW on June 24, 2011, 12:26:21 PM
I am so surprised! :o I never would have guessed!
Well you didn't, so we're not.......surprised.
I'm ashamed, since I call myself a Bartok fan :'(
:) Here is one I have had ready for a couple of days:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/dKXV_zgw/Mystery_21_June_2011.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/dKXV_zgw/Mystery_21_June_2011.html)
What is that JC Bach?
nice piece, I wouldn't mind hearing more. Michael Haydn?
Quote from: listener on June 24, 2011, 02:59:07 PM
nice piece, I wouldn't mind hearing more. Michael Haydn?
No. clue: This composer was famed for his vocal works
Quote from: Amfortas on June 24, 2011, 03:17:20 PM
No. clue: This composer was famed for his vocal works
Gluck?
Awesome! Okay I'll think of something... :)
Alright here we go! :)
whatnow.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/audio/mLZyDFPT/whatnow.html)
Sounds like a modern orchestration of Handel or some other baroque?
Yes it is baroque. :)
Whoa! That's a really interesting clip. It definitely sounds baroque, like a spicier version of Handel, and the ensemble is HIP - in fact the ensemble sounds a lot like one of Jordi Savall's. The surprise twist is, which baroque composer was using trombones?
Quote from: Brian on June 25, 2011, 01:07:20 AM
Whoa! That's a really interesting clip. It definitely sounds baroque, like a spicier version of Handel, and the ensemble is HIP - in fact the ensemble sounds a lot like one of Jordi Savall's. The surprise twist is, which baroque composer was using trombones?
Well trombone has been in use for a while - Monteverdi, Schutz and the Gabrielis indicated trombones, but this can't be any of them. Handel and Bach as well, occasionally. I am tempted to stick with the modern arrangement or 'realization' of a baroque composer. The piece itself is pleasant, but not familiar to me. I love those Savall recordings that I have heard, maybe Brian is right and it's one of those
Edit: just listened again, now it sounds like it could be Purcell
Oh a guess... so many composers thrown out but now have what sounds like definitive guess "it could be Purcell"... nope not Purcell. You guys are close, very close.
And yup it is HIP Brian, and Amfortas to the best of my knowledge not a modern arrangement. :)
Telemann?
Nope not Telemann. :)
Zelenka
Nope.
Alessandro Scarlatti
Nope, now you're getting colder. ;D
Quote from: DavidW on June 25, 2011, 08:12:20 AMnope not Purcell. You guys are close, very close.
Someone English? Not JC Bach though?
I don't think Boyce's symphonies used trombones.
Quote from: Brian on June 25, 2011, 09:34:31 AM
Someone English? Not JC Bach though?
I don't think Boyce's symphonies used trombones.
Nah you're going cold too. Think back to what you originally said. :)
Should I officially guess Georg Frideric Handel? Ok, Handel
Bingo! Neither one of you officially guessed it before, in fact spicier Handel (what Brian said) sounded like not Handel, but similar.
Brian was also right about it being HIP, it is Harnoncourt/Concentus Musicus Wien performing Saul. :)
Part of Warner's bargain priced Handel edition:
[asin]B001FQ72IQ[/asin]
Take it away Amfortas! :)
So while the thread is called Name that piece!, in practice, we're content if the composer is identified?
I ask only for information . . . .
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 25, 2011, 10:27:07 AM
So while the thread is called Name that piece!, in practice, we're content if the composer is identified?
I ask only for information . . . .
Yeah well I think that if I asked for the piece... only Drasko would get it. :'( There is only a handful of us Handelites out here.
We need a variation, like tell the composer right off the bat, and then ask what the piece is. Or tell the piece and ask who the performers are. ;D ;D
Quote from: DavidW on June 25, 2011, 10:25:36 AMit is Harnoncourt/Concentus Musicus Wien
Dang it! I knew it was an ensemble whose sound I knew well and recognized, but the presence of guitars/lutes convinced me it was Savall. Didn't know Harnoncourt deployed a lute continuo on occasion. Rats :(
Ok here is one that you all may enjoy figuring out
http://www.4shared.com/audio/LER4WPqs/What_the_heck_is_this_piece.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/LER4WPqs/What_the_heck_is_this_piece.html)
Composer alone will suffice :D
Well that was a pretty good guess though Brian, identifying performers can be very hard.
Quote from: Amfortas on June 25, 2011, 10:31:32 AM
Ok here is one that you all may enjoy figuring out
http://www.4shared.com/audio/LER4WPqs/What_the_heck_is_this_piece.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/LER4WPqs/What_the_heck_is_this_piece.html)
Amfortas confess! Do you have trouble using audacity? It's a complete movement (again)! Just pm for help if you need it. :)
Aye, I'm not sure where to strike the balance for prompting for the name . . . a good discussion, though, meseems.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 25, 2011, 10:37:28 AM
Aye, I'm not sure where to strike the balance for prompting for the name . . . a good discussion, though, meseems.
The thing is that awhile back Scarpia made a good point. If you automatically recognize the piece, there's not much too it, but if you can figure it out based on the style... that's more impressive and that is what should be rewarded. And I think that's why we're fine with just guessing the composer. :)
Yeah I do wonder what would work for making guessing a composition a do-able thing...
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 25, 2011, 10:37:28 AM
Aye, I'm not sure where to strike the balance for prompting for the name . . . a good discussion, though, meseems.
I think the problem is that we keep choosing works so impossibly obscure that if we said, for instance, "Yes, that is by Kozeluch... now, what's it called?" then we'd be greeted by silence...
That's why, upon one of my more obscure go-rounds, I offered the title of the piece - Tarantella - and asked for the composer.
Quote from: DavidW on June 25, 2011, 10:34:25 AM
Amfortas confess! Do you have trouble using audacity? It's a complete movement (again)! Just pm for help if you need it. :)
is it too long? I don't use Audacity, but I have no problem editing files. If it's too long let me know.
Quote from: Amfortas on June 25, 2011, 10:42:53 AM
is it too long? I don't use Audacity, but I have no problem editing files. If it's too long let me know.
Yeah the clips should be no more than about a minute long. :)
Quote from: DavidW on June 25, 2011, 10:41:05 AM
The thing is that awhile back Scarpia made a good point. If you automatically recognize the piece, there's not much too it, but if you can figure it out based on the style... that's more impressive and that is what should be rewarded. And I think that's why we're fine with just guessing the composer. :)
Yeah I do wonder what would work for making guessing a composition a do-able thing...
Quote from: Brian on June 25, 2011, 10:41:38 AM
I think the problem is that we keep choosing works so impossibly obscure that if we said, for instance, "Yes, that is by Kozeluch... now, what's it called?" then we'd be greeted by silence...
That's why, upon one of my more obscure go-rounds, I offered the title of the piece - Tarantella - and asked for the composer.
Oh, I think the on-the-fly adaptation has been very sensible as well as (dare I say it?) conducive to fun . . . .
Quote from: Amfortas on June 25, 2011, 10:31:32 AM
Ok here is one that you all may enjoy figuring out
http://www.4shared.com/audio/LER4WPqs/What_the_heck_is_this_piece.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/LER4WPqs/What_the_heck_is_this_piece.html)
Composer alone will suffice :D
Well, that's a weird mix of styles! The main tune sounds like something I've heard before, maybe Stravinsky on jazz. Actually what the outer sections really sound like is George Lloyd, but the central passage is even more conservative still. If it's not Lloyd (and I'm not sure he ever wrote anything that short?!), my money would be on an American in the 1920s-30s.
You're right it's not Lloyd, nor is it Stravinsky. US is the wrong country
This is a major composer of his country, the work is characteristic but not the type we immediately associate with him
Quote from: Brian on June 25, 2011, 10:41:38 AM
I think the problem is that we keep choosing works so impossibly obscure that if we said, for instance, "Yes, that is by Kozeluch... now, what's it called?" then we'd be greeted by silence...
That's why, upon one of my more obscure go-rounds, I offered the title of the piece - Tarantella - and asked for the composer.
Yeah, it's tough choice when coming up with a clip. I mean, you don't want the opening 4 measures of
Eroica, but I've got some stuff (well most of my stuff :-[ ) that wouldn't be guessed in a year. Like the one I'm playing now. So somewhere in between. I enjoyed putting that Onslow up there because it was hard to even pin down the period of composition, let alone the composer. I think that was a good example of a satisfactory puzzler (the fact it was mine is irrelevant, I hasten to add).
As for length of clip, my personal preference is between 1 and 1.5 minutes. :)
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Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 25, 2011, 10:50:40 AM
Yeah, it's tough choice when coming up with a clip. I mean, you don't want the opening 4 measures of Eroica
What can be fun, however, is a passage from the middle of a well known work, it can drive you crazy trying to figure it. Of course you could use the opening measure of Beethoven Violin Concerto (boom, boom, boom, boom) :D
I'll make my future clips briefer, since it seems to bug some of you
PS- I am going out soon for the evening, so get a few more guesses in, or we'll have to wait about 16 hours for the answer to this one
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 25, 2011, 10:50:40 AMI enjoyed putting that Onslow up there because it was hard to even pin down the period of composition, let alone the composer. I think that was a good example of a satisfactory puzzler (the fact it was mine is irrelevant, I hasten to add).
Indeed, that was one of my very favorites. I think that's because getting the entire ERA wrong is a real thrill, of sorts, and also because hearing a composer whose time period you can't pin down is really exciting - we were all intrigued by Onslow to find out he was writing so early but sounded later...
Quote from: Amfortas on June 25, 2011, 10:53:50 AM
What can be fun, however, is a passage from the middle of a well known work, it can drive you crazy trying to figure it.
Indeed! I almost posted the least famous five seconds from a VERY famous pop-classical standard, but couldn't do so because my sound file was AAC and I don't know how to convert those to MP3.
Quote from: Amfortas on June 25, 2011, 10:53:50 AM
I'll make my future clips briefer, since it seems to bug some of you
Sorry to give you a hard time, it just violates Rob's rule concerning the music that we share. :)
Some clues: It's not Beethoven, not Bartók (no!), not Messiaen, not Britten either :D
Quote from: Amfortas on June 25, 2011, 11:55:32 AM
Some clues: It's not Beethoven, not Bartók (no!), not Messiaen, not Britten either :D
Well I figured it was someone like Milhaud.
Quote from: DavidW on June 25, 2011, 11:56:45 AM
Well I figured it was someone like Milhaud.
Not a bad guess, not French either
His country has a very sad history, if that helps
Quote from: Amfortas on June 25, 2011, 11:57:47 AM
Not a bad guess, not French either
His country has a very sad history, if that helps
Don't they all ;) But worse than most was Poland, so let's say... Tansman?
Quote from: Lethe Dmitriyevich Shostakovich on June 25, 2011, 11:59:43 AM
Don't they all ;) But worse than most was Poland, so let's say... Tansman?
Getting warm
I have to go
So if anyone is burning to know now here is the answer: http://www.4shared.com/document/wF55Knqp/Mystery_music_answer.html
(http://www.4shared.com/document/wF55Knqp/Mystery_music_answer.html)
Have fun without me guys, and remember: NO MOZART!!! :P >:D ........... :D
I don't know if it's Poland or the name that's warm... so I'll throw it another crazy guess in another country with a sad history: Takemitsu?
Oh son of a gun! ;D I've looked so if anyone wants to guess, I can take over for saying yeah or nay for Amfortas. :)
I couldn't resist a peek, but my other guess of Martinu proves to be wrong, and now I know the answer I can't vote :D
I would have never guessed that composer.
Quote from: Brian on June 25, 2011, 12:47:10 PM
I would have never guessed that composer.
Yeah I really thought that you were on to something... Lutoslawski!?! :D
Is it Czech? It's a bit Janaceky at the start but then wanders off.
I've ordered some Onslow. I have heard him before on Radio 3 and thought his music was intriguing then.
Quote from: DavidW on June 25, 2011, 02:30:59 PM
Yeah I really thought that you were on to something... Lutoslawski!?! :D
THAT'S IT! Little Suite, movement IV, Dance
On to the next clip!
You still have control Amfortas because nobody got it, well done that was clever! :)
Quote from: DavidW on June 26, 2011, 06:29:54 AM
You still have control Amfortas because nobody got it, well done that was clever! :)
Thanks, David :D
Here is the next one:
A nice short one. Get the composer (easy) and the work (harder) :P
http://www.4shared.com/audio/bpNubzLg/Your_guess_is_as_good_as_mine.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/bpNubzLg/Your_guess_is_as_good_as_mine.html)
Quote from: Amfortas on June 26, 2011, 06:51:22 AM
Thanks, David :D
Here is the next one:
A nice short one. Get the composer (easy) and the work (harder) :P
http://www.4shared.com/audio/bpNubzLg/Your_guess_is_as_good_as_mine.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/bpNubzLg/Your_guess_is_as_good_as_mine.html)
Kurt Weill?
Quote from: Amfortas on June 26, 2011, 06:51:22 AM
Thanks, David :D
Here is the next one:
A nice short one. Get the composer (easy) and the work (harder) :P
http://www.4shared.com/audio/bpNubzLg/Your_guess_is_as_good_as_mine.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/bpNubzLg/Your_guess_is_as_good_as_mine.html)
Gershwin? If yes,
An American In Paris? Am I close? It's obviously jazzy.
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 26, 2011, 09:35:36 AM
Gershwin?
Perhaps, but it's no Gershwin I'm familiar with, and the orchestration (and instrumentation) and even the rhythm are quite unusual for him. I'd bet this is a composer who has just heard Gershwin, but isn't.
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 26, 2011, 09:35:36 AM
If yes, An American In Paris?
Oh goodness no! You really need to listen to that piece again. ;D
Satie: Parade?
Is it from one of Shostakovich's film scores?
Nobody has it yet. It's by a very famous and popular composer. The jazz / Gershwin influence is clearly there. The composer is not American
Could be Ravel.
Quote from: Amfortas on June 26, 2011, 01:55:40 PM
Could be, and what piece by Ravel?
I'm certain it
is by Ravel, actually, but couldn't name the work. $:)
(Ma Mère l'Oye, perhaps, but can't remember it at all)
Quote from: Wanderer on June 26, 2011, 02:05:50 PM
(Ma Mère l'Oye, perhaps, but can't remember it at all)
Holy smokes no! ??? If it's by Ravel it's one of the few big things I haven't heard yet, ie, L'heure espagnole. Or very possibly I have forgotten a purely orchestral minute from L'enfant et les sortileges. But it's not Mother Goose or Daphnis...
Got it: the oboe is playing a tune from L'enfant et les sortileges. However, in my recording it's sung rather than oboe'd (it is also briefly tromboned :D). Methinks Amfortas has played a little trick!
It is by Ravel. And it's from....."L'Enfant et les Sortilèges"
"Five O'Clock Foxtrot"
London Phil, Bernard Herrmann, conductor
Remember this old LP / CD?
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41-Dv9vSbWL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
So I will declare Brian the winner ;D
of course! the 'teapot' duet, the only instance I know in opera where 'Sesue Hayakawa' appears.
Quote from: Amfortas on June 26, 2011, 02:34:12 PM
So I will declare Brian the winner ;D
Okay, folks, here's my puzzler. (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip7.mp3)I'll be flabbergasted if you know the work
My flabber will be moderately gasted if you know the composer
What you might find most fun is to identify the
influences and also who might have been
influencedOh and a date would be a good challenge too. :)
Quote from: listener on June 26, 2011, 02:35:54 PM
of course! the 'teapot' duet, the only instance I know in opera where 'Sesue Hayakawa' appears.
;)
I don't even know the opera. Figured it was an instrumental passage and didn't know a vocal line was replaced. I just thought "something unusual by Ravel!"
that was a good round, thanks
Quote from: Amfortas on June 26, 2011, 02:54:26 PM
;)
I don't even know the opera. Figured it was an instrumental passage and didn't know a vocal line was replaced. I just thought "something unusual by Ravel!"
that was a good round, thanks
Laughed out loud at this, friend. I didn't know about the "Five O'Clock Foxtrot" version!
re: Brian's new clip
For some reason I am thinking of Goldmark....maybe the Rustic Wedding Symphony?
Quote from: Amfortas on June 27, 2011, 01:21:39 PM
re: Brian's new clip
For some reason I am thinking of Goldmark....maybe the Rustic Wedding Symphony?
Nope, not Goldmark (nor Parry, don't think I missed that ;) ). I'd say the tunes are too catchy for Elgar, but that might be mean. ;D
Hoping some other folks will give it a listen!
Quote from: Brian on June 27, 2011, 02:34:07 PM
Nope, not Goldmark (nor Parry, don't think I missed that ;) ). I'd say the tunes are too catchy for Elgar, but that might be mean. ;D
Hoping some other folks will give it a listen!
I think Elgar is very tuneful.
I had removed the Parry guess since I don't know any of his music.
Wonder if this thread is in the wrong section. There is another 'name that tune' thread going elsewhere. Or maybe people think this is a real competition :'(
For not obvious to me reasons GLAZUNOV and PONCHIELLI come to mind, but I'm sure they are quite off the track.
Nobody's got the right country yet!
If it helps, I would say the first half of the clip is very UNcharacteristic of the composer and his tradition (though Amfortas' "post-Wagnerian" description is highly accurate) and that the second half might be more indicative.
There is a motif in the latter half of the clip that reminds me of Czech music....maybe early Janacek?
To paraphrase wine connoisseurs, the excerpt has the initial aroma of Suk, with hints of Humperdinck and Foerster at the end.
I have never heard the work, but those are my impressions.
Quote from: Cato on June 28, 2011, 04:15:48 AM
To paraphrase wine connoisseurs, the excerpt has the initial aroma of Suk, with hints of Humperdinck and Foerster at the end.
I have never heard the work, but those are my impressions.
Interesting, I thought of Humperdinck as well.
Quote from: Amfortas on June 28, 2011, 04:17:17 AM
Interesting, I thought of Humperdinck as well.
We will see what
Brian says: what is of further interest is that the mystery composer
influenced other composers, which is a stretch for my 3 .
I know
Bartok wrote some very early works in a late-Romantic vein, but those opening seconds are redolent of Bohemia, not the Alföld.
Quote from: Cato on June 28, 2011, 04:30:25 AM
We will see what Brian says: what is of further interest is that the mystery composer influenced other composers, which is a stretch for my 3 .
I know Bartok wrote some very early works in a late-Romantic vein, but those opening seconds are redolent of Bohemia, not the Alföld.
Yes Humperdinck was not much of an influence as far as I know, nor was Suk (another good suggestion). And this does not sound like Bartók. Brian confirms the Wagner influence....so many composers were influenced by Wagner, it's hard to pinpoint one at this point.
Janacek...Suk...Foerster... we have arrived in the right country, but not yet in the right time frame! Janacek and Foerster were alive when this work was written, though not by much; the mystery composer died when they were kids. :o
The contention of mine that our mystery composer is influential would take a lot of musicologists by surprise, because he is so little-known; and yet in his time he was hugely prolific, greatly admired by a noted composer-critic (who claimed him as an influence), and performed on multiple continents! Moreover, as you are discovering, I should say based on the ill-equipped judges that are my own ears that quite a few of his countrymen to follow must have known and been influenced by his example.
The original clip (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip7.mp3) was quite short by the standards of the game, so perhaps you might be interested to hear another short clip from the exact same work (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip7point5.mp3).
Not good old Smetana??
Uh, make that Zdeněk Fibich (1850–1900)?
Quote from: Amfortas on June 28, 2011, 05:20:48 AM
Not good old Smetana??
Nope! :o :o :o
Nor Fibich - the dates don't line up, my clue was that the mystery composer died when Janacek and Foerster (b. 1850s) were children. ;)
The phenomenally unfamous František Škroup (1801–1862)?
Quote from: Amfortas on June 28, 2011, 05:26:02 AM
The phenomenally unfamous František Škroup (1801–1862)?
Sadly, that is the level of not-famous we're talking about, and sadly Škroup is not it. Škroup, according to Wikipedia's oddly funny entry ("He was buried in a mass grave. He also produced an oratorio"), only wrote one orchestral work, whereas the composer in question penned a cycle of symphonies and a separate cycle of concert overtures (or tone poems?).
I love the Škroup guess because he conducted Wagner premieres in Prague and thus would be ideally positioned to be all the things we've discussed.
The gigantically forgotten Vilém Blodek (October 3, 1834, Prague – May 1, 1874, Prague) ??
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/ce/Blodek.jpg/150px-Blodek.jpg)
Quote from: Brian on June 28, 2011, 05:22:40 AM
Nope! :o :o :o
Nor Fibich - the dates don't line up, my clue was that the mystery composer died when Janacek and Foerster (b. 1850s) were children. ;)
Which would mean, given the influences heard in the music, that we are looking for somebody who died fairly young, and not someone born in the 1700's?
He was born very, very close to the turn of the century. It might be unfair to test you on a single work, however, as this composer's style changed rather a lot in some ways over his career (and very little in other ways) - enough that the famous composer-critic whom I mentioned was an admirer and keen listener would, if you guessed his name, be a baffling red herring!
If we're just guessing now, then about 7 hours from now (provided the correct name has gone unfloated) I'll supply the answer. :)
Pavel Haas (1899–1944)?
Quote from: Amfortas on June 28, 2011, 07:44:34 AM
Pavel Haas (1899–1944)?
Not possible:
Brian meant c.
1800 for the birth of the mystery composer. The composer died in the 1850's.
I thought I had a candidate in
Johann Rufinatscha but he died in the 1890's. His musical style seemed to fit, from the Amazon excerpt I heard.
Yeah. Tough one. It's hard to guess when you don't likely actually know the composer's music, or in this case, even the composer's name... ;D
How about František Doubravský (1790-1867)?
Yes, indeed!
And where did Brian find such an obscure CD?
I might have gone with Kalliwoda because his dates are the closest, but stylistically Kalliwoda is much more rooted in Vergangenheitsmusik than Wagnerish Zukunftsmusik.
Quote from: Cato on June 28, 2011, 10:30:51 AM
Yes, indeed!
And where did Brian find such an obscure CD?
I might have gone with Kalliwoda because his dates are the closest, but stylistically Kalliwoda is much more rooted in Vergangenheitsmusik than Wagnerish Zukunftsmusik.
So Doubravský is correct? Several of the names mentioned in this round are familar to me, but not their music. This was a tough one (if it's really finished) (http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/176/d/f/df8ccffd927acc43f2014f6641c810ea.gif)
Yes, the round is indeed finished! But not without a surprise twist ending for our man Cato:
The composer is Johann Wenzel Kalliwoda (Jan Vaclav Kalivoda), 1801-1866. The work is extremely late: his Overture No 16, Op 238, written in 1863 when Kalliwoda had indeed absorbed the influence of Wagner.
A lesson to be learned here is that Kalliwoda was more versatile, and more adaptable, than we might usually credit an "Obscure Composer" with being. Especially so because he was one of the very earliest of the "early romantics": his first five symphonies were complete by 1840, and No 3 received a featured score review in an 1832 Allgemeine musikalische Zeitung - which explains how Kalliwoda's symphonies came to the attention of one of their greatest admirers, Robert Schumann. Indeed, it's hard for the Kalliwoda enthusiast to listen to the opening bars of Schumann's First and not think of the equally loud, brassy opening of Kalliwoda's (earlier) Fifth.
So there it is: an extremely obscure composer, as promised, whose influences are now forgotten - he seems to have informed the Schumann symphonies early in his career, while, as you heard, his later work sounds an awful lot like what we now know as the "Czech romantic" stlye!
By the way, the players are Das Neue Orchester and Christoph Spering - a HIP ensemble, so some of the early guesses really surprised me. It's a CPO CD that received a certified Dave Hurwitz 10/10.
I'll be starting a Kalliwoda thread later tonight in the composer section. :) Meanwhile, perhaps we can offer Cato a turn at the wheel!
Quote from: Brian on June 28, 2011, 11:12:55 AMIt's a CPO CD that received a certified Dave Hurwitz 10/10.
Hurwitz really loves handing out those 10/10 ratings, doesn't he? :) He would probably give a classical rendition of
Yankee Doodle Dandy a 10/10 if it was released on CPO, Harmonia Mundi, BIS, or Ondine. But if it was Boulez who conducted it, then that would be a very low rating. The guy gets stranger by the month.
"a HIP ensemble" -- qu'est-ce que c'est? I have seen this on the board before.
So it was Kalliwoda. I have heard the name, but the early Romantics are not my strongest area.
On to you, Cato! (http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs31/f/2008/192/9/9/Who__s_the_winner_now__by_Soulnova.gif)
Quote from: Amfortas on June 28, 2011, 11:34:08 AM
"a HIP ensemble" -- qu'est-ce que c'est? I have seen this on the board before.
They're playing on period instruments, which explains the odd sonorities. "Historically Informed Performance."
Quote from: Brian on June 28, 2011, 11:12:55 AM
Yes, the round is indeed finished! But not without a surprise twist ending for our man Cato:
The composer is Johann Wenzel Kalliwoda (Jan Vaclav Kalivoda), 1801-1866. The work is extremely late: his Overture No 16, Op 238, written in 1863 when Kalliwoda had indeed absorbed the influence of Wagner.
A lesson to be learned here is that Kalliwoda was more versatile, and more adaptable, than we might usually credit an "Obscure Composer" with being. Especially so because he was one of the very earliest of the "early romantics": his first five symphonies were complete by 1840, and No 3 received a featured score review in an 1832 Allgemeine musikalische Zeitung - which explains how Kalliwoda's symphonies came to the attention of one of their greatest admirers, Robert Schumann. Indeed, it's hard for the Kalliwoda enthusiast to listen to the opening bars of Schumann's First and not think of the equally loud, brassy opening of Kalliwoda's (earlier) Fifth.
So there it is: an extremely obscure composer, as promised, whose influences are now forgotten - he seems to have informed the Schumann symphonies early in his career, while, as you heard, his later work sounds an awful lot like what we now know as the "Czech romantic" stlye!
By the way, the players are Das Neue Orchester and Christoph Spering - a HIP ensemble, so some of the early guesses really surprised me. It's a CPO CD that received a certified Dave Hurwitz 10/10.
I'll be starting a Kalliwoda thread later tonight in the composer section. :) Meanwhile, perhaps we can offer Cato a turn at the wheel!
Well, there you have it! I kept thinking it could NOT be
Kalliwoda, because I indeed have heard the
Beethoven-mit-Schumann symphonies and thought, no, not possible.
Plus, I did not think he was
obscure enough! ;D This is what comes from knowing and liking too many "obscure" composers.
Brian: my computer and/or my incompetence with the website disallows me from placing an excerpt on myself: I will send a PM in a few minutes with a suggestion.
Bravo, Cato!
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 28, 2011, 12:08:46 PM
Bravo, Cato!
Shucks, 'twarn't nuthin' ! :D
Brian is working on setting up the next excerpt: another "rarity" but not as uncooked as
Kalliwoda (!) who obviously deserves more attention!
The excerpt is from a very rarely-played symphony, by a composer who is, however,
not neglected in other areas..
Quote from: Cato on June 28, 2011, 12:44:20 PMThe excerpt is from a very rarely-played symphony, by a composer who is, however, not neglected in other areas..
Indeed true, and may I say, that during the repeated listening necessary for clip creation, I really grew to like the piece quite a bit. Many thanks, sir!
CLICK FOR CATO'S PUZZLER! (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryfromcato.mp3)
(http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/104/f/f/Confused_FOX_Emoticon_by_Vuldari.gif)
I keep getting a French vibe. Listened to the Dukas symphony again, it's not that.
Quote from: Amfortas on June 28, 2011, 02:46:17 PM
(http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/104/f/f/Confused_FOX_Emoticon_by_Vuldari.gif)
I keep getting a French vibe. Listened to the Dukas symphony again, it's not that.
Vibespierre was the twin brother of
Robespierre!
Quote from: Amfortas on June 28, 2011, 02:46:17 PM
(http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/104/f/f/Confused_FOX_Emoticon_by_Vuldari.gif)
I keep getting a French vibe. Listened to the Dukas symphony again, it's not that.
"French vibe" is not wrong:
Dukas is a good deduction, and his symphony always makes me wonder why there were not more!
Quote from: Cato on June 29, 2011, 03:55:52 AM
"French vibe" is not wrong: Dukas is a good deduction, and his symphony always makes me wonder why there were not more!
Thanks. And I agree about the Dukas, a beautiful work. The slow movement is downright magnificent.
As for your clip: how about Enescu?
Quote from: Amfortas on June 29, 2011, 04:31:03 AM
Thanks. And I agree about the Dukas, a beautiful work. The slow movement is downright magnificent.
As for your clip: how about Enescu?
Your first impression was closer.
Sounds like Lalo.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 29, 2011, 05:21:11 AM
Sounds like Lalo.
Sarge
Sounds like Teen Spirit too, but no! ;D
Another small clue: the composer was still alive when the Ondes Martenot was invented! But he never used it!
D'Indy?
Quote from: Cato on June 29, 2011, 05:27:06 AM
Sounds like Teen Spirit too, but no! ;D
Yeah, I know it isn't Lalo's G minor. I'm just amazed how much it sounds like it.
Sarge
This composer was indeed alive at the time of Vincent d'Indy.
Another clue: the mystery composer underwent an operation that was done even in ancient times, but had been greatly refined by a French surgeon in the Enlightenment, and allowed the composer to produce more music than he otherwise would have.
I don't want to cheat by Googling that operation, so I will guess Albéric Magnard. Nah, he was known for symphonies.
How about Louis Vierne?
Quote from: Amfortas on June 29, 2011, 06:53:45 AM
I don't want to cheat by Googling that operation, so I will guess Albéric Magnard. Nah, he was known for symphonies.
And Magnard died fourteen years before the invention of the Ondes Martenot.
Sarge
Quote from: Amfortas on June 29, 2011, 06:53:45 AM
I don't want to cheat by Googling that operation, so I will guess Albéric Magnard. Nah, he was known for symphonies.
How about Louis Vierne?
How about
Louis Vierne? He was born nearly blind with severe cataracts, but an operation allowed him to see somewhat with a magnifying glass. His music paper was made specially large.
I cam across
Vierne decades ago through a complete set of his Organ Symphonies, and thought: "Here is a kindred spirit!" 0:)
The excerpt is from the
Louis Vierne Symphony in A minor on a TIMPANI CD with the Liege Philharmonic conducted by Francois Kerdoncuff. It also contains
Vierne's Poem for Piano and Orchestra.So
Amfortas runs with the ice cube now! Yay Team!
;D
I will have to investigate Vierne further. Not a fan of organ music, but that symphony is attractive
***
HERE IS THE NEXT MYSTERY MUSIC:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/tmku3rfu/I_cant_figure_it_out_can_you.html
Composer and work "required" (http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/246/1/3/for_the_music_of_love_by_zakarranda-d2xtnyr.gif)
Is that Gerswhin's Piano Concerto by any chance?
Quote from: DavidW on June 29, 2011, 07:25:56 AM
Is that Gerswhin's Piano Concerto by any chance?
No, not Gershwin :)
What about Stravinsky's Cappricio?
Quote from: DavidW on June 29, 2011, 07:47:48 AM
What about Stravinsky's Cappricio?
:o Fast work my friend
Your turn.............. ;D
Quote from: Amfortas on June 29, 2011, 07:17:58 AM
I will have to investigate Vierne further. Not a fan of organ music, but that symphony is attractive
I will be investigating Vierne further too. The symphony is very attractive, and although I hadn't been an organ fan in the past, that is recently starting to change fast because of
(a) orchestral-choral works with organ (like Glagolitic Mass)
(b) my growing appreciation of Bach
(c) regular visits to cathedrals here in Merrye Olde England (including a service at St Paul's set to the Messe solennelle by... Vierne!)
(d) a very handsome organ tune I heard a while back - the Carillons de Westminster, by none other than... Vierne!
It might be an organ exploration year for me next year, and Vierne is certainly a name to remember. :)
Quote from: Brian on June 29, 2011, 08:14:38 AM
I will be investigating Vierne further too. The symphony is very attractive, and although I hadn't been an organ fan in the past, that is recently starting to change fast because of
(a) orchestral-choral works with organ (like Glagolitic Mass)
(b) my growing appreciation of Bach
(c) regular visits to cathedrals here in Merrye Olde England (including a service at St Paul's set to the Messe solennelle by... Vierne!)
(d) a very handsome organ tune I heard a while back - the Carillons de Westminster, by none other than... Vierne!
It might be an organ exploration year for me next year, and Vierne is certainly a name to remember. :)
Dude!
FATE , or at least Jungian synchronicity, is knocking on your soul's knotty pine! Ignore it at your peril! ;D
Yes, the
Vierne Organ Symphonies are well worth your time, a musico-spiritual experience not to be missed. I grew up with organ music in my local Catholic church, and so did not need to be convinced about it in any way. 0:)
Quote from: Cato on June 29, 2011, 08:22:20 AM
Dude! FATE , or at least Jungian synchronicity, is knocking on your soul's knotty pine! Ignore it at your peril! ;D
Yes, the Vierne Organ Symphonies are well worth your time, a musico-spiritual experience not to be missed. I grew up with organ music in my local Catholic church, and so did not need to be convinced about it in any way. 0:)
I grew up with Catholic church and organ music too, but it never grabbed me. I'm impressed by J.S. Bach and others, but I can't say I really like organ music.
I've always been curious about the Vierne organ symphonies however, the concept intrigues me. I did try one of them once, but maybe it was my mood at the time.
Quote from: Amfortas on June 29, 2011, 08:13:17 AM
:o Fast work my friend
Your turn.............. ;D
Awesome!! :)
whoami.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/audio/aR0ud0-2/whoami.html)
:)
Wow, somebody's angry cello sonata....gotta think about this one :D
Quote from: Amfortas on June 29, 2011, 08:44:43 AM
Wow, somebody's angry cello sonata....gotta think about this one :D
Yeah! I'm gonna say it isn't Mozart... :-\
8)
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 29, 2011, 08:53:08 AM
Yeah! I'm gonna say it isn't Mozart... :-\
8)
Lightning never strikes the same place twice! :D
Quote from: Amfortas on June 29, 2011, 08:44:43 AM
Wow, somebody's angry cello sonata....gotta think about this one :D
Once you give up thinking about it: that's not a cello!
Reminds me of the middle movement of Schnittke's 1st cello sonata, although my memory of it is distant. Playing now :)
Edit: I can't find this specific part, but there are many similar devices which make me think that it cannot be far from this guess... It is much less abstractly weird than the movements I sampled, though.
Quote from: Brian on June 29, 2011, 09:30:07 AM
Once you give up thinking about it: that's not a cello!
Not a cello???
Maybe Lethe is onto something....a Viola Sonata by Schnittke?
Not Schnittke, good guess though. :)
Quote from: DavidW on June 29, 2011, 10:58:39 AM
Not Schnittke, good guess though. :)
Shostakovich: Viola Sonata
Quote from: Amfortas on June 29, 2011, 11:25:06 AM
Shostakovich: Viola Sonata
Didn't sound like that. More Schnittkelike.....but obviously not that either?
Not Shostakovich, again good guess though. :)
Penderecki? Don't know of any Viola Sonata, sure it's not a violin?
No, the voice is too deep to be a violin. We need Columbo here!
It is most certainly a viola, gents.
It's not by Krein or Frid (from Naxos' "Soviet Viola" CD)...
Quote from: Brian on June 29, 2011, 12:06:09 PM
It is most certainly a viola, gents.
It's not by Krein or Frid (from Naxos' "Soviet Viola" CD)...
Nor by Juon (whoever he was)
How about Bohuslav Martinů - Sonata for Viola & Piano (1955)?
Penderecki=no, and Martinu=no as well. :)
It seems to have an Eastern Europe / Russian sound....maybe we're off track with that
Stab in the dark - Hindemith? Sounds later though (fishin' for clues!)
Roslavets Viola Sonata? ???
8)
or Lachrymae by Benjamin Britten? No, just listened, that's not it either >:D ::)
Weinberg has viola stuff, though I can't claim I found it very Weinberglike.
Not any of those mentioned. Hindemith is getting warmer though, apparently the composer was inspired by him.
Hans Werner Henze: Sonata for viola & piano?
Nope. :)
Whoever it is, Paul McCartney copied him, conciously or unconciously, in the opening of his Standing Stone.
Should a few more clues be provided? 8)
Quote from: Cato on June 30, 2011, 06:32:15 AM
Should a few more clues be provided? 8)
Yes, I think it's time for a clue or two :D
Alrighty then...
Hint: The composer is American. :)
Quote from: Hattoff on June 29, 2011, 10:25:50 PM
Whoever it is, Paul McCartney copied him, conciously or unconciously, in the opening of his Standing Stone.
Ha! :D
Jennifer Higdon -
Sonata for Viola and Piano (1990)?
Quote from: DavidW on June 30, 2011, 07:23:40 AM
Alrighty then...
Hint: The composer is American. :)
Ha! :D
You say! Doesn't sound like any American
I ever heard! :-\
8)
Quote from: DavidW on June 30, 2011, 07:23:40 AM
Alrighty then...
Hint: The composer is American. :)
Ha! :D
Perhaps a second excerpt would help?
Paul McCartney copying an American! Oh, that was what those Little Richard covers were all about . . . .
Well, you had already told us it's not Shostakovich . . . pity, as the rhythmic patterning almost sounds like an echo of the 'percolating percussion' of the middle movement of the Fourth Symphony . . . .
Quote from: Cato on June 30, 2011, 07:30:30 AM
Perhaps a second excerpt would help?
Sure thing, after I've caught up on unread posts I'll post another clip from the work. :)
Quote from: Amfortas on June 30, 2011, 07:29:16 AM
Jennifer Higdon -
Sonata for Viola and Piano (1990)?
Nope. :)
GEORGE ROCHBERG
Sonata for Viola and Piano (1979)?
Nope. :)
ROSS LEE FINNEY
Sonata for Viola and Piano ?
I'm waiting until Davey sheds some new light . . . .
Quote from: Amfortas on June 30, 2011, 07:40:39 AM
ROSS LEE FINNEY
Sonata for Viola and Piano ?
Nope. I'll post another clip soon, not to worry. :)
Quote from: DavidW on June 30, 2011, 07:43:33 AM
Nope. I'll post another clip soon, not to worry. :)
it may not help, we're running out of composers :-\ ;D
Would you like to just know Amfortas? :)
Quote from: Drasko on June 30, 2011, 07:52:01 AM
George Rochberg?
That was already guessed, nope. :)
Yep, haven't checked before guessing :-[
Quote from: DavidW on June 30, 2011, 07:49:03 AM
Would you like to just know Amfortas? :)
I'd much rather keep playing....maybe it's not a sonata, but a piece with another name or genre
Ok, I'll try once more (this time after reading previous guesses) - Babbitt?
I'll bet Drasko is right....the "Composition" for viola & piano
Quote from: Drasko on June 30, 2011, 08:02:53 AM
Ok, I'll try once more (this time after reading previous guesses) - Babbitt?
Nope. :)
Quote from: Amfortas on June 30, 2011, 07:57:39 AM
I'd much rather keep playing....maybe it's not a sonata, but a piece with another name or genre
It is a sonata. :)
Same work, second clip.
secondclip.mp3 (http://www.4shared.com/audio/n3wKVRWX/secondclip.html) :)
Is it a contemporary, still-living American composer? :o
Alan Shulman. Russian descent, studied with Hindemith. It fits. But warning; I have absolutely no possibility to post new clips.
The first half of the new clip sounds like an echo of a Bartókian groove, both the spiraling rhythm and the modal feel to the pitch-world. But then, the second half has these monumental chords . . . .
Oh, maybe erato's got it? . . .
Quote from: The new erato on June 30, 2011, 10:29:15 AM
Alan Shulman. Russian descent, studied with Hindemith. It fits. But warning; I have absolutely no possibility to post new clips.
Verrry interesting! 8)
Quote from: Cato on June 30, 2011, 10:17:56 AM
Is it a contemporary, still-living American composer? :o
It probably depends on the time of day! ;D
Quote from: The new erato on June 30, 2011, 10:29:15 AM
Alan Shulman. Russian descent, studied with Hindemith. It fits. But warning; I have absolutely no possibility to post new clips.
Clever... but unfortunately no.
Per Wikipedia:QuoteDuring the 1930s and 1940s Shulman worked actively as an arranger for such people as Leo Reisman, Andre Kostalanetz, Arthur Fiedler, and Wilfred Pelletier.
Davey's clips don't really sound like a fellow who arranged for Kostelanetz and Fiedler.
We're getting desperate here, Ernst Bloch?
Nope not Bloch. I have a few errands to do in town, I'll come back later and if no one has it by then... we will have the big reveal. 0:)
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 30, 2011, 10:55:39 AM
Per Wikipedia:
Davey's clips don't really sound like a fellow who arranged for Kostelanetz and Fiedler.
I don't know about that... >:D
Sounds like Babbitt influence, if not the man himself... :-\
8)
Peter Mennin?Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 30, 2011, 10:58:51 AM
I don't know about that... >:D
His work could encompass some variety, you mean? Good point.
Alright I guess we've had enough fun. :D
The work is Karl Henning's Sonata for Viola and Piano, Op. 102. I believe it is still available for download on Karl's thread. :)
Take a bow Karl...
And thanks to Cato and Gurn for helping with the deception. ;D
Not entirely fair I know, so consider it your turn now Amfortas. :)
Quote from: DavidW on June 30, 2011, 01:22:41 PM
Alright I guess we've had enough fun. :D
The work is Karl Henning's Sonata for Viola and Piano, Op. 102. I believe it is still available for download on Karl's thread. :)
Take a bow Karl...
And thanks to Cato and Gurn for helping with the deception. ;D
Not entirely fair I know, so consider it your turn now Amfortas. :)
Ok, if you 'insist' ;D
That really was quite a deception. Karl, the piece sounded good in those excerpts
Quote from: DavidW on June 30, 2011, 01:22:41 PM
Alright I guess we've had enough fun. :D
The work is Karl Henning's Sonata for Viola and Piano, Op. 102. I believe it is still available for download on Karl's thread. :)
Take a bow Karl...
And thanks to Cato and Gurn for helping with the deception. ;D
Not entirely fair I know, so consider it your turn now Amfortas. :)
I think it was fair as hell! The music has been available to everyone here for months now. I thought it was a very cool deal. :)
8)
Quote from: Amfortas on June 30, 2011, 01:28:50 PM
Ok, if you 'insist' ;D
That really was quite a deception. Karl, the piece sounded good in those excerpts
It
is good. You should download and listen. Karl will sign autographs some day! :)
8)
On to the next round..... ;D
http://www.4shared.com/audio/4FfRyCi8/What_can_it_be.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/4FfRyCi8/What_can_it_be.html)
Quote from: Amfortas on June 30, 2011, 01:28:50 PM
Ok, if you 'insist' ;D
That really was quite a deception. Karl, the piece sounded good in those excerpts
If you want here is the whole thing, I think that you will find this entire work quite amazing:
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on October 18, 2010, 05:10:41 AM
And with mighty thanks to Luke, here are links to mp3 versions he has kindly uploaded at 192 bits:
Fair Warning (http://www.mediafire.com/?4kbfjoa35gekvac)
Suspension Bridge (In Dave's Shed) (http://www.mediafire.com/?dhj1a91fwwck1a0)
Tango in Boston (Dances with Shades) (http://www.mediafire.com/?cf00311ikg1bb2l)
:)
I'm going away for awhile (well starting tomorrow), will try to sometimes be online, hopefully even daily... but just in case I leave the game in hands of Brian and Amfortas. I haven't really been needed for a long, long time... but feel free to make, break and keep the rules as you see fit and please help anyone that needs help uploading clips. :)
Quote from: DavidW on June 30, 2011, 01:50:40 PM
I'm going away for awhile (well starting tomorrow),
Anything to help the game - is there an ETA for your return, Dave? :)
Quote from: Brian on June 30, 2011, 02:01:34 PM
Anything to help the game - is there an ETA for your return, Dave? :)
I'll be gone from tomorrow through the 14th but will be on briefly every day during that period. :)
Sorry Karl, I hope you're not offended. Perhaps Paul McCartney got the the idea from the Shostakovich? Anyway, you are in good company. I think McCartney is a decent composer, he writes from the heart, which counts for a lot. I will have another listen to your works, which, in fact, I did download some time ago and was intruiged by them at the time.
Thanks, all!
Is it Nielsen?
Quote from: Hattoff on July 01, 2011, 10:33:39 PM
Is it Nielsen?
No not Nielsen. I'll give a clue after a few more guesses
Okay, another stab in the dark, Hindemith?
It cannot be Hindemith, distinctly late romantic, with a Nordic feel to it, could very well be Sibelius but then I think someone would have pounced already. Is it Nordic/Scandinavian?
Here's a clue: the composer was not Nordic, not American.
Not Myaskovsky by any chance?
No, not Myaskovsky....Not Russian
Every time I listen, I think it is something which sounds familiar, and yet I can never figure out why! Is it 'entartete musik'? It sounds a little bit like Gideon Klein - but not much, and he was too young to write much string orchestra music.
The only other thought I have is that it's an English composer.
No, he was continental European
This composer wrote symphonies, concerti, chamber music and opera, but he achieved major musical fame in a different area
Quote from: Amfortas on July 03, 2011, 12:49:34 PM
No, he was continental European
This composer wrote symphonies, concerti, chamber music and opera, but he achieved major musical fame in a different area
That just leaves solo instrumental works, songs, and ...musicals? Ballet? It's not Stravinsky, as you said it wasn't a Russian...
Probably a conductor who composed. Unfortunately, it seems most of them did. Markevitch, Mengelberg, Klemperer, Busch, the lot, though perhaps not all of them wrote opera.
Not a conductor :) and you're forgetting another musical genre
That makes me think the genre is film music. Korngold?
Quote from: Coco on July 03, 2011, 01:34:47 PM
That makes me think the genre is film music. Korngold?
Not him
a politician? Paderewski?
The clip sounds like a French aspirant to Bruckner.
Quote from: listener on July 03, 2011, 11:04:03 PM
a politician? Paderewski?
The clip sounds like a French aspirant to Bruckner.
Go farther south in Europe, and further into the future
This composer achieved fame through collaboration with another artist
Quote from: Amfortas on July 04, 2011, 02:15:29 AM
Go farther south in Europe, and further into the future
This composer achieved fame through collaboration with another artist
Pure guess:
Nino Rota worked with
Fellini.
Quote from: Cato on July 04, 2011, 11:54:07 AM
Pure guess: Nino Rota worked with Fellini.
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Nino Rota: Concerto per Archi - Aria
[asin]B000002APZ[/asin]
Quote from: Amfortas on July 04, 2011, 01:11:49 PM
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Nino Rota: Concerto per Archi - Aria
[asin]B000002APZ[/asin]
I have never heard the work, so many thanks for the introduction!
Amfortas: I will contact you with an idea for the next work, since my computer is (apparently) not compatible with the downloading aspects.
Quote from: Cato on July 04, 2011, 02:54:47 PM
I have never heard the work, so many thanks for the introduction!
Amfortas: I will contact you with an idea for the next work, since my computer is (apparently) not compatible with the downloading aspects.
It's a beautiful work from start to finish, like most of Rota
Here is Cato's clip .....Have fun ;D
http://www.4shared.com/audio/vhOK1tBZ/Catos_mystery_4_July.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/vhOK1tBZ/Catos_mystery_4_July.html)
Quote from: Amfortas on July 04, 2011, 03:42:23 PM
Here is Cato's clip .....Have fun ;D
http://www.4shared.com/audio/vhOK1tBZ/Catos_mystery_4_July.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/vhOK1tBZ/Catos_mystery_4_July.html)
Many thanks to
Amfortas!
Let the deducing begin! 8)
Is there a hint of Alkan there?
Is it one of Liszt's "other" Mephisto waltzes?
EDIT: Don't think so - but it sure sounds like it could be...
Quote from: Brian on July 05, 2011, 12:53:15 AM
Is it one of Liszt's "other" Mephisto waltzes?
EDIT: Don't think so - but it sure sounds like it could be...
I can verify that
Liszt and
Alkan were alive at the same time as the mystery composer, but they were about a generation older.
Quote from: Amfortas on July 04, 2011, 03:42:23 PM
Here is Cato's clip .....Have fun ;D
http://www.4shared.com/audio/vhOK1tBZ/Catos_mystery_4_July.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/vhOK1tBZ/Catos_mystery_4_July.html)
The sound quality is most excellent for the "mystery" excerpt!
Quote from: Cato on July 05, 2011, 01:59:57 AM
I can verify that Liszt and Alkan were alive at the same time as the mystery composer, but they were about a generation older.
Was the mysterian a Slav - e.g. Scharwenka or Rubinstein?
The main theme sounds rather like the finale of Atterberg's violin concerto, I think...
Quote from: Brian on July 05, 2011, 07:49:41 AM
Was the Mysterian a Slav - e.g. Scharwenka or Rubinstein?
The main theme sounds rather like the finale of Atterberg's violin concerto, I think...
Wow! Fascinating associations!
No, not Slavic, and not Nordic.
And not a member of this group either:
(http://www.audiophileusa.com/covers400/63114.jpg)
Nor did he score this Japanese sci-fi epic ;D
(http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/10/1032/RDGL000Z/posters/the-mysterians.jpg)
Quote from: Amfortas on July 05, 2011, 10:33:24 AM
Nor did he score this Japanese sci-fi epic ;D
(http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/10/1032/RDGL000Z/posters/the-mysterians.jpg)
Dude! I saw that movie when it came out!
Part of my wasted youth! ;D
Ach, not with the abducting of our women again already!
Quote from: Cato on July 05, 2011, 11:13:32 AM
Dude! I saw that movie when it came out!
Part of my wasted youth! ;D
No way! That would make you as old as me! I begged to be taken to see it and the co-feature freaked me out out!!
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 05, 2011, 11:25:55 AM
Ach, not with the abducting of our women again already!
I do hate it when that happens!
Any musical proposals from
Karl or others yet?
Amfortas: I was quite capable of going to the movies in 1957! ;D
Quote from: Cato on July 05, 2011, 11:54:18 AM
I do hate it when that happens!
Any musical proposals from Karl or others yet?
Amfortas: I was quite capable of going to the movies in 1957! ;D
1959, but who's counting? ;D
Quote from: Amfortas on July 05, 2011, 01:28:58 PM
1959, but who's counting? ;D
I stopped counting a looong time ago!
So, mystery music: anyone, anyone?
It's unlikely, but is this a woman composer?
Quote from: Hattoff on July 05, 2011, 08:07:27 PM
It's unlikely, but is this a woman composer?
Not a woman composer.
A clue: the composer died before 1860. :o
Quote from: Cato on July 06, 2011, 04:13:41 AM
Not a woman composer.
A clue: the composer died before 1860. :o
Given that you said Liszt and Alkan were "about a generation older," this composer must have died in his 20s or 30 at latest! It sounds like he was very familiar with the Chopin scherzi, to which the music does have a certain resemblance. That's all I've got, though. :(
Quote from: Brian on July 06, 2011, 04:26:17 AM
Given that you said Liszt and Alkan were "about a generation older," this composer must have died in his 20s or 30 at latest! It sounds like he was very familiar with the Chopin scherzi, to which the music does have a certain resemblance. That's all I've got, though. :(
Excellent deduction, Watson, unless you are with the IRS! :o
Yes, the mystery composer lived a too short life.
But don't we all?
Another clue perhaps will generate the answer: his most famous work does NOT use a piano.
This post doesn't contain a guess, but it does contain a picture showing that Google has a new feature recommending composers for you to try! Amazing! ;D
either a banger of a pianist or piano 4-hands with a bit of a recording imbalance by the sound, added: but it's not
Carl Maria von WEBER from the 6 Pieces, op. 10 - the Mazurka.
Quote from: listener on July 06, 2011, 01:55:14 PM
either a banger of a pianist or piano 4-hands with a bit of a recording imbalance by the sound,
Carl Maria von WEBER from the 6 Pieces, op. 10 - the Mazurka.
Not a bad guess either, and
von Weber is under-rated in my opinion.
This clue might do it: the mystery composer is not a "piano banger," which sounds really kinky $:) , but was like
Bruckner in his choice of instruments.
Quote from: Cato on July 06, 2011, 02:03:33 PM
Not a bad guess either, and von Weber is under-rated in my opinion.
I agree with you there, von Weber is a longtime favorite of mine, a real tunesmith ;)
Quote from: Leon on July 06, 2011, 02:30:12 PM
Reger?
Lived much later - we're looking for a guy whose dates are roughly 1830-1860.
Quote from: Leon on July 06, 2011, 02:54:24 PM
Oh, I misunderstood the clue and thought the mystery composer was the generation after, not before.
:)
Yes, 1830-1860 is not a bad time-frame, however, his actual dates will be somewhat different: but he did not make it past 1860.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/vhOK1tBZ/Catos_mystery_4_July.html
Surely not the Balszenen by SCHUMANN?
edit: it isn't
but REUBKE Piano sonata
Quote from: listener on July 06, 2011, 07:35:15 PM
http://www.4shared.com/audio/vhOK1tBZ/Catos_mystery_4_July.html
Surely not the Balszenen by SCHUMANN?
edit: it isn't
but REUBKE Piano sonata
YAY!
Yes,
Julius Reubke, 1834-1858, one of the great might-have-beens in musical history.
His most famous work is the incredible
Sonata on the 94th Psalm for Organ. I still recall standing in the music library of my university and by chance coming across the score for this organ work. I had never heard of
Reubke but after standing there "hearing" the music as I read the score, I immediately ran for the record section!
Yes,
Liszt and
Wagner are in the atmosphere, but
Reubke's sound is individual.
So
Listener...take it away!
oooooo the joy of working with new programs and no....for dummies book
but if this works I'll be happy and enjoy the rest of the day.
This ought to be familiar, but is not often heard in concert
re-trying
http://www.4shared.com/audio/x8ONvWi7/06_Hyky_-_Copy.html
It worked!
Could it be from the Busoni piano concerto?
The link is not working for me! :o
Quote from: Cato on July 07, 2011, 02:06:49 PM
The link is not working for me! :o
It's a "WMA" file and you need Windows Media Player. If I can get it to work myself (and if Amfortas is wrong), I'll upload an MP3.
My dear Cato, let me know if you hear anything from this link! (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/06%2006%20Hyky%20-%20Copy.mp3)
Shouldn't it play right on the 4shared site? It did for me
Quote from: Amfortas on July 07, 2011, 02:38:11 PM
Shouldn't it play right on the 4shared site? It did for me
It played for you because your computer can play WMA (Windows Media Audio) files - Cato's can't so I made an MP3 for him. :)
Quote from: Brian on July 07, 2011, 03:01:19 PM
It played for you because your computer can play WMA (Windows Media Audio) files - Cato's can't so I made an MP3 for him. :)
Yes, it works!
Thank you! Usually the website has worked.
Anyway, no, it is not from the
Busoni concerto.
Thanks, Brian, for stepping in to help. The date is a little after the Busoni concerto, and a full orchestra is needed.
Widor: Piano Concerto no.2..... ?
not Widor.
Stenhammar: Piano Con 2?
Quote from: listener on July 08, 2011, 08:49:58 AM
not Widor.
There seems to be some "circus music" aspect in the excerpt, along with the off-kilter rhythms.
So I am thinking of some sort of
enfant terrible, but "a few years after the
Busoni" does not ring any special bells.
Quote from: Cato on July 08, 2011, 09:11:20 AM
There seems to be some "circus music" aspect in the excerpt, along with the off-kilter rhythms.
So I am thinking of some sort of enfant terrible, but "a few years after the Busoni" does not ring any special bells.
I'm just going on the clue about the year. The Busoni was 1904, so I've guessed concerti from the following few years. Maybe it's not a piano concerto? But what else could it be?. Your Enfant Terrible makes me think of Antheil, but his piano concerti are from the 1920s
Quote from: Amfortas on July 08, 2011, 09:24:09 AM
I'm just going on the clue about the year. The Busoni was 1904, so I've guessed concerti from the following few years. Maybe it's not a piano concerto? But what else could it be?. Your Enfant Terrible makes me think of Antheil, but his piano concerti are from the 1920s
I have heard one of
Antheil's concertos and this excerpt would not seem to be in his style. And yes, the 1920's would seem to be too late.
pre-war, and the composer is the pianist, and I haven't mastered the art of clipping so I'll post this bit from the score:
Dude, that's Mystery Score, not Name that piece! ; )
It's as if Alex Trebek was hosting Wheel of Fortune!
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 08, 2011, 10:07:05 AM
Dude, that's Mystery Score, not Name that piece! ; )
It's as if Alex Trebek was hosting Wheel of Fortune!
It's a clue, from the mystery piece. I haven't mastered the clipping part from the audio files.
Just ribbing. Carry on!
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 08, 2011, 10:28:18 AM
Just ribbing. Carry on!
no offence taken, and I'll add that there is a vibraphone to be heard in the clip, but that's probably no help.
So now we know the composer is (probably) German/Austrian!
Google reveals that Joseph Marx wrote a piano concerto: he was a mystery composer earlier.
not MARX, but getting warmer. I thought this one might be very elementary.
You didn't respond to my Stenhammar guess, but he's not Austro-German
not STENHAMMER
It's an interesting sound, this clip is, maybe you can deduce something from the score bit, that's for piano and strings.
Quote from: listener on July 08, 2011, 09:57:40 AM
pre-war, and the composer is the pianist,
Do you mean the composer is playing the piano in the excerpt? :o
Or that the composer was also a pianist?
If he means a composer playing his own music on a recording, that should narrow it down
Not Prokofiev?
Quote from: Amfortas on July 08, 2011, 12:36:28 PM
If he means a composer playing his own music on a recording, that should narrow it down
Not Prokofiev?
not Prokofiev, but on the right track. He seems to have avoided writing for winds, but there is a delicious episode in this piece â la Shostakovich where the accompaniment is piccolo and flutes, basson and double bassoon. Wrote in most other genres (than wind chamber) but not a lot.
Quote from: Amfortas on July 08, 2011, 12:36:28 PM
If he means a composer playing his own music on a recording, that should narrow it down
Given the German score (e.g. "Br." =
Bratschen i.e. Violas), we would seem not to want a Russian compatriot of
Prokofiev. Plus the recording quality sounds very modern!
Jean Françaix? A composer I like a lot, but I don't recognise the piece if it is him.
non, pas français ou Françaix (neither Françaix or French). The recording was made in 1957.
Sorry, guys, but I do actually know this piece - is the etiquette to blurt it straight out or to drop hints? It's Hungarian...
DF
Quote from: DaveF on July 09, 2011, 02:49:23 AM
Sorry, guys, but I do actually know this piece - is the etiquette to blurt it straight out or to drop hints? It's Hungarian...
DF
Blurt away...
But if you are right, you are next to post a clip...
Well, it'll be a techincal challenge, as well as a musical one to find something you cultivated crew don't know. I guess if it was recorded in 1957, it's the composer himself at the Edinburgh Festival playing his Variations on a Nursery Song - Ernő Dohnányi.
Oh wow! Immediately found a recording and put it on and what a fun piece! The introduction is hilarious ;D
That was a good round. You really had me.
I have to admit Dohnányi is one of the few 20th C composers I never think about and never listen to.
Aha! I have heard about this work on the radio, when something else by Dohnanyi was played, i.e. that it was probably his most famous opus. And then they played his First Symphony.
Many thanks to "Listener" for the excerpt!
OK, so I need to set up an account at 4Shared, rip a minute or two of something fiendishly obscure from my CD collection, convert to MP3, upload, post link here... anything else?
DF
Quote from: DaveF on July 09, 2011, 06:59:02 AM
OK, so I need to set up an account at 4Shared, rip a minute or two of something fiendishly obscure from my CD collection, convert to MP3, upload, post link here... anything else?
DF
Not too fiendish we h >:D pe............. :D
Well, since Joseph Marx and Julius Reubke have featured recently, not much would qualify as fiendish!
What about this: http://www.4shared.com/audio/asEh4W-d/mystery.html?. Hints of lots of different composers to my ears, so hope it provides fun.
DF
That's how it's done :)
Whatever it is, it sounds marvelous, and slightly folk-ish in perhaps a British Isles way. Sounds like a symphonic expansion of one of Arnold's short dances.
Glad you like it - reason I let it run for 2½ minutes is because it's so lovely. It does sound as though VW, Holst and all have gone into the mix - probably accidentally, as it's not British. "Symphonic" is good though.
Quote from: DaveF on July 09, 2011, 07:47:41 AM
Glad you like it - reason I let it run for 2½ minutes is because it's so lovely. It does sound as though VW, Holst and all have gone into the mix - probably accidentally, as it's not British. "Symphonic" is good though.
Aahh, but is it
Welsh? 0:)
Quote from: Cato on July 09, 2011, 08:06:54 AM
Aahh, but is it Welsh? 0:)
Geographically "British" includes England, Scotland, and Wales; politically it adds Northern Ireland. Now if he had said it was not English you would be on to something.
I am surprised it's not British - surprised enough to think it is from the Commonwealth! Canada? Australia? ;D
There is a moment, around 1'30" that sounds very British (RVW) to me....
Brian may be onto something with Australian...maybe Peter Sculthorpe?
No, not English-speaking at all, I'm afraid - not even Welsh.
Maybe Scandinavian....
Einar Englund?
Oh, I'm impressed! Right region. Older contemporary of Englund.
answer to my DOHNANYI poser confirmed: and I thought that was going to be too easy! The title probably makes performers and programmers look down on the work, but it's really a very clever piece with very inventive orchestration.
I was slightly off in the recording date: 1957 was the coptyright year, it was recorded in 1956 at Abbey Road Studio, Royal Philharmonic, Boult cond.
Quote from: DaveF on July 09, 2011, 09:09:52 AM
Oh, I'm impressed! Right region. Older contemporary of Englund.
My only idea was (for a moment) Geirr Tveitt, so I've decided to not parcticipate. He is for me absolutely obscure - I can never remember which is his given (or rather taken) and which is his family name.
Quote from: listener on July 09, 2011, 09:15:37 AM
answer to my DOHNANYI poser confirmed
Yes, thanks for the reminder of what a good piece it is; when I said I "knew" it, in fact it only came back to me after a day of walking around whistling that hopelessly catchy variation. Luckily nobody asked me what it was I was whistling. One of the first pieces of "serious" (very funny in fact) music I ever got to know.
DF
How about Uuno Klami? :D
Right region, different country. Another clue: this piece, which is choral, sets the same text as a work by a well-known fictional 20th-century composer.
Quote from: DaveF on July 09, 2011, 10:35:15 AM
Right region, different country. Another clue: this piece, which is choral, sets the same text as a work by a well-known fictional 20th-century composer.
A fictional composer? "Adrian Leverkühn" perhaps? This would not be "Spring Festival" by Humphrey Searle?
Yes, spot on with the fictional composer, but we're in Scandinavia, don't forget...
Quote from: DaveF on July 09, 2011, 11:37:18 AM
Yes, spot on with the fictional composer, but we're in Scandinavia, don't forget...
Poul Ruders?
What about Hambraeus, "Apoclapsis cum Figuris"?
No, scratch that, it's for organ and chorus, not orchestra :(
(http://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com.ezp-prod1.hul.harvard.edu/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/BIS-CD-1048.jpg)
Closer with every step - the text is indeed from Revelation. Not Hambraeus, though - older contemporary of Englund. Older contemporary of most people, in fact - definitely one for the long-livers list.
Got it.....Hilding Rosenberg!
That's him! and I'm sure you were going on to say:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61PIla1Cd%2BL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
otherwise the Revelation of St John, otherwise the Symphony no.4. It's got lots of good things in it, that opening chorus of part II that I quoted being one of the best. The long baritone recits are perhaps a bit daunting at first, although probably the most harmonically advanced bits of the piece. Excellent recording and performance, and worth a listen.
DF
Very good choice. I have access to that recording and will listen to it.
By the way, the Hambraeus piece sounded very good too in the sampling I did.
Here is the next mystery piece
>:D This one has a twist.... :D
http://www.4shared.com/audio/NBQfYbEs/Mystery_piece_10_July.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/NBQfYbEs/Mystery_piece_10_July.html)
What a pity some old clips are missing!
Is it an orchestral version of a vocal original?
If I know this, should I spoil the fun too soon by revealing it?
Quote from: Wanderer on July 10, 2011, 09:56:48 PM
If I know this, should I spoil the fun too soon by revealing it?
Reveal away - I listened, but don't recognize it.
Quote from: mc ukrneal on July 10, 2011, 11:09:54 PM
Reveal away - I listened, but don't recognize it.
It's an orchestral transcription of Mahler's Piano Quartet.
Quote from: Wanderer on July 10, 2011, 11:34:40 PM
It's an orchestral transcription of Mahler's Piano Quartet.
Wow. I really liked it. Where can this be found?
Dang. I thought the opening sounded a lot like Mahler, but I also thought that if it was Mahler everyone jump on it in ten seconds.
It's also clearly been orchestrated by someone else, no?
Quote from: mc ukrneal on July 11, 2011, 12:21:57 AM
Wow. I really liked it. Where can this be found?
Amfortas will tell us; in my view, although it sounds like an able attempt, the original work is clearly superior:
http://www.youtube.com/v/Jyf64r4KvaI
Quote from: Wanderer on July 10, 2011, 09:56:48 PM
If I know this, should I spoil the fun too soon by revealing it?
You're not spoiling any fun. I figured someone would recognize it eventually. It's orchestrated by Colin Matthews, and a beautiful job in my opinion.
So you're the winner, Wanderer :D
Can we expect a mystery clip from Wanderer?
Here's one to be going on with.
A lot easier, let's take it easy.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/Z3Ncmj5i/17_Track_17.html
As booklet from my old LP box says it is:
Antonín Dvořák - Jakobín, Act 2.
Quote from: mszczuj on July 12, 2011, 11:30:15 PM
As booklet from my old LP box says it is:
Antonín Dvořák - Jakobín, Act 2.
Aw man. I finally recognize something and I am too slow! Good call! look forward to your clip.
EDIT: I Would add that the opera is highly enjoyable. Some wonderful music and there is some beautiful singing (Act II, excerpted here, is excellent).
http://www.4shared.com/audio/3N7Q16cJ/clip.html?
Who has ever heard it will probably recognize it. But I suppose there will by some fun for others.
It's my rip from LP wich was very often used, sorry.
A bassoon concerto by.... Carl Maria von Weber?
Quote from: Amfortas on July 13, 2011, 02:37:39 AM
A bassoon concerto by.... Carl Maria von Weber?
Well, Weber wrote some very funny music for bassoon. I'm not a great fan of his concerto, but I really admire this crazy Rondo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmuUcja4RKk&feature=related
But, alas, mystery clip is not by Carl Maria von Weber.
How about Gioacchino Rossini?
Well done to mszczuj, you were very quick indeed.
Your bassoon piece really does sound like Jean Francaix?
Quote from: Hattoff on July 13, 2011, 03:37:00 AM
Your bassoon piece really does sound like Jean Francaix?
Nice shot. But alas...
Well. Let's consider two main factors - nationality of composer and era which he/she belongs to.
In one of these aspects you were closer than both answers of Amfortas - but in other aspect he was twice right.
Quote from: mszczuj on July 13, 2011, 04:02:54 AM
Nice shot. But alas...
Well. Let's consider two main factors - nationality of composer and era which he/she belongs to.
In one of these aspects you were closer than both answers of Amfortas - but in other aspect he was twice right.
Gounod perhaps? Maybe too late?
Quote from: mc ukrneal on July 13, 2011, 04:14:52 AM
Gounod perhaps? Maybe too late?
You are not so close as Hattoff was in one aspect, but in other aspect you are as wrong as he was.
How about Rosetti?
Quote from: Amfortas on July 13, 2011, 06:22:12 AM
How about Rosetti?
Not him.
In one of the aspects it is the worst of all answers so far. In other aspect it is difficult to estimate but I think for some reasons we can suspect your answer goes in right directory.
There is one thing common about both of them - the mystery one and Rosetti. They changed their surnames, but not totally.
Quote from: mszczuj on July 13, 2011, 06:48:07 AM
There is one thing common about both of them - the mystery one and Rosetti. They changed their surnames, but not totally.
I must say that's a good clue, and it's driving me crazy to think of who it could be. :o
"But not totally" could mean he dropped a syllable, or added one... :-X
Quote from: Amfortas on July 13, 2011, 07:59:32 AM
I must say that's a good clue, and it's driving me crazy to think of who it could be. :o
"But not totally" could mean he dropped a syllable, or added one... :-X
Did Mendelssohn[-Bartholdy] write anything for bassoon? Surely it's not him, though!
Well, it's time for first really serious clue, I suppose.
Some of the most important works of mystery composer were written to the words of the famous italian writer Carlo Goldoni.
Baldassare Galuppi ?? :o
Quote from: Amfortas on July 13, 2011, 09:11:22 AM
Baldassare Galuppi ?? :o
Try once again. I miss only 2 to make score 150.
Quote from: mszczuj on July 13, 2011, 09:20:26 AM
Try once again. I miss only 2 to make score 150.
?? ???
Quote from: Amfortas on July 13, 2011, 10:32:28 AM
?? ???
Score? It is simple measure of fun.
Year of first known compositions of composer mentioned in answer minus year of composition from clip.
or
Year of composition from clip minus year of death of composer mentioned in answer.
For Galuppi it is 148.
Wolf-Ferrari, op,. 16?
Quote from: listener on July 13, 2011, 01:09:53 PM
Wolf-Ferrari, op,. 16?
You know, I think you are right. I had forgotten about him. This has the right style to fit.
Quote from: listener on July 13, 2011, 01:09:53 PM
Wolf-Ferrari, op,. 16?
Born in 1876, son of german painter August Wolf and Italian Emilia Ferrari, he had learn composition in Germany and wrote italian operas which were succeses mainly in Germany. So he was German as Weber (and probably Roesler-Rosetti) and he was Italian as Rossini and Galuppi. He was contemporary of Gounod and Francaix, but his music is contemporary only to music of the later. Since 1895 he used to add the maiden-name of his mother to his surname. Five of his operas are after Goldoni, among them "I quatro rusteghi".
Suite-Concertino Op.16 for basson and orchestra (strings and 2 horns - in 1933, isn't this nice?) is composed of three moody Andantes and one short (2 minutes) Presto. This Presto is the second part of work and it is named Strimpellata (piece of strumming). The clip has been made from last seconds of it. The performers are Valery Popov and Ensemble of soloists lead by Gennady Rozhdestvensky. (There is Jolivet's Bassoon concerto on the ather side of LP)
Now, it's your turn.
Quote from: mszczuj on July 14, 2011, 01:20:16 AM
Born in 1876, son of german painter August Wolf and Italian Emilia Ferrari, he had learn composition in Germany and wrote italian operas which were succeses mainly in Germany. So he was German as Weber (and probably Roesler-Rosetti) and he was Italian as Rossini and Galuppi. He was contemporary of Gounod and Francaix, but his music is contemporary only to music of the later. Since 1895 he used to add the maiden-name of his mother to his surname. Five of his operas are after Goldoni, among them "I quatro rusteghi".
Suite-Concertino Op.16 for basson and orchestra (strings and 2 horns - in 1933, isn't this nice?) is composed of three moody Andantes and one short (2 minutes) Presto. This Presto is the second part of work and it is named Strimpellata (piece of strumming). The clip has been made from last seconds of it. The performers are Valery Popov and Ensemble of soloists lead by Gennady Rozhdestvensky. (There is Jolivet's Bassoon concerto on the ather side of LP)
Good choice. I actually own this on the recent Chandos recording. I will have to go back and give the disc another listen, as clearly I have not listened to it enough, since I didn't recognize the piece!
I've a couple WMA clips but I've not been able to convert or edit them. Anyone with some some time to help, or step in?
I have pm'd listener and will post his chosen clip shortly
Here is Listener's mystery clip ---
http://www.4shared.com/audio/CnS3FvKn/Listeners_mystery_14_July.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/CnS3FvKn/Listeners_mystery_14_July.html)
Thanks for that, and for the delete of the earlier messsage.
Quote from: Amfortas on July 14, 2011, 12:41:47 PM
Here is Listener's mystery clip ---
http://www.4shared.com/audio/CnS3FvKn/Listeners_mystery_14_July.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/CnS3FvKn/Listeners_mystery_14_July.html)
It is making me curious.
Very curious.
Couldn't we talk about it?
small hint: The composer has a thread in the composer section, this is not a typical genre. I don't think he ever wrote a symphony.
Main theme sounds to me polish or like a Chopin parody. The whole fragment - I would say it may be french music. But I have really no idea who could he be.
What is after these cats from 2:13? How long is this piece?
That was almost the whole piece. Wrong country for the piece and composer, and they are 'different'.
To me, it sounds like Grieg brought up to date. I checked his cello sonata (very nice) but it's not that.
Quote from: Hattoff on July 16, 2011, 10:37:59 PM
To me, it sounds like Grieg brought up to date. I checked his cello sonata (very nice) but it's not that.
Beautiful guess! but not right. It's supposed to sound like that, probably (which should whittle down the choices substantially).
The first person who comes to mind with Grieg connections is Delius! Lovely.
One of his cello pieces?
I don't have a lot of his chamber music (violin sonatas only) so can't work through to find it..
Delius is one of the two I would associate with Grieg, but the composer is the other. Not European.
Aha, Australian?
yes, you've got it....
The amazing Percy Grainger. i don't know the piece. I see he set several folksongs for cello and piano and something called youthful rapture but I don't have them. What is there not to like about PG's music? Not a lot.
Here's the next excerpt.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/QQvc5Rd0/impossible.html
Something by Havergal Brian?
It should be shouldn't it?
I am listening to the Gothic as I type.
If that man was not a genius then the human race should pack it's bags and fly to the sun now, because it ain't gonna do much better.
No not Brian.
Quote from: Hattoff on July 17, 2011, 11:42:11 AM
It should be shouldn't it?
I am listening to the Gothic as I type.
So am I :D
I have no idea who your composer could be at this point, but Brian seemed a good guess.
sounds like it's from an opera... or some sort of oratorio?
re my last puzzler: Percy Grainger - the Polka Norvégiene from the Suite 'La Scandinavie' (1902)
from this disc
good sleuthing, that was. PS the Gothic came over very well on the internet, great job of microphone placement by the BBC, and that was a very well behaved audience.
Quote from: Amfortas on July 17, 2011, 11:47:13 AM
sounds like it's from an opera... or some sort of oratorio?
As I listen to it I'm all time almost sure I had seen this movie.
sounds Russian to me, Prokofiev On Guard for Peace ?
I thought this one would be difficult!
If mszczuj and Listener get together we are there, but the answer, if you know your onions, will still be unexpected.
Both of you are sort of right. The first one to reply wins :D
With the racket the chorus in the background is making, I'll suggest one of the IVAN THE TERRIBLE films by Prok., doesn't sound to me like a KING LEAR or HAMLET ending.
It's not Battleship Potemkin is it?
Also, re: the Gothic
Quote from: listener on July 17, 2011, 12:05:33 PMthat was a very well behaved audience.
Thanks :)
Doesn't sound like Prokofiev or Shostakovich to me, but I could wrong and often have been :P
Quote from: Amfortas on July 18, 2011, 12:24:55 PM
Doesn't sound like Prokofiev or Shostakovich to me, but I could wrong and often have been :P
It doesn't, really. But I was assuming the Russian thing was a good clue. Who does that leave? Khachaturian? Doesn't sound like him either. Miaskovsky? I think the main theme slightly more Shostakovish (sorry) than Prokofiendish...
Quote from: Brian on July 18, 2011, 12:28:16 PM
It doesn't, really. But I was assuming the Russian thing was a good clue. Who does that leave? Khachaturian? Doesn't sound like him either. Miaskovsky? I think the main theme slightly more Shostakovish (sorry) than Prokofiendish...
Agree it's more like Shostak, but I'm not a Proktologist [sorry ;D ], though I do love most of what I know
It reminds me a bit of those Russians like Borodin (Polovtsian Dances, for ex)
Well done to all, you're all close. The closest is Listener so take it away Listener.
Prokofiev completed four other, practically unknown, film scores during WW2: Tonya, Lermontov, Partisans of the Ukrainian Steppes and Kotovsky. My clip was from the end credits of Kotovsky.
All the films contain some good music, their neglect, considering Prokofiev's popularity, is perverse.
Quote from: Hattoff on July 18, 2011, 11:11:20 PM
My clip was from the end credits of Kotovsky.
In fact it is rather final vision of future battles of hero.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0mTJPsmtMA&feature=related - last minute
Blimey mszczuj, I wasn't expecting that! Great, thanks very much.
Are any other of the films out there?
I have collected all four films from Russia over the years but the youtube Kotovsky is a much better cut than the one I have.
I would like a better cut of Tonya which is probably the only film of the four worth watching for its own sake.
Quote from: Hattoff on July 19, 2011, 12:18:55 AM
Blimey mszczuj, I wasn't expecting that! Great, thanks very much.
I've just find Kotovsky in Wiki, gone to russian version of it, pasted the name in YouTube. Really nothing, half a minute.
To find Lermontov was not so easy but I did it in the same way using more patience:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpJLD0GTqXs
By the way, there are two composers mentioned in the credits of this movie. The other is V. Pushkov (not present in russian Wiki)
To find Partisans of the Ukrainian Steppes (in fact it should be translated Partisans in the Steppes of Ukraine) I went to russian Wiki, found list of Prokofiev's works, pasted the russian title and ...
it is not in You tube except of 15 minutes
But there is a link to download the whole movie below.
So I find the site where are some soviet movies and almost all films with music of Prokofiev!
http://film.arjlover.net/info/poruchik.kizhe.avi.html
http://film.arjlover.net/info/aleksandr.nevskij.avi.html
http://film.arjlover.net/info/lermontov.avi.html
http://film.arjlover.net/info/kotovskij.avi.html
http://film.arjlover.net/info/partizany.v.stepjah.ukrainy.avi.html
http://film.arjlover.net/info/ivan.groznyj.1.avi.html
http://film.arjlover.net/info/ivan.groznyj.2.avi.html
The only exception was "Tonia". But I tried again in YouTube. Well, the title of the movie is Our girls - Tonia is only part of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dajFsuHNEVY
So here is the last avi:
http://film.arjlover.net/info/boevoj.kinosbornik.nashi.devushki.avi.html
mszczuj, you are a genius.
I am as pleased with your finding those films as I am with the Brian, Gothic performance, which is very, very pleased.
The sound quality of Tonia is much better than VHS tape I had so much trouble getting from Russia.
With Lermontov, Prokofiev typically had a row with the director and walked out. Pushkov was brought in to finish the music, he used a rather nice theme of his own and some operetta excerpts.
The other films you found will be useful as well, particulary Lieutenant Kije which was on You Tube but was taken off at the request of Prokofiev's estate.
Thanks again.
Quote from: Hattoff on July 19, 2011, 04:08:21 AM
mszczuj, you are a genius.
No, I just can read russian.
But it is very nice to be useful.
New one in preparation, thanks to Amfortas.
It may be tricky as it was published under a pseudonym.
Listener's next clip -
http://www.4shared.com/audio/XVeoBgtC/listenersmystery.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/XVeoBgtC/listenersmystery.html)
Quote from: Amfortas on July 20, 2011, 10:42:19 AM
Listener's next clip -
http://www.4shared.com/audio/XVeoBgtC/listenersmystery.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/XVeoBgtC/listenersmystery.html)
I'm gonna guess the
pianist is Dick Hyman.
Or the composer, if the composer is William Bolcom.
Quote from: Hattoff on July 19, 2011, 04:08:21 AM
mszczuj, you are a genius.
I am as pleased with your finding those films as I am with the Brian, Gothic performance, which is very, very pleased.
The sound quality of Tonia is much better than VHS tape I had so much trouble getting from Russia.
With Lermontov, Prokofiev typically had a row with the director and walked out. Pushkov was brought in to finish the music, he used a rather nice theme of his own and some operetta excerpts.
The other films you found will be useful as well, particulary Lieutenant Kije which was on You Tube but was taken off at the request of Prokofiev's estate.
Thanks again.
I am glad for you, Hattoff! I know how you were looking for that Steppes film a few years ago. mszczuj - you're certainly useful!
Quote from: Brian on July 20, 2011, 02:32:03 PM
I'm gonna guess the pianist is Dick Hyman.
Or the composer, if the composer is William Bolcom.
neither name for either composer or pianist. The composer has been dead for over a half-century, (pianist is still alive).
Thanks Johan. It has been a long road.
mszczuj, you will always be a genius to me.
From what little I know of him, is the composer Arthur Benjamin?
Not Benjamin, and in fact not really known as a composer.
bringing the clip link forward to save page turning.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/XVeoBgtC/listenersmystery.html
Quote from: listener on July 20, 2011, 04:36:54 PM
neither name for either composer or pianist. The composer has been dead for over a half-century, (pianist is still alive).
It's not Mrs Mills is it? ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlqZ_gXdEjc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlqZ_gXdEjc&feature=related)
not Mrs. Mills Since we're at the 48 hr. point on this one, more hints. The composer is more known as a player, and you might associate him with Mozart or Debussy.
WOW. :o :o :o I just found it and I literally can't believe who the composer is. What an ingenious puzzle! Never would have expected that.
I'm off to Spain in 15 hours so unless there is desire for a Lightning Round, I'll let the next guesser take the prize. :)
Robert Casadesus?
Ack! My copy of Audacity has gone completely haywire!!!
I just tried opening an MP3 to edit for the game, but during the import process it automatically stretched the MP3 to 27 minutes! When I sped up the music to its original tempo, the sound was nasty and the pitches were all wrong! What's happened? Help!??!?! :(
mszczuj - not Casadesus
Okay, folks, time for a LIGHTNING ROUND!
listener's clip was by Walter Gieseking: "Schorschi-Batschi"
played (I think) by Marc-Andre Hamelin
I'd love to hear more about this work, had absolutely no idea Gieseking composed, let alone composed jazz! :o [EDIT: He also has a really nice dance suite with a foxtrot and a Charleston, if you liked listener's clip!]
In the mean time, here is my new challenge! (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/Fri%20Jul%2022%2022%3B58%3B53%202011.mp3) That really ugly second at the start is NOT part of the music! It's the best I could do with my copy of Audacity gone absolutely haywire/unusable. :( I am heading out on holiday at 2 p.m. London time tomorrow, so I will post the answer when I go unless it's been guessed.
Two hints:
1. The music was written by a composer from the country where I'm going on my holiday
2. The number of performers you hear in the clip may be deceptive ;)
Is that a viol being played...something by Marin Marais perhaps?
Quote from: Amfortas on July 22, 2011, 02:38:12 PM
Is that a viol being played...something by Marin Marais perhaps?
Well the
country instrument century continent is correct!
Quote from: Brian on July 22, 2011, 03:34:45 PM
Well the country instrument century continent is correct!
:-*
Spain, a theorbo? ;D
Quote from: Amfortas on July 22, 2011, 04:38:48 PM
:-*
Spain, a theorbo? ;D
No, the piece sounds distinctly irish or scottish (the mention of going on vacation to a different
country suggests the former). A theorbo is plucked not bowed. It could be a violin, fiddle or high viol, but the drone implies something like a hurdy gurdy.
Quote from: petrarch on July 22, 2011, 04:52:02 PM
No, the piece sounds distinctly irish or scottish (the mention of going on vacation to a different country suggests the former). A theorbo is plucked not bowed. It could be a violin, fiddle or high viol, but the drone implies something like a hurdy gurdy.
I agree with that already, but Brian may be sneaky with this clip...
Walter Gieseking was correct, source is
Rarities Of Piano Music At Schloss Vor Husum (1994)
Release Date: 01/18/2006
Label: Danacord Catalog #: 429 Spars Code: DDD
Composer: César Franck, Nikolay Myaskovsky, Nikolai Medtner, Percy Aldridge Grainger, Stephen Reynolds,
Manuel de Falla, Xavier Montsalvatge, Frank Martin, Sigismund Thalberg,
Charles Valentin Alkan, Walter Gieseking
Performer: Igor Zhukov, Oleg Marshev, Hamish Milne, Stephen Hough, Enrique Perez de Guzman,
Paul Badura-Skoda, Marc-André Hamelin
Number of Discs: 1
Recorded in: Stereo
The correct country has been mentioned!
It should be noted that this is by a well-known composer, and not just in the GMG sense of well-known. His composing career was inextricably linked to this, his own instrument.
Quote from: Amfortas on July 22, 2011, 05:16:34 PM
I agree with that already, but Brian may be sneaky with this clip...
Could be. ;D
Quote from: listener on July 22, 2011, 05:30:17 PM
Walter Gieseking was correct, source is
Rarities Of Piano Music At Schloss Vor Husum (1994)
Release Date: 01/18/2006
Label: Danacord Catalog #: 429 Spars Code: DDD
Composer: César Franck, Nikolay Myaskovsky, Nikolai Medtner, Percy Aldridge Grainger, Stephen Reynolds,
Manuel de Falla, Xavier Montsalvatge, Frank Martin, Sigismund Thalberg,
Charles Valentin Alkan, Walter Gieseking
Performer: Igor Zhukov, Oleg Marshev, Hamish Milne, Stephen Hough, Enrique Perez de Guzman,
Paul Badura-Skoda, Marc-André Hamelin
Number of Discs: 1
Recorded in: Stereo
How is this series? Are there 1-2 that are especially good?
Alexander Mackenzie?
Quote from: mszczuj on July 23, 2011, 01:02:40 AM
Alexander Mackenzie?
A LOT more well-known than that! :)
Oh, I probably didn't understand your mention about vacations.
So it must be one of Airs Écossais of Pablo de Sarasate.
Pablo Casals?
Quote from: mszczuj on July 23, 2011, 02:11:05 AM
So it must be one of Airs Écossais of Pablo de Sarasate.
Close enough!
The clip is the opening of
Muiñeiras, by Pablo de Sarasate. The extract features a plain old Vuillaume violin (not a hurdy-gurdy, theorbo, fiddle, or viol) as played by 24-year-old Tianwa Yang; I cut the sample off right before the entrance of the Navarra Symphony Orchestra.
[asin]B004OZROY2[/asin]
Over to mszczuj :)
Probably it is easy even if it sounds not too familiar:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/u1dYc3iM/wtf.html?
Maybe one of the arrangements of Kurt Weill for clarinet and piano?
It sounds like Clarinet and piano playing quarter tones. I don't have access to a recording, but could it be Alois Haba's Suite No. 1, Op. 24?
Quote from: vivolin on July 23, 2011, 06:57:55 AM
It sounds like Clarinet and piano playing quarter tones. I don't have access to a recording, but could it be Alois Haba's Suite No. 1, Op. 24?
Yes. Milan Etlik plays quarter-tone clarinet and Vladimir Koula quarter-tone piano.
[asin]B00000JHLB[/asin]
I was afraid this was easy.
So, your turn.
Quote from: mszczuj on July 23, 2011, 07:38:52 AM
Yes. Milan Etlik plays quarter-tone clarinet and Vladimir Koula quarter-tone piano.
I was afraid this was easy.
So, your turn.
mszczuj, it was the quarter tones that gave it away, then Wikipedia to the rescue! :)
This is my first posting of a clip, so let me know if y'all have any technical trouble.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1862565/Mystery_vivolin.mp3
It sounds to me like an orchestral fragment of one of Richard Strauss' less known operas like Intermezzo, Die schweigsame Frau, Die ägyptische Helena...
Franz Schmidt?
Quote from: Amfortas on July 23, 2011, 08:25:17 AM
Franz Schmidt?
Schmidt is right! I'm going to be away from the computer the rest of the day, so I'll pass the game on to Amfortas.
I agree with mszczuj that it sounds Straussian.
It's from the 4th Symphony, 3rd movement.
[asin] B000003GEJ[/asin]
Quote from: vivolin on July 23, 2011, 08:31:47 AM
Schmidt is right! I'm going to be away from the computer the rest of the day, so I'll pass the game on to Amfortas.
I agree with mszczuj that it sounds Straussian.
It's from the 4th Symphony, 3rd movement.
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It was driving me crazy until I remembered I knew it....a beautiful work
HERE IS THE NEXT MYSTERY CLIP ---
http://www.4shared.com/audio/oMDMW9hs/Ok_now_listen_to_this.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/oMDMW9hs/Ok_now_listen_to_this.html)
I listened to the Alois Haba clip a few times, trying to work out who it was and have found that it's got stuck in my head. It's just my cup of tea, so I looked for recordings of his music and there's nothing available at a reasonable price. I have ordered an exerpt from his opera "Mother" and found some bits and pieces on You Tube.
Anyone got any ideas on where to go from here? I will fork out some money if I can get a definite recommendation.
I have no idea about the latest clip. Hamish MacGunn?
It reminds me of RACHMANINOFF, maybe one of the Respighi orchestrations, but probably isn't.
None of the guesses are correct, or even close.
This is from a 3-movement work
The composer is said to be the first to make use of an instrument that is used by major composers after him
Is it French?
Is it Varese and the Theremin?
Quote from: The new erato on July 25, 2011, 08:52:31 AM
Is it Varese and the Theremin?
Not Varèse.
another clue: this is a work for soprano (or baritone) and orchestra
Quote from: Amfortas on July 25, 2011, 09:11:15 AM
another clue: this is a work for soprano (or baritone) and orchestra
Of course!
Ernest Chausson - Poème de l'amour et de la mer - Interlude
Quote from: mszczuj on July 25, 2011, 09:51:38 AM
Of course!
Ernest Chausson - Poème de l'amour et de la mer - Interlude
Correct!
Short, loud & easy
http://www.4shared.com/audio/OdGyfV_M/aa_aa_a_aa.html?
Quote from: Amfortas on July 25, 2011, 10:21:45 AM
Correct!
But is the instrument you referred to the saxophone or what? Inquiring minds wants to know.
Quote from: The new erato on July 25, 2011, 12:10:46 PM
But is the instrument you referred to the saxophone or what? Inquiring minds wants to know.
Supposedly celesta (orchestrally), according to Wikipedia
Guessing the new clip:
.....Prince Igor (Borodin).....?
Quote from: Amfortas on July 25, 2011, 12:59:40 PM
Guessing the new clip:
.....Prince Igor (Borodin).....?
No.
This is not the most popular work of its composer, and is really very rare performed complete, but some parts of it are more frequently recorded. One of them is even sort of a hit and you can find them on some favorite-super hits-encores records and played by Boston or Cincinnati Pops. Alas this hit is one of less interesting pieces of its composer. I think the piece of our clip is much much more enjoyable.
Once again link to the clip:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/OdGyfV_M/aa_aa_a_aa.html?
Something by Khatchaturian?
This composer is rather more popular than Khatchaturian and rather more popular than Borodin.
Tchaikovsky?
The Mystery Composer had never been in Russia.
One of Sibelius' little known choruses?
When Sibelius was born Finland was in Russia.
That's a good point :-[
The Mistery Composer is rather more popular than Sibelius.
soounds quasi-oriental, a chorus from SAINT-SAËNS Samson and Delilah?
Shooting from the hip..Carl Orff?
Quote from: listener on July 27, 2011, 12:06:47 AM
soounds quasi-oriental,
Yes. This was the purpose of the composer.
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a chorus from SAINT-SAËNS Samson and Delilah?
No.
The Mystery Composer is rather more popular than Saint-Saëns.
Quote from: Il Furioso on July 27, 2011, 12:09:00 AM
Shooting from the hip..Carl Orff?
Or than Orff.
Verdi? Getting desperate, but no, but yes, Verdi.
Quote from: Hattoff on July 27, 2011, 03:17:47 PM
Verdi? Getting desperate, but no, but yes, Verdi.
No.
And yes. The Mystery Composer is rather more popular than Verdi,
'Dervishes' was the first word that came to my mind, but none in Berlioz Damnation..or L'Enfance de Christ, but yea, more famous than Verdi, and rarely heard complete although we did have an example of creative programming locally when some excerpts complemented a performance of Liszt's Fantasia on themes from Beethoven's The Ruins of Athens.
Quote from: listener on July 27, 2011, 09:20:59 PM
Beethoven's The Ruins of Athens.
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Chor der Derwische: Du hast in deine Ärmels Falten den Mond getragen (CD4 Track 04)
RIAS-Kammerchor
Berliner Philharmoniker
Bernhard Klee
I had to choose fragment without german words - so it was not so spectacular as it is when listened from the beginning.
Oh, and I had to be little unfair with one answer. I didn't mention that The Mystery Composer was rather more popular than Tchaikovsky.
I had that on the original vinyl.
New one http://www.4shared.com/audio/bMOH93W0/copy_q_mmH__mp3.html
Paganini: Variations on "Carnival of Venice"?
That's a quote included in the piece which is 20th century. The composer wrote in a large number of genres.
Schnittke?
Not Schnittke. And for the sake of precision, the composer was born before 1900 but the work is 20th century.
It sounds very Viennese. An Austrian composer?
Not Austrian, but there is a vague Danube connection.
Zoltán Kodály? Háry János?
not Hary Janos and not at all Kodaly.
Dohnanyi?
I used Dohnanyi before, so would wait a while longer before returning there, for this composer you'll go in the opposite direction. I'll put up another clip from the same a bit later if necessary.
Schoenberg got involved in some fairly light-hearted things from time to time - an arrangement of Funiculi funiculà, I recall. Is this Arnie letting his hair down?
not Schoenberg (or Berg or Webern), but possibly as unexpected as those. His regular output would be regarded by many as severe.
and because I'm perversely fond of this, another bit from the same...
http://www.4shared.com/audio/ggIzR4Ba/copy_2__pzz_mmH.html
Hindemith?
HINDEMITH is right! The clips are from the Repertorium für Militärmusik 'Minimax', composed for the final concert of the Donaueschingen Chamber Music Concerts of 1923. They remind me of my high school orchestra, a recording of which I now regret not purchasing. We had tuned up at 8:30 for a music festival, but got on stage at 10:45 and were told to go straight into our selection with no warm-up or re-tuning. Haydn's 'Surprise' Symphony has never sounded like that since.
Well, it was not a great achivement to guess as listener gave us very precise clues but somebody must do it to keep the game on.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/B2Aqnm54/ho_online.html?
This isn't what we're supposed to be guessing, but... OSR/Ansermet?
At first I thought Russian, then something in the harmony sounds English to me.....some kind of showpiece for orchestra?
Quote from: Brian on July 29, 2011, 01:13:09 PM
This isn't what we're supposed to be guessing, but... OSR/Ansermet?
No.
Why do you think so?
Quote from: Amfortas on July 29, 2011, 01:51:18 PM
At first I thought Russian, then something in the harmony sounds English to me...
You were right with one of these ideas.
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..some kind of showpiece for orchestra?
More than 24 minutes lasting showpiece of developing, alternating and mixing themes and motifs in sonata form with slow introduction and epilogue or in form of rondo with slow refrain and two fast episodes. This is beginning of first theme after slow introduction (about 5:13) and this theme (or group of this theme) lasts in exposition about 2:36. The main motif of introduction (and of epilogue and of transition in exposition) is audible in clip about 0:44-0:48.
Alas, this showpiece is very seldom shown because of political censorship.
Quote from: mszczuj on July 29, 2011, 03:49:19 PM
Alas, this showpiece is very seldom shown because of political censorship.
Well political censorship makes me think automatically of Russian....
...Shostakovich?
Quote from: mszczuj on July 29, 2011, 02:01:30 PM
No.
Why do you think so?
As soon as the clip started I thought "Oh! I recognize that orchestral sound/acoustic!" and as it proceeded the instruments all seemed very familiar... but then for some reason (chalk it up to exhaustion, I've just come back from a 120km hike in Spain) my brain's train of thought skidded onto the wrong tracks and I didn't recognize the vintage Sovietness of the sound. Yikes.
Am I right in suspecting that the political censorship isn't Soviet but post-?
Probably I wasn't enough precise.
And now I really don't know how to say more without saying too much...
I named it political censorship because I was trying to look on it from the point of view which I supposed could be the composer's point of view on this question. But this kind of censorship works in the free world as well but is considered to be a moral censorship.
Is it some Ode to Lenin or Stalin? Prokofiev wrote the latter benefactor of humanity such a piece, but this isn't Prokofiev...
The hints points towards the west (USA?). Very warlike music (Honegger)? with some quite Brucknerian brass.
Wagner?
In fact it is russian. But not Soviet. Earlier.
Quote from: mszczuj on July 30, 2011, 12:32:13 AM
In fact it is russian. But not Soviet. Earlier.
Does it celebrate some Russian victory over a Western foe?
Well, my second orchestra/conductor guess was MUCH better than OSR/Ansermet: State Academy SO and Svetlanov, from their Anthology of Russian Music. I knew I'd heard that sound before! So I pulled together my entire Svetlanov library, narrowed it down (according to the very specific clues given) to tracks more than 24 minutes long, did some very pleasant listening to Glazunov and Balakirev, but ultimately discovered that this is Hashish, by Aleksandr Lyapunov.
Quote from: Brian on July 30, 2011, 12:45:39 AM
Well, my second orchestra/conductor guess was MUCH better than OSR/Ansermet: State Academy SO and Svetlanov, from their Anthology of Russian Music. I knew I'd heard that sound before! So I pulled together my entire Svetlanov library, narrowed it down (according to the very specific clues given) to tracks more than 24 minutes long, did some very pleasant listening to Glazunov and Balakirev, but ultimately discovered that this is Hashish, by Aleksandr Lyapunov.
Funny (and correct, I think)!
Quote from: Brian on July 30, 2011, 12:45:39 AM
Hashish, by Aleksandr Lyapunov.
There is a little mistake in this answer. Correct it and go on with a new clip.
I will write more about Hashish after. Now I must leave for two hours.
Quote from: mszczuj on July 30, 2011, 01:07:12 AM
There is a little mistake in this answer. Correct it and go on with a new clip.
I will wrote more about Hashish after. Now I must leave for two hours.
Sergei! What was I thinking. Put down his brother instead. :(
I am listening to the full Hashish right now - looking forward to what you write later about it, as it is a big, maybe slightly too big, but very fun piece.
We have a considerable departure in tone in store for the new mystery clip! (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip8.mp3)
Quote from: Brian on July 30, 2011, 01:41:56 AM
We have a considerable departure in tone in store for the new mystery clip! (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip8.mp3)
You forgot to remove the info from the clip... Now I know. ;D
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on July 30, 2011, 01:49:17 AM
You forgot to remove the info from the clip... Now I know. ;D
:o Curses! Audacity continues to be the bane of my existence!
The file and heading info should be fixed now...
Hello Brian.
Quote from: Brian on July 30, 2011, 01:41:56 AM
We have a considerable departure in tone in store for the new mystery clip! (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip8.mp3)
Doesn't sound familiar. Sounds pretty interesting.
Sounds a little spanish to me. My very first thought during the first listening: Scarlatii played by Belder.
Quote from: Brian on July 30, 2011, 01:21:27 AM
I am listening to the full Hashish right now - looking forward to what you write later about it, as it is a big, maybe slightly too big, but very fun piece.
As far as I know the recording of Svetlanov is the only existing recording of Hashish. The main problem with it is that in fact it is not sure if it does exist any more. The original tapes of 1986 recording disappeared from archives of Melodiya and for CD reissue vinyl rip was made.
The equipment used for it was absolutely unsuitable. In silent fragments you hear some mechanical noise for example. The worse thing is that some scratch filter was used. May be there are scratch filters which don't destroy the sound somwhere - I don't know - but this was not that kind of filter. The sound is dim and dry and have nothing common with brillancy of original vinyl issue. But the worst ist that this track lasts 24:27. On Lp it was unfortunately divided between two sides of discs. These parts lasted 7:29 and 16:29 - in all 23:43!
The only hope is old Olympia OCD129 from 1988. But I'm afraid it is not very easy to find.
If somebody doesn't care too much about multiple scratches there is my own rip (far from perfection of course but I think little more colourful and at least faster) from my vinyl. Lossless in Monkey's Audio compresion.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/gKro_Dxv/Track02.html?
And there is 4 hand piano reduction sheet music:
http://imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/e/e0/IMSLP21516-PMLP49569-Lyapunov_Hashish_Op53.pdf
There are fragments of poem Hashish of Arseny Golenishchev-Kutuzov (friend of Mussorgsky) before the notes as a program. These fragments were read before Svetlanov's recording on original LP . http://www.4shared.com/audio/6GvUJAFE/Track01.html? - if somebody wants to listen to russian recitation.
Sense of these fragments are diffrent than the sense of the whole poem. They ends with statement that hashish experience leads to cognoscence of grief of live and to weeping. The whole poem ends with praise of Allah who gave hashish for unhappy people.
Lyapunov was most faithful pupil of Balakiriev and symhonic poem Tamara of the latter was obviously model for Hashish but I think Lyapinov managed to find his own way in this work.
One of things I like most in Hashish is that it is the "real time" symphonic poem. Not whole life struggles in 10 minutes, not 10 miles night horse riding in 20 seconds. You can interpret what's going on music as strictly musical reflection of that what is going on in mind.
The other is its caleidoscope instrumentation and treating of motifs - again with good justification on program. I like it organic form.
I suppose when listened more than once it begins to work better and doesn't seem too big any more.
It is unbelivable that this work almost unknown. Besides all values of art what a marketing prospects in this title!
Thank you for that very informative post, mszczuj! I am going to download, listen and read along later.
F. COUPERIN for 2 keyboards (Pièce croisée) Le tic-tac-choc from Ordre 18, maybe?
My lips are sealed... Brian, wake up!
Quote from: listener on July 30, 2011, 08:09:51 PM
F. COUPERIN for 2 keyboards (Pièce croisée) Le tic-tac-choc from Ordre 18, maybe?
You're oh so very close! ...It is a Couperin piece for one keyboard; shall we continue or shall I pass the baton?
keep on going, I'm ready for bed here. I've posted several recently and could use a break and some time to get a few more ready before my free trial ends. I have found the converter and editor at nch.com.au to be relatively to work with.
My Couperin holdings are mainly LP sets (Erato = Bladine Verlet (?), Alan Curtis on Vox, Rafael Puyana on Philips) and I'm not going to stay up to polayb play them all. Les Barricades mysterieuses, perhaps=?
Quote from: listener on July 31, 2011, 01:10:21 AM
keep on going, I'm ready for bed here. I've posted several recently and could use a break and some time to get a few more ready before my free trial ends. I have found the converter and editor at nch.com.au to be relatively to work with.
My Couperin holdings are mainly LP sets (Erato = Bladine Verlet (?), Alan Curtis on Vox, Rafael Puyana on Philips) and I'm not going to stay up to polayb play them all. Les Barricades mysterieuses, perhaps=?
Ah - I have a Couperin disc. Threw it on and it is Musete de Taverni. I love it when I hear something I have forgotten about. Saves me the money of having to go out and buy it! :)
Quote from: mc ukrneal on July 31, 2011, 01:21:30 AM
Ah - I have a Couperin disc. Threw it on and it is Musete de Taverni. I love it when I hear something I have forgotten about. Saves me the money of having to go out and buy it! :)
(http://www.wnff.net/Smileys/wnff/icon_thumbup.gif)
If the pianist is Alexandre Tharaud, you heard the same recording I posted!
Well... go on then, ukrneal... :)
Quote from: Brian on July 31, 2011, 01:37:26 AM
(http://www.wnff.net/Smileys/wnff/icon_thumbup.gif)
If the pianist is Alexandre Tharaud, you heard the same recording I posted!
Well... go on then, ukrneal... :)
Same one! I just plum forgot about it. I enjoyed the listen.
Well, I thought I'd throw in something a bit wild and crazy. When I first heard it, i was stunned. Anyway, here it is...http://www.4shared.com/audio/gNy3Yabc/Mystery_Clip_3mcu.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/gNy3Yabc/Mystery_Clip_3mcu.html)
I can't decide if it sounds to me rather hugarian or rather carpatian. But rather archaical in both cases. If I had to shot I would shot hungarian.
Peter Maxwell Davies?
Quote from: mszczuj on July 31, 2011, 01:59:15 PM
I can't decide if it sounds to me rather hugarian or rather carpatian. But rather archaical in both cases. If I had to shot I would shot hungarian.
You are close - in the right neighborhood more or less.
Quote from: listener on July 31, 2011, 02:06:41 PM
Peter Maxwell Davies?
Nope.
I fear without hints, it may be quite difficult (let me know if you want one yet). I have another clip ready to go once people have had a chance to offer some guesses (although let me know if I should post it - you will be amazed again perhaps).
Quote from: mc ukrneal on July 31, 2011, 10:54:50 PM
You are close - in the right neighborhood more or less.
My very first thought was about Polish carpathian mountains.
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I fear without hints, it may be quite difficult (let me know if you want one yet). I have another clip ready to go once people have had a chance to offer some guesses (although let me know if I should post it - you will be amazed again perhaps).
Little hint - why not - if I'm not going in right direction. Too early for another clip, I suppose.
Quote from: mszczuj on July 31, 2011, 11:34:47 PM
My very first thought was about Polish carpathian mountains.
Little hint - why not - if I'm not going in right direction. Too early for another clip, I suppose.
Not Polish, but Austro-Hungarian (though technically from Bohemia I believe). Here's another: Davies was born in the wrong century to have written this.
I am thinking of Telemann, he wrote some very interesting war music of a similar ilk. Not very near the Carpathians though not too far away either.
Quote from: Hattoff on July 31, 2011, 11:42:01 PM
I am thinking of Telemann, he wrote some very interesting war music of a similar ilk. Not very near the Carpathians though not too far away either.
Not Telemann (what an interesting guess). But getting much closer.
Quote from: mc ukrneal on July 31, 2011, 11:39:01 PM
Not Polish, but Austro-Hungarian (though technically from Bohemia I believe). Here's another: Davies was born in the wrong century to have written this.
This description seems appropriate for Krenek.
Quote from: mszczuj on August 01, 2011, 12:10:13 AM
This description seems appropriate for Krenek.
Also born in the wrong century (though place of birth and all would fit well, I admit). Believe it or not, Telemann is much closer (though still not quite there). Here's another clue - was an important composer for the violin.
Krenek was born in 1900. This was still 19th century. Do you mean our composer was born before year 1801?
Quote from: mszczuj on August 01, 2011, 12:31:31 AM
Krenek was born in 1900. This was still 19th century. Do you mean our composer was born before year 1801?
Yup.
Had to look it up but Biber fits nicely.
Biber would have been my answer too, possible the Battaglia - very Ives-ish
Quote from: Hattoff on August 01, 2011, 12:37:06 AM
Had to look it up but Biber fits nicely.
Quote from: listener on August 01, 2011, 12:44:33 AM
Biber would have been my answer too, possible the Battaglia - very Ives-ish
There we go! I was blown away, I must admit, when I first heard this. It was through one of Todd's post a couple of years ago that I first discovered it and it is remarkable. What I played was the second movement from the Battalia a 10. Here is the third movement: http://www.4shared.com/audio/ni9y7zzu/Follow_up_test_item.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/ni9y7zzu/Follow_up_test_item.html). It is from this CD:
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That was a group effort - so either of you are welcome to post the next one.
Biber, another composer to investigate, so much music so little time.
I'll upload a file I prepared earlier:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/lLpMmLRi/easy_peasy.html
I hope you don't mind, Listener?
I'll pass the post, it's bedtime here, will look in later.
Is the Biber Requiem the same as the one in F? I've seen the disc at my local shop and having heard the clip makes me interested.
Quote from: listener on August 01, 2011, 01:04:03 AM
I'll pass the post, it's bedtime here, will look in later.
Is the Biber Requiem the same as the one in F? I've seen the disc at my local shop and having heard the clip makes me interested.
No. This one is in A major. The one in F is (I believe) the only other requiem of his. For those interested, the one I posted is still available at Berkshire for $7.99 (mush cheaper than full price of $18 at amazon).
Quote from: Hattoff on August 01, 2011, 01:01:17 AM
I'll upload a file I prepared earlier:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/lLpMmLRi/easy_peasy.html
I haven't listened music like this for years, well for decades.
"So much music so little time" - like some wise guy said.
My first intuition was Milhaud.
Quote from: mszczuj on August 01, 2011, 01:12:42 AM
I haven't listened music like this for years, well for decades.
"So much music so little time" - like some wise guy said.
My first intuition was Milhaud.
That is why it blew me away the first time I heard it. I would NEVER have guessed it was from the the 17th century and not the 20th century. Fascinating stuff...
Quote from: mc ukrneal on August 01, 2011, 01:18:34 AM
That is why it blew me away the first time I heard it. I would NEVER have guessed it was from the the 17th century and not the 20th century. Fascinating stuff...
But this was my answer to Hattoff's clip.
Quote from: mc ukrneal on August 01, 2011, 01:18:34 AM
That is why it blew me away the first time I heard it. I would NEVER have guessed it was from the the 17th century and not the 20th century. Fascinating stuff...
Well I have cheked the Harnoncourt's recording because I suspected thet this modern sound was Savall's invention. Nope. Harnoncourt sounds even more contemporary.
17th century music is the great ocean of surprises.
Quote from: mszczuj on August 01, 2011, 01:22:33 AM
But this was my answer to Hattoff's clip.
Ooops! Sorry! :o :P
Hattoff's clip - it's not unlike Arthur Bliss, though more lightly scored.
Milhaud, that is an extraordinarily good first hit, but it's not him.
Hi Johan,
It's not Bliss, mszczuj is very close.
Quote from: Hattoff on August 01, 2011, 02:12:22 AM
Hi Johan,
It's not Bliss, mszczuj is very close.
Hi, Steve! It must be another member of Les Six then... If so, another may hazard a guess, I have too little time today!
If Milhaud is close....
I will guess Poulenc
It is very close but it's not a member of Les Six. He's much influenced by them though.
It actually sounds American to me....Virgil Thomson?
Quote from: Amfortas on August 01, 2011, 02:41:45 AM
It actually sounds American to me.
Yes, that why I said Milhaud.
But the American music is almost terra incognita for me.
Copland seems to me very possible.
You were nearly there with Milhaud, right country, right century but a bit later.
Did anybody here shoted with Jean Francaix some time ago?
I cannot tell a lie, it was me ;D
I am quite keen on the chap. Well crafted, orchestrated and free from angst which can be a relief sometimes.
Well done.
I can't really expect anyone to guess the work.
It's, Jean Françaix (1912-1997)
Ballet, Les malheurs de Sophie, Tableau 1 No 1: Allegro vivo
http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dc.asp?dc=D_CDA67384&vw=dc
Over to mszczuj for the next clip.
Since we seem to have members in almost all 24 time zones, I think my suggestion that allowing 36 hours for resonses bears repeating. That allows some catch-up time for those who can't access the board every day, and gives regular puzzle setters some breathing time.
(Not a complaint, I'm retired with lots of potential free time .)
Quote from: listener on August 01, 2011, 11:36:02 AM
Since we seem to have members in almost all 24 time zones, I think my suggestion that allowing 36 hours for resonses bears repeating. That allows some catch-up time for those who can't access the board every day, and gives regular puzzle setters some breathing time.
(Not a complaint, I'm retired with lots of potential free time .)
Good idea Listener. I'm in the US, and have often missed rounds that took place while I was asleep (or as close as I ever get to sleep) :D
http://www.4shared.com/audio/20RhAed8/oyoyo-yoyoyo.html?
Probably it is obvious for some of you.
I want to please all you who just do know it to let shot them who can't recognize it.
But of course if you want you can remark your knowledge.
Quote from: listener on August 01, 2011, 11:36:02 AM
Since we seem to have members in almost all 24 time zones, I think my suggestion that allowing 36 hours for resonses bears repeating. That allows some catch-up time for those who can't access the board every day, and gives regular puzzle setters some breathing time.
I'm against. I prefer to lose some opportunity than wait. So why not wait 36 hours after each hint? I prefer to participate in only three games of seven in three days than play in both games in the same time.
Sounds a lot like Tchaikovsky to me, then at the end of the clip I thought of someone like Goldmark
Quote from: Amfortas on August 02, 2011, 03:04:50 AM
Sounds a lot like Tchaikovsky to me, then at the end of the clip I thought of someone like Goldmark
Neither Tchaikovsky nor Goldmark. But of course these are good shots. First name was one of these I expected. And this is in no way coincidence that Tchaikovsky is one to be expected I suppose.
I know to little about Goldmark to say something interesting.
Quote from: mszczuj on August 02, 2011, 03:31:37 AM
Neither Tchaikovsky nor Goldmark. But of course these are good shots. First name was one of these I expected. And this is in no way coincidence that Tchaikovsky is one to be expected I suppose.
I know to little about Goldmark to say something interesting.
Just the way the wind writing sound at end of clip, like central European in 19th C
are we looking for one of, maybe, nine symphonies, or five composers?
Is it a Finn like Madetoja?
Quote from: listener on August 03, 2011, 11:14:25 AM
are we looking for one of, maybe, nine symphonies
No answer to this yet, as it would remove 50 percent of orchestral music.
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or five composers?
No, as far as I understand your question.
Well, this is composer of symphonies. As far as I know he create another important form of orchestral music.
Quote from: Amfortas on August 02, 2011, 04:50:25 AM
Just the way the wind writing sound at end of clip, like central European in 19th C
What you exactly mean by "central'?
But it is good word "central'. I would use it to our composer with great satisfaction. But I'm afraid it would be only confuse you.
Quote from: mszczuj on August 03, 2011, 02:54:19 PM
Well, this is composer of symphonies. As far as I know he create another important form of orchestral music.
Hmm, Paul Hindemith appears to have written the first concerto for orchestra. Is this one of his early works?
Saint-Saëns, who wrote the first film score (for L'assassinat du Duc de Guise) ?
Quote from: listener on August 04, 2011, 12:21:49 AM
Saint-Saëns, who wrote the first film score (for L'assassinat du Duc de Guise) ?
No.
Quote from: Brian on August 03, 2011, 11:54:30 PM
Hmm, Paul Hindemith appears to have written the first concerto for orchestra. Is this one of his early works?
No.
Our clip is from a symphony. This symphony was a really great succes. I suppose it could be regarded as a very important work in the history of the genre as it was a really important trendsetter.
Could be but in fact it is not so popular as it should be.
Franz Liszt, the inventor of the symphonic poem?
Quote from: Hattoff on August 04, 2011, 01:18:27 AM
Franz Liszt, the inventor of the symphonic poem?
Good shot. But not him
Antonín Dvořák ?
Quote from: Amfortas on August 04, 2011, 02:22:40 AM
Antonín Dvořák ?
This is another shot I was expected. When I listen to our composer music I thought very often: oh it sounds like x or it sounds like y.
As x and y acts almost all popular composers who lived in an era of The Mystery One. Tchaikovsky and Dvorak belong to most frequent x-es.
The funny thing about The Mystery Composer is that though x is often somone older than The Mystery One, even more often it is someone younger.
I suppose it could be Joachim Raff, though I have no idea what type of symphonic music he might have invented. The sound-world is a pretty good match and there are plenty of symphonies there.
Any other composers from the time of Dvorak or Tchaikovsky whose symphonies might be 'a really important trendsetter' I simply don't know. Unless...
EDIT: No, it is not Glinka
How about Kalinnikov?
Quote from: Amfortas on August 04, 2011, 04:40:18 AM
How about Kalinnikov?
It's definitely not his First - but I don't see how he could be a 'trend-setter'...
Quote from: Brian on August 04, 2011, 04:35:53 AM
I suppose it could be Joachim Raff, though I have no idea what type of symphonic music he might have invented. The sound-world is a pretty good match and there are plenty of symphonies there.
Yes. You are right. It is Raff. He created symphonic suite which has nothing common with baroque suite.
It is secoind theme and beginning of third theme of 1st part of 1st symphony.
[asin]B001UL3ZWS[/asin]
Or better:
[asin]B002QV20VS[/asin]
I really recomand you to try it to discover that you were cheated by history of music all your life.
May be I will write something more about his symphonies but now I'm really exhausted by writing some impossible elaborates in GMG Favorite threads
Congrats, Brian. I had been trying to think of that composers's name I remember an old Nonesuch LP of the "Lenore" Symphony (?)
I have and very much enjoy Raff's Symphony No 4 from that Tudor series - might have even used the scherzo from that symphony in this game if mszczuj had not beaten me to it! The full box set has been on my wish-list for quite some time.
I'm afraid this one is very easy indeed. (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip9.mp3) Hopefully it will attract someone who hasn't won before. :)
Sounds like....John Adams?
Quote from: Brian on August 04, 2011, 05:08:08 AM
I have and very much enjoy Raff's Symphony No 4 from that Tudor series - might have even used the scherzo from that symphony in this game if mszczuj had not beaten me to it!
I was thinking of using loud theme from finale of No.4, theme from Scherzo of No.5. of Scherzo of No.6 and of Finale of No.3 (this is one of the best symphonic movements I ever heard). I suppose there is more than twenty themes which are perfectly suitable for this purpose in Raff Symphonies. He was regarded as best symphony composer in 1860-s and one of the best in 1870-s. And shortly after his dead he was absolutely out of repertoire. In my opinion he created model of symphony dominating in second half of 19th century. Probably all symphony composers of this time was influencend by him - I'm sure Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, Bruckner and Mahler were. But I'm in the very beginning of my raffian way and I'm sure i will find more connections. He was probably first who connected independent movements of symphony in groups of two - like Mahler did after him.
I'm really glad I've discover this composer because I was almost sure I would never have again so much fun from listening symphonies like I had when I was young newbie to the classical music. But I have it now. And the whole cycle is inbelivable - I especially like nos 2-6 at present
I recognised the clip straight away, nice one. But I've hogged this thread enough recently. I'll come back tomorrow, if no one's got it by then :o
It's Poulenc's Concerto for 2 Pianos & Orchestra in D minor: Allegro ma non troppo.
A lovely work.
Can Amfortas or someone upload something of their own choice? I have nothing prepared at the moment :(.
I have managed to put something together at last.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/y7FhSrCq/cricket.html
Got it, but will give someone else a chance.
Lovely piece, heard it in London some years ago and it stayed in my memory while the rest of the programme vanished. Nice string sound in this recording.
My guess: A pretty clarinet concerto by....Finzi?
Hi Amfortas,
Yes, and a pretty answer too.
It's from the Naxos recording, Howard Griffiths and the Northern Sinfonia.
It's certainly your turn now.
Quote from: Hattoff on August 07, 2011, 06:26:59 AM
Hi Amfortas,
Yes, and a pretty answer too.
It's from the Naxos recording, Howard Griffiths and the Northern Sinfonia.
It's certainly your turn now.
You sort of clued me in by mentioning hearing it London....
Here's the next Mystery Clip....
http://www.4shared.com/audio/hH_kGPCn/Mystery_7_August.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/hH_kGPCn/Mystery_7_August.html)
reminds me of a piano concerto by RUTAVAARA, or it was recorded at an outdoor festival somewhere.
Quote from: listener on August 07, 2011, 09:45:37 AM
reminds me of a piano concerto by RUTAVAARA, or it was recorded at an outdoor festival somewhere.
I can see why it reminds you of that work, but that's not it. It was recorded in a concert hall.
If not Rautavaara may be Kalevi Aho?
Quote from: mszczuj on August 07, 2011, 02:04:11 PM
If not Rautavaara may be Kalevi Aho?
Not Aho either
Go farther south on the globe
cor anglais, but surely not Donizetti or Wolf-Ferrari... maybe 5 questions would get me closer?
Quote from: listener on August 08, 2011, 01:03:04 AM
cor anglais, but surely not Donizetti or Wolf-Ferrari... maybe 5 questions would get me closer?
Not European. A major composer of his country.
He is in the middle-ground of fame. A name known to most of us on this board, not so much to the general public.
He is prolific, but much of his music is not well known.
This piece is meant to evoke a place, you may not know the place, but you may figure it out if you listen again.
Quote from: Amfortas on August 08, 2011, 02:02:38 AM
Not European. A major composer of his country.
He is in the middle-ground of fame. A name known to most of us on this board, not so much to the general public.
He is prolific, but much of his music is not well known.
This piece is meant to evoke a place, you may not know the place, but you may figure it out if you listen again.
So let me try to shot with name of composer I've never listened to but I have been thinking this is high time to do it for about twenty years:
Alberto Ginastera?
Quote from: mszczuj on August 08, 2011, 02:34:09 AM
So let me try to shot with name of composer I've never listened to but I have been thinking this is high time to do it for about twenty years:
Alberto Ginastera?
Not a bad guess, but this composer is alive and currently active
http://www.4shared.com/audio/hH_kGPCn/Mystery_7_August.html
keeping the thread alive...
Murray Schafer - North - White? (but I don't hear a snowmobile)
PS V-ASKS = 5 questions
Quote from: listener on August 08, 2011, 11:39:31 AM
http://www.4shared.com/audio/hH_kGPCn/Mystery_7_August.html
keeping the thread alive...
Murray Schafer - North - White? (but I don't hear a snowmobile)
PS V-ASKS = 5 questions
Murray Schafer? Never heard of him, sorry. Not Vasks either...
This composer is identified somewhat with nationalism in his country. He composes in mostly all genres. It's a country that should be thought of more often in terms of ''classical'' music
Quote from: Amfortas on August 08, 2011, 02:58:01 AM
Not a bad guess, but this composer is alive and currently active
Osvaldo Golijov.
Quote from: mszczuj on August 08, 2011, 12:06:04 PM
Osvaldo Golijov.
Does it sound like Golijov? I don't know his music. It's not him.
Quote from: Amfortas on August 08, 2011, 12:44:05 PM
Does it sound like Golijov?
Absolutely not like this only piece I've ever heard. (Ainadamar)
Another clue: the piece is named for a geographical location
Quote from: Hattoff on August 06, 2011, 12:13:48 AM
It's Poulenc's Concerto for 2 Pianos & Orchestra in D minor: Allegro ma non troppo.
A lovely work.
Can Amfortas or someone upload something of their own choice? I have nothing prepared at the moment :(.
Oh goodness, I forgot to mention the performers!
Pianists Marian Lapsansky and Jan Simon
Prague Radio Symphony Orchestra / Jan Kucera
live broadcast tape
Amfortas: is this a composer from Oceania?
Quote from: Brian on August 09, 2011, 10:27:10 AM
Amfortas: is this a composer from Oceania?
You're getting warm
Quote from: Amfortas on August 09, 2011, 10:36:10 AM
You're getting warm
(I'm including Australia in Oceania.)
Japan perhaps?
Quote from: Brian on August 09, 2011, 10:41:12 AM
(I'm including Australia in Oceania.)
Japan perhaps?
Well you mentioned
Australia, so you're halfway there: who is the composer? It's one of his best-known works
Peter Sculthorpe: Kakadu?
I've actually got it on Naxos but obviosly don't know it well or I would have got it earlier. I am mightily impressed by Earth Cry.
Do you want to put up another? Again, I haven't prepared a clip and am going to bed, too much rioting for me.
Quote from: Hattoff on August 09, 2011, 12:56:07 PM
Peter Sculthorpe: Kakadu?
I've actually got it on Naxos but obviosly don't know it well or I would have got it earlier. I am mightily impressed by Earth Cry.
Do you want to put up another? Again, I haven't prepared a clip and am going to bed, too much rioting for me.
Well done, Hatoff. It's quite a lively piece, I chose the quiet middle section to throw people off....
I don't want to be a hog, so here is one that should be easy....
Please identify the work if possible:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/8zA4610t/Mystery_for_9_Aug.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/8zA4610t/Mystery_for_9_Aug.html)
I can't believe there are no guesses yet, this one should be fairly easy....
http://www.4shared.com/audio/8zA4610t/Mystery_for_9_Aug.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/8zA4610t/Mystery_for_9_Aug.html)
Not recognising your clip, I find it harder to work out the composer from very slow music :'(
Sounds a bit scandinavian?
Quote from: Hattoff on August 11, 2011, 06:05:34 AM
Sounds a bit scandinavian?
Sounds British to me. The kind Sara likes. ;D
Clue: This is a very well-known composer
Rachmaninov, The Bells.
Quote from: Amfortas on August 11, 2011, 06:36:02 AM
Ding! ;D
Your turn
Let me think... ::)
http://www.4shared.com/audio/ISu85IJJ/Mystery_music_4.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/ISu85IJJ/Mystery_music_4.html)
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on August 11, 2011, 06:29:25 AM
Rachmaninov, The Bells.
Wow! Didn't sound like Rach. One of the pieces of his I had never heard before.
And what's with this huge cor anglais solo kick? Hilarious ;D
Quote from: Brian on August 11, 2011, 06:52:02 AM
Wow! Didn't sound like Rach. One of the pieces of his I had never heard before.
And what's with this huge cor anglais solo kick? Hilarious ;D
:D 'The Bells' is a flat-out masterpiece, really worth getting to know. It stays in my mind for days after hearing it.
Funny, I never realized the cor anglais thing until now :o
Quote from: Amfortas on August 11, 2011, 06:57:58 AM
:D 'The Bells' is a flat-out masterpiece, really worth getting to know. It stays in my mind for days after hearing it.
Funny, I never realized the cor anglais thing until now :o
Agreed. And that opening of the final movement is one of the most haunting things Rachmaninov ever did.
Blimey, I should have known the Rachers and I should know johan's clip. My mind is going (gone).
Quote from: Hattoff on August 11, 2011, 07:49:35 AM
Blimey, I should have known the Rachers and I should know johan's clip. My mind is going (gone).
Yes, you should, and it has. ;)
I know who it is, I'm trying to find what it is......fun, fun, fun.
Confession time, I am not very good at this game. Taking one minute out of a piece, even if by my lights, I deem that I know it well, can lead me nowhere! I collect composers rather than cds, musicians or conductors and when I like said composer I try to collect everything he/she has written which means that even with my favourites, if you post up just one minute of music I am spoilt for choice which has happened here.
I know the clip is by Havergal Brian but I cannot pin it down. At first I thought, one of the English Suites, then the Gothic, then symphonies 6-9 and then sundry other works. I listened to them all but I either am wrong or missed it in a moment of inattention.
Are my excuses valid? or am I a bit thick? After all my background is of the rioting classes ;D
I now need someone, Johan or anyone, to put me out of my misery. What is it?
Doctor Herrenberg sailing in... Yes, it is Havergal Brian. Why not smuggle in my favourite composer for a change? The beautiful snippet is from The Tigers, the opening of 'Green Pastures', from the Luxembourg recording of the Symphonic Dances...
Was there a clip posted? I don't see it :-[
Quote from: Amfortas on August 12, 2011, 04:16:00 AM
Was there a clip posted? I don't see it :-[
See #1464...
Quote from: Hattoff on August 12, 2011, 12:26:45 AM
I know the clip is by Havergal Brian but I cannot pin it down. At first I thought, one of the English Suites, then the Gothic, then symphonies 6-9 and then sundry other works. I listened to them all but I either am wrong or missed it in a moment of inattention.
For my personal pleasure and as a memory check, could you post a 30 second clip? I always boast about remembering everything Brianic... ;)
Quote from: Amfortas on August 12, 2011, 04:56:47 AM
Oh, I did not notice it at bottom of that post
I should have signposted it... Still, no-one would have guessed it, even a Brianite like Hattoff was stumped!
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on August 12, 2011, 04:58:38 AM
I should have signposted it... Still, no-one would have guessed it, even a Brianite like Hattoff was stumped!
No problem. So what's next?
Hattoff guessed the composer, so it's his turn... But if you like, you could put up something, too, in the meantime!
Ok here is another very easy one, from a well-known work:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/sN1sfs7w/Mystery_28_July.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/sN1sfs7w/Mystery_28_July.html)
It's indeed easy... Brian would like this a lot...
OK. Janacek, Sinfonietta.
Bah, Johan can type quicker than me! I even had a new piece ready, something even weirder:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/jnphd1eg/mystery1208.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/jnphd1eg/mystery1208.html)
Quote from: DaveF on August 12, 2011, 07:57:21 AM
Bah, Johan can type quicker than me! I even had a new piece ready, something even weirder:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/jnphd1eg/mystery1208.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/jnphd1eg/mystery1208.html)
You're welcome!!!
That is indeed weirder, Dave... It sounds like contemporary, jazz-influenced music
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on August 12, 2011, 07:50:37 AM
It's indeed easy... Brian would like this a lot...
That's what I get for not checking this thread for an hour! I got it in 3 seconds. ;D
New clip sounds like.....John Zorn?
To lazy to check on LP, I didn't like it too much and didn't listened to often, so don't you laugh at me if I'm wrong:
Schnittke: Concerto grosso No.2
Ha ha ha ha ha, completely wrong! No, seriously, the piece may be weird, but the composer isn't - even less weird than Schnittke, in my opinion. One of the Great and Good of the 20th century, in fact.
DF
My guess - Tippett?!
You got it! The Suite from New Year - specifically the movement entitled The Shaman Dance. Over to you, Johan...
Okay. I am going to look for something...
Okay, here's the new one:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/_bWYcB_L/Mystery_music_5.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/_bWYcB_L/Mystery_music_5.html)
Quote from: DaveF on August 12, 2011, 01:45:33 PM
Ha ha ha ha ha, completely wrong!
The only thing I remember from Concerto grosso no.2 of Schnittke is that there is electric guitar and electric bass guitar in it and that it is absolutely worst used electric guitar I ever heard.
I really love the Six Orchestral Pieces from The Tigers and I still didn't get it! My brian is addled.
Johan, this one's for you to guess.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/sypjzHKl/HB_enigma.html
I think I recognise your latest clip, here we go again, but I can't place it.
Second movement, Third Symphony...
Johan,
That is impressive, I chose a clip with no obvious cues and you still got it!
I nominate you as the brian of Britain (Netherlands) :)
Let me hear a second enigma, and if I know that one as well, I'll wear my title with pride... ;D
Okay Johan,
This one's for the world championship and, I suspect, the universal as well.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/wCF7F5an/championship_clip.html
Symphony No. 29.
You are too good :o
It's official, you are the champion of champions.
8)
Symphony 29 by Havergal Brian is that what it was? I know it ain't Mozart
So post another clip already! ;D
No, my clip is still out there - those Brian clips by Hattoff were just for me...
http://www.4shared.com/audio/_bWYcB_L/Mystery_music_5.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/_bWYcB_L/Mystery_music_5.html)
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on August 13, 2011, 09:05:50 AM
No, my clip is still out there - those Brian clips by Hattoff were just for me...
http://www.4shared.com/audio/_bWYcB_L/Mystery_music_5.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/_bWYcB_L/Mystery_music_5.html)
Right, yours is that one with piano, blues-tinged piece. By the way, there is a tag still visible on it for "blues" :D
Just listened again, I love the orchestration, not the piano writing so much.....can't imagine what it is
As the clip is already a day old, I'll offer one hint - it was written in the (very) late 1930s.
Quote from: Amfortas on August 13, 2011, 10:44:36 AM
Right, yours is that one with piano, blues-tinged piece. By the way, there is a tag still visible on it for "blues" :D
Just listened again, I love the orchestration, not the piano writing so much.....can't imagine what it is
Audacity's software automatically tags everything "blues." I think all my clips were blues too. :)
Quote from: Brian on August 13, 2011, 03:57:10 PM
Audacity's software automatically tags everything "blues." I think all my clips were blues too. :)
:D By the way, there is a great program called "Tag & Rename" that lets you change tags on any music file (even FLAC), or remove all of them as you see fit.
...so what's your guess Brian?
guessing: The Piano Concerto by Arthut BLISS?
Nope. Nationality is right, though.
Constant Lambert?
No. The composer is far better known.
One of the Rawsthornes?
The composer is a household name to everyone with a knowledge of 20th century music. I personally have only come to appreciate him recently...
Is it by Britten from Britain?
The Indian Subcontinent comes to the rescue... ! Indeed - Britten, 'Young Apollo' (1939), for string orchestra and piano.
Your turn!
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on August 14, 2011, 05:10:47 AM
Your turn!
Uh oh. Could I postpone my clip for some other date while listener or Amfortas post one in the meanwhile? I was never really prepared, you know... just swooped in, looked at the wrong guesses and the clues and got the correct answer. ;D
Quote from: Opus106 on August 14, 2011, 05:15:58 AM
Uh oh. Could I postpone my clip for some other date while listener or Amfortas post one in the meanwhile? I was never really prepared, you know... just swooped in, looked at the wrong guesses and the clues and got the correct answer. ;D
You're pardoned. 8) Any takers?
Is there some sort of clause where I can revoke the requested delay? ;D
http://www.4shared.com/embed/737559427/b5d2fa00
Quote from: Opus106 on August 14, 2011, 05:49:24 AM
Is there some sort of clause where I can revoke the requested delay? ;D
http://www.4shared.com/embed/737559427/b5d2fa00
No. Alas. ;D
:) As for the Britten, that was a good one. I know his Piano Concerto so I ruled him out and completely forgot about that other piece :-X
IF Opus106's clip is still valid: I can't guess it, but it's rather a beautiful excerpt ;D
Just joking... :D Guess guess!!
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on August 14, 2011, 05:58:07 AM
Just joking... :D Guess guess!!
Ok, only I can't! ???
Oh alright! :D
The orchestration sounds like Hindemith a bit to me, but less congested....maybe one of his Kammermusiken?
Nein.
Sounds like Martinu? But, I can't identify the clip, I'm spoilt for choice and it seems that I have Alzheimers.
I know Young Apollo but, again, couldn't think what it was >:(
Quote from: Hattoff on August 14, 2011, 06:38:06 AM
Sounds like Martinu?
It is indeed Martinu! Does anyone want to have a go at the name of piece or shall I out it now?
Quote from: Opus106 on August 14, 2011, 08:30:47 AM
It is indeed, Martinu! Does anyone want to have a go at the name of piece or shall I out it now?
Wow, I am a dismal failure in this game. I thought I knew Martinu, even wrote a huge paper on his Epic of Gilgamesh.... :-\
Your clip doesn't sound like one of the symphonies to me, but of course I could be wrong ;D
Quote from: Amfortas on August 14, 2011, 08:35:13 AM
Your clip doesn't sound like one of the symphonies to me, but of course I could be wrong ;D
It's the opening of his oboe concerto. I heard this piece for the first time just yesterday, and it was the first thing that came to mind once it was my turn to post. I limited the clip to the rather arbitrary 55-second mark because within a few seconds was the soloist's entrance. :) You're up, Hattoff.
Hats off to Hattoff! Mr Memory returns!
The tablets do work ???
Here's the next one.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/NHwgq0t5/a_riot.html
I haven't got that Martinu work but it's hard to forget his soundworld :D
Well, it sounds like the Finale of a tasteful Violin Concerto. Whose, I don't know.
Sarasate?
It's not quite a violin concerto and it's not Sarasate. :'(
I think guessing the composer will turn out to be good enough though.
Quote from: Opus106 on August 14, 2011, 08:41:18 AM
It's the opening of his oboe concerto. I heard this piece for the first time just yesterday, and it was the first thing that came to mind once it was my turn to post.
I have the rare Philips CD of this with Honegger and Martin on it. And I remember liking the Martinu as well
Quote from: Amfortas on August 14, 2011, 11:04:20 AM
I have the rare Philips CD of this with Honegger and Martin on it. And I remember liking the Martinu as well
And, BTW, the music in the clip was performed by the Netherlands Radio Symphony conducted by Gabriel Chmura. And if I had included the oboe parts, that would have been played by Pauline Oostenrijk. It's from a concert that took place at the Concertgebow in 1998.
Re: Hattoff's clip, it does sound like something that I may have listened to before -- a lot of mid-late romantic works for violin and orchestra were a staple in my listening a few years ago.
Methinks the composer is not good enough an orchestrator to be Sarasate, or Hubay. Benjamin Godard?
You have a good point there although I don't think the recording helps,
It's not Godard.
Eveyone needs to go further northish.
Quote from: Hattoff on August 14, 2011, 09:30:19 PM
You have a good point there although I don't think the recording helps,
It's not Godard.
Eveyone needs to go further northish.
Well that suggests Sinding, who has at least three works for violin and orchestra that aren't concertos (a romance, a legende, a suite) though I haven't heard them.
Not Sinding. Go east from there.
Is it the Polish composer Lipinski? He wrote several very attractive Violin Concertos. If I'm correct, I won't have time to upload!!
No, not Lipinski.
In some ways I wish I hadn't put this clip up, so here's a fun clue.
If you ask me how do I find this composer on my computer?
The answer is, I cue "Czar" when playing.
Apologies to all, that's really bad.
Glinka?!?!?!
Czar - das?
Tubin Suite of Estonian Dances?
It's a cryptic crossword style clue. Look for an anagram :)
Quote from: Hattoff on August 15, 2011, 09:05:15 AM
It's a cryptic crossword style clue. Look for an anagram :)
César Cui
Sarge
If I won, here's the next mystery clip. If I didn't win...well, listen anyway ;D
http://www.4shared.com/audio/OR4UrWA5/clipmystery_-_Kopie_2.html
I'm off to supper.
Sarge
Hehe. I intended to parse it that way, but I was already stuck with the grid in today's paper and didn't bother about it thereafter. :( ;D I don't remember hearing the Cui.
And incidentally, I was just reading a blog post (http://telescoper.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/the-inexorable-decline-of-english-culture/) about a cryptic crossword involving clues about classical music.
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on August 15, 2011, 10:01:00 AM
If I won, here's the next mystery clip. If I didn't win...well, listen anyway ;D
http://www.4shared.com/audio/OR4UrWA5/clipmystery_-_Kopie_2.html
I'm off to supper.
Sarge
Well, the librettist's name was easy enough to figure out, but I honestly have no idea who has set that poem, and Naxos Music Library's librettist database has got only five songs with his lyrics, none the right ones. A composer named B.E. Katona has set that poem to music but his version doesn't appear to be recorded...
I'm off to supper too. Only, I still need to cook it!
Sarge got it 8)
Cui gets a lot of bad press without anyone hearing a note of his music. He's not "great" but he is tuneful in a Borodiny way. The clip was from his Suite Concertante for violin & orchestra Op 25.
Opus106, I was doing the crossword this morning when the anagram popped into my head and it seemed a shame to waste it :)
And, to be fair, that blogged mistake you posted was in the Grauniad, what does one expect? :P
I like the clip. Leonard Bernstein?
Quote from: Hattoff on August 15, 2011, 10:36:47 AM
I like the clip. Leonard Bernstein?
My first thought too, but then I got distracted by trawling through databases trying to find settings of the poem... if it is Bernstein that's very cool.
Quote from: Brian on August 15, 2011, 10:22:37 AM
I'm off to supper too. Only, I still need to cook it!
I did the cooking too. Prawns, bell peppers, onions, tomatoes, garlic in olive oil and spices, baked in the oven. Quick and easy, but very tasty.
Quote from: Hattoff on August 15, 2011, 10:36:47 AM
I like the clip. Leonard Bernstein?
Not Bernstein but it is by a composer of the second half of the 20th century.
Sarge
Quote from: Brian on August 15, 2011, 10:22:37 AM
Well, the librettist's name was easy enough to figure out...
Good ear, Brian. I deliberately chose a section of the work where I thought the words most obscured.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on August 15, 2011, 10:57:37 AM
Good ear, Brian. I deliberately chose a section of the work where I thought the words most obscured.
Sarge
It did take a couple of plays. But it also didn't help. ;D
This isn't Andrew Lloyd Webber is it? There is that famous Requiem, I confess I never listened to it. My hearing won't let me distinguish the text, or even the language but I'm guessing it's in English
Quote from: Amfortas on August 15, 2011, 12:53:32 PM
This isn't Andrew Lloyd Webber is it? There is that famous Requiem, I confess I never listened to it. My hearing won't let me distinguish the text, or even the language but I'm guessing it's in English
It is in English but not Webber. The composer is American who wrote a series of works inspired by two famous books by an eccentric 19th century English author.
Sarge
obvious clue, if I've got the right one
David del Tredici, one of the (several?) Alice cycles ?
Quote from: listener on August 15, 2011, 01:24:32 PM
obvious clue, if I've got the right one
David del Tredici, one of the (several?) Alice cycles ?
We have a winner. The clip is from the eighth and final section of David Del Tredici's
Final Alice, performed by Barbara Hendricks, Solti and the Chicago Symphony.
(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/web/finalalice.jpg)
For anyone interested in hearing the final section complete:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/SOXx740d/08-del_Tredici_-_Final_Alice_-.html
The text, found in
Through the Looking Glass, is Lewis Carrol's acrostic poem on the real Alice's name (Alice Pleasance Liddell):
A boat beneath a sunny sky,
Lingering onward dreamily
In an evening of July —
Children three that nestle near,
Eager eye and willing ear,
Pleased a simple tale to hear —
Long has paled that sunny sky:
Echoes fade and memories die:
Autumn frosts have slain July.
Still she haunts me, phantomwise,
Alice moving under skies
Never seen by waking eyes.
Children yet, the tale to hear,
Eager eye and willing ear,
Lovingly shall nestle near.
In a Wonderland they lie,
Dreaming as the days go by,
Dreaming as the summers die:
Ever drifting down the stream —
Lingering in the golden gleam —
Life, what is it but a dream?
That did not sound like it was in English!
http://www.4shared.com/audio/D09gO5Jp/01_Track_1.html
This IS NOT ANOTHER DOHNANYI! But it is an arrangement, sort of, and there is something hiding behind it.
I'll leave it for a few hours to see if there anyone actually knows the piece.
Dang it, Sarge! I was searching for stuff outside the purview of 'Alice' because at least a few of those verses appeared separately from the Wonderland stories, in the same volume as Snark. Looks like I officially outsmarted myself. >:(
Quote from: listener on August 15, 2011, 01:39:28 PM
This IS NOT ANOTHER DOHNANYI! But it is an arrangement, sort of, and there is something hiding behind it.
Love it...don't know it....not even a clue >:(
Sarge
Quote from: Brian on August 15, 2011, 01:50:12 PM
Dang it, Sarge! I was searching for stuff outside the purview of 'Alice' because at least a few of those verses appeared separately from the Wonderland stories, in the same volume as Snark.
Did not know that. I own
The Annotated Snark but the "Snark" is the only poem in the book.
Sarge
Quote from: listener on August 15, 2011, 01:39:28 PM
That did not sound like it was in English!
http://www.4shared.com/audio/D09gO5Jp/01_Track_1.html
This IS NOT ANOTHER DOHNANYI! But it is an arrangement, sort of, and there is something hiding behind it.
I'll leave it for a few hours to see if there anyone actually knows the piece.
Twinkle, twinkle little star. 20th century. Shostakovichian.
20th century yes.
Very nice clip.
Strange question; is it anything to do with Bartok? ie, not as composer.
Nothing at all to do with Bartok.
Getting on to 12 hours, our GMT and similarly located members may start working on this. He wrote five pieces for the same reason as this one. Nice tune, isn't it?
hint time:
the original tune dates from 1800 - 1,
the current player could have played the original version, the dedicatee could not have played this arrangement.
Franz Schmidt: Concertante Variations on a Theme of Beethoven, for piano (lh) and orchestra?
Britten: Diversions?
Quote from: Opus106 on August 16, 2011, 11:15:24 AM
Franz Schmidt: Concertante Variations on a Theme of Beethoven, for piano (lh) and orchestra?
you got it!
from this disc.. The other work on the disc is Schmidt's Piano Concerto 2, also for left hand. Now I can put it in my listening post without giving away the answer.
The theme is from Beethoven's Sonata for violin and piano op.24 - the 'Spring' sonata
I was surprised that it was not recognized, and intrigued at the thought of Beethoven's response to it being 'Twinkle, twinkle little star'.
The 2-hand arrangement is by Friedrich Wührer.
Quote from: listener on August 16, 2011, 11:34:22 AM
you got it!
from this disc.. now I can put uit in my listening post without giving away the answer.
Glad that I could relieve you of your self-imposed embargo. ;D I, however, am ready to go sleep and meet you all again many hours later. I therefore invite the first person ready with a clip to continue the game. :)
this is ready and really short, and should not stay up long.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/ogiSmWR4/vvvb_copy.html
I know this, it's from some ballet.... :-X :-\
The Three-Cornered Hat? (de Falla)
Quote from: Amfortas on August 16, 2011, 12:51:38 PM
The Three-Cornered Hat? (de Falla)
Yep, you got it. :) Your turn!
Or maybe I should wait for listener to say so ;D
Quote from: Amfortas on August 16, 2011, 12:51:38 PM
The Three-Cornered Hat? (de Falla)
yes! The Beethoven 'Fate knocks at the door' coincides with the arrival of the resident magistrate in the evening to try to seduce the miller's wife. A very apt quotation.
Go ahead.
Here we go---
Famous composer, not so famous work
http://www.4shared.com/audio/dHsdktUN/What_is_this__16_Aug.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/dHsdktUN/What_is_this__16_Aug.html)
Just bumping the new clip, since we've started a new page:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/dHsdktUN/What_is_this__16_Aug.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/dHsdktUN/What_is_this__16_Aug.html)
Quote from: Amfortas on August 16, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
Just bumping the new clip, since we've started a new page:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/dHsdktUN/What_is_this__16_Aug.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/dHsdktUN/What_is_this__16_Aug.html)
It sounds absolutely terrific and whatever it is, I'm going to hunt myself a recording. Bits seem painfully familiar, as if I know it already, but the second half is totally new to me. Did (s)he write something else a lot like this?
Quote from: Brian on August 16, 2011, 02:16:04 PM
It sounds absolutely terrific and whatever it is, I'm going to hunt myself a recording. Bits seem painfully familiar, as if I know it already, but the second half is totally new to me. Did (s)he write something else a lot like this?
Glad you like it, it's a terrifically atmospheric piece. Yes the composer has other works in this genre.
bump
The horns sound Russian, the music echoes Dukas, maybe ROUSSEL ?
Quote from: listener on August 17, 2011, 07:06:19 PM
bump
The horns sound Russian, the music echoes Dukas, maybe ROUSSEL ?
I've been listening to quite a bit of Roussel the last few days - this music sounds a bit too 'layered' and a bit too turbulent to be him. (Last night I heard his Second Symphony, his darkest, and that's not it.) I wouldn't at all be surprised if the composer is French though, I can hear the Dukas comparison in the violins.
Quote from: Brian on August 18, 2011, 12:12:33 AM
I've been listening to quite a bit of Roussel the last few days - this music sounds a bit too 'layered' and a bit too turbulent to be him. (Last night I heard his Second Symphony, his darkest, and that's not it.) I wouldn't at all be surprised if the composer is French though, I can hear the Dukas comparison in the violins.
Not Roussel.
The composer wrote a series of symphonies, concerti and chamber works, as well as songs and other vocal works
Clue: The context of the present work has connections with the United States
Sounds very Hartmannesque! Can't place it though.
Walton?
Quote from: Hattoff on August 18, 2011, 02:55:30 PM
Walton?
Neither Walton nor Hartmann
Besides this work, the composer wrote other symphonic poems, at least one of which is in the standard repertoire.
His musical style is not always identifiable with that of his country of origin.
The composer it reminds me of is Janacek, but he didn't write a series of symphonies or concertos. A symphonic poem in the standard repertoire? We've had Lyapunov in the thread before; it's probably too far forward in time for Balakirev (and what would be the American connection?); I suppose it could well be Arnold Bax. Not sure he wrote anything "American" in context. I'll be honest, though, I'm just throwing names out there in a state of complete confusion because I am madly in love with this composer's soundworld, it feels like a neighbor to some of my favorites (like Janacek), and yet I have no idea what it is.
I hear what you mean about his music not being identifiable with any particular country. I find it difficult, it could be almost anyone from that clip >:D
So, Arthur Honegger? :D
Quote from: Hattoff on August 18, 2011, 03:54:41 PM
I hear what you mean about his music not being identifiable with any particular country. I find it difficult, it could be almost anyone from that clip >:D
So, Arthur Honegger? :D
Arthur Honegger....it is! "Le Chant de Nigamon"
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51y8MvPWUQL._SL500_.jpg)
Hats off to Hatoff :)
And Brian, I am happy to introduce you to this piece
Honegger is good. He is like the Garden Warbler which is only distinguishable from other warblers because it has no distinguishing features; great song though.
Here's the next clip.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/XniEqec5/moody.html
Beautiful music! It must be Bantock's Sappho. And if it is, I won't be able to upload a new clip, as I am very busy today!!!
Quote from: Hattoff on August 18, 2011, 09:19:49 PM
Honegger is good. He is like the Garden Warbler which is only distinguishable from other warblers because it has no distinguishing features; great song though.
Disagree, I think Honegger is very distinguished, he rarely sounds like the other "Les Six" composers, and has a uniquely muscular sound combined with elements of French esthetic
Quote from: Hattoff on August 18, 2011, 03:54:41 PM
I hear what you mean about his music not being identifiable with any particular country. I find it difficult, it could be almost anyone from that clip >:D
So, Arthur Honegger? :D
I'm new to this thread. Do you have to name the piece or just the composer?
Quote from: Grazioso on August 19, 2011, 04:13:53 AM
I'm new to this thread. Do you have to name the piece or just the composer?
Just the composer is enough. If you know the piece, it's a bonus.
The new clip is very attractive sounding. I think it's sung in English(?).
Maybe from Walton's 'Troilus and Cressida'? just wild guess.
Quote from: Amfortas on August 19, 2011, 05:27:48 AM
The new clip is very attractive sounding. I think it's sung in English(?).
Maybe from Walton's 'Troilus and Cressida'? just wild guess.
I think it's Bantock's
Sappho, as I said earlier... ;)
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on August 19, 2011, 05:38:53 AM
I think it's Bantock's Sappho, as I said earlier... ;)
Ok, I thought you were guessing. So that's it? Very nice, I only heard one other piece by Bantock
Quote from: Amfortas on August 19, 2011, 05:41:32 AM
Ok, I thought you were guessing. So that's it? Very nice, I only heard one other piece by Bantock
Hattoff has been absent, so he hasn't confirmed yet. But I'm quite sure. It must be from this CD:
(http://www.musicweb-international.com/bantock/sappho.jpg)
So post away....it's your turn! :)
Okay. I didn't have the time earlier today, but I now have. Let's see...
Here is the new assignment. It's the granitic peroration to a symphonic poem I like very very much:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/me1TMeL-/Mystery_Music_6.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/me1TMeL-/Mystery_Music_6.html)
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on August 19, 2011, 08:52:02 AM
Here is the new assignment. It's the granitic peroration to a symphonic poem I like very very much:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/me1TMeL-/Mystery_Music_6.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/me1TMeL-/Mystery_Music_6.html)
Rangstrom,
Dityramb
That's quick! Great piece, isn't it? Your turn!
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on August 19, 2011, 09:38:41 AM
That's quick! Great piece, isn't it? Your turn!
Ok, bear with me, I have to find a good one and register on that file sharing site.
Here we go:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/7uCBmzai/GMG_Mystery_Clip_1.html
Quote from: Grazioso on August 19, 2011, 10:19:42 AM
Here we go:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/7uCBmzai/GMG_Mystery_Clip_1.html
That sounds like the answer to the question, "What if Elgar had written the finale of Brahms' First Symphony?"
Just because the music reminds me a bit of Brahms: Friedrich Gernsheim. ;D
Quote from: Grazioso on August 19, 2011, 10:19:42 AM
Here we go:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/7uCBmzai/GMG_Mystery_Clip_1.html
Is that one of the R.Strauss horn concertos?
Quote from: Brian on August 19, 2011, 10:27:22 AM
That sounds like the answer to the question, "What if Elgar had written the finale of Brahms' First Symphony?"
Indeed! :D
Quote from: Brian on August 19, 2011, 10:27:22 AM
That sounds like the answer to the question, "What if Elgar had written the finale of Brahms' First Symphony?"
Elgar got Brahms plastered on Jaegermeister at Zum Roten Igel, stole the score... :D
No one has it so far, so a hint: it's part of a multi-movement work.
Know what it sounds like to me? It sounds like the introduction to a song cycle. Any singers in this piece?
Sorry, I went to the pub. Johan got it exactamondo.
Amfortas, I like Honegger, no way was I putting him down :) A top man as far as I'm concerned. He's just a bit difficult to isolate sometimes. :)
Quote from: Hattoff on August 19, 2011, 12:04:19 PM
Amfortas, I like Honegger, no way was I putting him down :) A top man as far as I'm concerned. He's just a bit difficult to isolate sometimes. :)
Ok I can agree about that :D
Quote from: Brian on August 19, 2011, 10:56:30 AM
Know what it sounds like to me? It sounds like the introduction to a song cycle. Any singers in this piece?
Negative. It's an orchestral work by a composer whose country's flag has a cross in the design.
I don't know if this is already in place, but I thought it might be helpful to list the previous answers, and then folks can copy & paste and add to the list, so everyone knows what's been featured recently.
Here are the answers from the last few pages:
Cesar Cui
David Del Tredici--Final Alice
Franz Schmidt--Concertante Variations on a Theme of Beethoven
de Falla--The Three-Cornered Hat
Honegger--Le Chant de Nigamon
Bantock--Sappho
Rangstrom--Dityramb
Quote from: Grazioso on August 20, 2011, 04:05:09 AM
Negative. It's an orchestral work by a composer whose country's flag has a cross in the design.
Just a guess: Hilding Rosenberg?
Suter? Symphony in D minor?
Quote from: Amfortas on August 20, 2011, 04:39:32 AM
Just a guess: Hilding Rosenberg?
Quote from: val on August 20, 2011, 04:54:23 AM
Suter? Symphony in D minor?
No and no. How long should I let people keep trying before revealing the answer?
Bumped to a new page:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/7uCBmzai/GMG_Mystery_Clip_1.html
Quote from: Grazioso on August 20, 2011, 09:18:33 AM
No and no. How long should I let people keep trying before revealing the answer?
I've proposed 36 hrs. (at least) to allow for time differences and missed computer access, seems to have been generally accepted.
clip: Othmar SCHOEK ?
Quote from: listener on August 20, 2011, 09:39:56 AM
I've proposed 36 hrs. (at least) to allow for time differences and missed computer access, seems to have been generally accepted.
clip: Othmar SCHOEK ?
Thanks. I didn't know what the unwritten rules of the thread were.
Not Schoeck.
And how about..... Peterson-Berger?
Well, it's been a few days, and no one has guessed the last clip, so I will reveal it and post a new one to keep the game rolling. You all were getting warmer geographically. It's from the 3nd movement, "The Tragedy," of the 2nd symphony, The Sea, by Danish composer Hakon Borresen (1876-1954).
(http://cover7.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/Large/05/1225805.jpg)
A new musical challenge:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/vMYhNd4U/GMG_Mystery_Clip_2.html
Quote from: Grazioso on August 22, 2011, 04:43:27 AM
Well, it's been a few days, and no one has guessed the last clip, so I will reveal it and post a new one to keep the game rolling. You all were getting warmer geographically. It's from the 3nd movement, "The Tragedy," of the 2nd symphony, The Sea, by Danish composer Hakon Borresen (1876-1954).
(http://cover7.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/Large/05/1225805.jpg)
Thanks for introducing me, unwittingly, to Hakon Børresen, whose name I knew, but of whose work I'd not heard a note yet.
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on August 22, 2011, 05:25:27 AM
Thanks for introducing me, unwittingly, to Hakon Børresen, whose name I knew, but of whose work I'd not heard a note yet.
There's not much of his work available on disc atm, but the three symphonies can be had from CPO. He was a well-respected composer in his day, writing in a conservative idiom reminiscent of Svendsen and Brahms.
Is this composer from one of the Baltic countries?
It's a canon, but not Pachelbel's and I have no idea whose.
Not from a Baltic country, and way later than Pachelbel: this piece comes from the late 20th century.
Although waiting 36 hours for clues is entirely reasonable, it does seen to be killing this thread particularly with, perhaps, unheard of composers.
Perhaps (again) some middle ground could be found?
Is it Robert Simpson?
Shchedrin?
Hint: a symphony from the British Isles
Could it be one of Malcolm Arnold's?
Quote from: Amfortas on August 24, 2011, 04:57:31 AM
Could it be one of Malcolm Arnold's?
No (though Arnold wrote some great ones). Unlike Arnold, this composer didn't write for film (afaik--don't sue if I'm wrong :o ), but he did write for a great occasion.
Quote from: Grazioso on August 24, 2011, 04:11:21 AM
Hint: a symphony from the British Isles
British Isles not just Britain? So may be Peter Maxwell Davies?
Quote from: Grazioso on August 24, 2011, 05:12:19 AM
No (though Arnold wrote some great ones). Unlike Arnold, this composer didn't write for film (afaik--don't sue if I'm wrong :o ), but he did write for a great occasion.
George Lloyd?
William Walton?
Quote from: Sef on August 24, 2011, 08:44:57 AM
William Walton?
Walton wrote the score to Olivier's
Henry V - though Grazioso did leave the door slightly open to the mystery composer perhaps having written a film score.
I hope it's Lloyd, if only because my very first contribution to the thread was Lloyd. :)
No one yet... Another hint: his country has a cat breed named after it, but not actually from there.
Bumped to the new page for convenience:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/vMYhNd4U/GMG_Mystery_Clip_2.html
Quote from: Grazioso on August 24, 2011, 09:36:05 AM
No one yet... Another hint: his country has a cat breed named after it, but not actually from there.
Bumped to the new page for convenience:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/vMYhNd4U/GMG_Mystery_Clip_2.html
Isle of Man?
Quote from: Sef on August 24, 2011, 09:45:12 AM
Isle of Man?
No, but you're on the right track...
Peter Maxwell Davies?
Alun Hoddinott?
No on got it, though Amfortas was closest, guessing Hoddinott. The clip is from the third movement of the third symphony by Welshman William Mathias. He also wrote an anthem for the wedding of Charles and Di (the great occasion I hinted at), and the cat breed is the Cymric, named after Cymru (the Welsh name for their nation) but actually a long-haired variant of the Manx cat from Man.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51iN8zwGADL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Here's one from a contemporary of Mozart:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/dv1PnyD4/GMG_Mystery_Clip_3.html
I've not encountered the MATHIAS piece before, it sounds interesting enough to warrant a search (now that I know what to look for).
Quote from: listener on August 24, 2011, 10:52:20 AM
I've not encountered the MATHIAS piece before, it sounds interesting enough to warrant a search (now that I know what to look for).
He's probably best known for his church music, but his three symphonies are quite good, particularly the second, with its mysterious, shimmering, Martinu-like sonorities, and the ominous, kinetic third.
Quote from: Grazioso on August 24, 2011, 11:02:49 AM
He's probably best known for his church music, but his three symphonies are quite good, particularly the second, with its mysterious, shimmering, Martinu-like sonorities, and the ominous, kinetic third.
This is a reminder for me to listen to the Mathias I have, Symphonies 1 & 2. Never heard the 3rd at all.
I'll pass on the Mozart-type one. 19th-20th C are much more my style
Salieri? :o
Quote from: Grazioso on August 24, 2011, 10:37:54 AM
Here's one from a contemporary of Mozart:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/dv1PnyD4/GMG_Mystery_Clip_3.html
That very much sounds like something from an opera - I really thought somebody would begin singing at about the 30 second mark. Is it by J.M. Kraus by any chance? I don't know much about this time period. Sounds like great music, though.
Quote from: Brian on August 25, 2011, 08:18:29 PM
That very much sounds like something from an opera - I really thought somebody would begin singing at about the 30 second mark. Is it by J.M. Kraus by any chance? I don't know much about this time period. Sounds like great music, though.
Well played, Sir! Yes, it's the overture to the incidental music for
Olympie, by Joseph Martin Kraus (1756-1792), an almost exact contemporary of Mozart who was mostly active in Sweden, wrote some powerful
Sturm und Drang symphonies, and won great praise from Haydn.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51rs9BLIdAL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
On to you...
Here are the answers from the last few pages:
David Del Tredici--Final Alice
Franz Schmidt--Concertante Variations on a Theme of Beethoven
de Falla--The Three-Cornered Hat
Honegger--Le Chant de Nigamon
Bantock--Sappho
Rangstrom--Dityramb
Børresen--Symphony No. 2
Mathias--Symphony No. 3
Kraus--Olympie overture
Sorry, I simply haven't thought of anything to upload yet. Estimated time of arrival: 7-8 hours from now. :)
Not much happening :(
Here's one to be going on with.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/KKXCf9dg/catchy.html
A sarabande, orchestrated by a 20th C composer?
Yes, it sounds like a 20th century composer, imitating a style inbetween Bach and Mozart. It could also be the theme for a set of variations. Reger?
Sorry for that horrid delay, folks. You caught me at a time when I had absolutely no good ideas for mystery clips. :( I've got one now to go when this one's solved. It sounds like something based on Handel (?).
an English period ballet?
Pomona by Lambert?
You're all getting there. It's an english composer but from an unfinished opera not ballet.
I did think that the style at the end of the clip would give it away :)
Not Elgar's 'Spanish Lady'?
Amfortas,
You are correct! Well done.
It's from an old BBC music magazine cover disc. Excerpts from the opera came along with the sketches for the 3rd symphony which predated Anthony Paynes realisation of the aforementioned.
I leave it up to you as to who goes next.
Quote from: Hattoff on August 30, 2011, 05:28:35 AM
Amfortas,
You are correct! Well done.
It's from an old BBC music magazine cover disc. Excerpts from the opera came along with the sketches for the 3rd symphony which predated Anthony Paynes realisation of the aforementioned.
I leave it up to you as to who goes next.
:o Wow, Thanks. That was a good clip. I thought of Elgar at first, because I know he had orchestrated some of Bach...but your last clues led me right in...And I do remember that BBC Magazine disc!
I will post a clip within the next 90-120 minutes, so please be patient....
Here is the next clip....
http://www.4shared.com/audio/bnCc3nRs/Mystery_for__30_AUG.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/bnCc3nRs/Mystery_for__30_AUG.html)
Dag Wiren Serenade for Strings?
Right place at the right time for me, since I've not been here for days - Nielsen's Little Suite, Op.1. I'm even going to guess that those snappy accents and polished strings belong to the SFSO and maestro Blomstedt.
DF
Quote from: DaveF on August 30, 2011, 01:26:06 PM
Right place at the right time for me, since I've not been here for days - Nielsen's Little Suite, Op.1. I'm even going to guess that those snappy accents and polished strings belong to the SFSO and maestro Blomstedt.
DF
You got it... The Intermezzo. You're just too quick!
Ah, that was too easy.
By the way, it's the I Musici recording on Philips
Bedtime now on this side of the Atlantic. I have something interesting in mind for tomorrow.
DF
Now, in a slight change to the accepted format, I've posted two pieces - the first is the real mystery, but because the one always reminds me of the other whenever I hear it (and vice-versa), I've included the other to see whether anyone else agrees that they are spookily similar. Apparently they were composed at exactly the same time, so influence one way or the other seems unlikely. Extra points for identifying both pieces.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/9AT1WJ2W/11083101.html
http://www.4shared.com/audio/hxKkDXlm/11083102.html
DF
First clip makes me think of Britten and does sound familiar
In the second I hear what must be an English chorus singing, but can't guess the piece yet
1 Arvo Pärt - something ?
2 not a part/Pärt -song, but a Kyrie by someone, possibly from a mass?
Amfortas is right with Britten - I only wish it sounded familiar to everyone, as Britten string quartets (oops - given away the piece now - the very start of no.1) are to my mind a shamefully neglected part of his œuvre. The other non-mystery "soundalike", written a year later and presumably in ignorance of Britten's work, was for a British institution (Worcester cathedral) but by a Hungarian - the Kyrie from the Missa Brevis by Kodály.
Quote from: DaveF on September 02, 2011, 12:18:22 PM
Amfortas is right with Britten - I only wish it sounded familiar to everyone, as Britten string quartets (oops - given away the piece now - the very start of no.1) are to my mind a shamefully neglected part of his œuvre. The other non-mystery "soundalike", written a year later and presumably in ignorance of Britten's work, was for a British institution (Worcester cathedral) but by a Hungarian - the Kyrie from the Missa Brevis by Kodály.
Ah, I should have recognized the Kodály as well, although I have not heard it in years.
By the way, I like your quote :D
Here is a new Mystery clip....
http://www.4shared.com/audio/v0QKFuV8/MYSTERY_SEPT_2.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/v0QKFuV8/MYSTERY_SEPT_2.html)
Is that a Russian quote by the bassoon in the middle of the clip? (Tchai. 4th finale) - not a Tchaikovsky guess.
:-[
Quote from: listener on September 04, 2011, 09:27:55 AM
Is that a Russian quote by the bassoon in the middle of the clip? (Tchai. 4th finale) - not a Tchaikovsky guess.
Could be, I did not notice it.
Arnold?
Vaughan Williams?............sounds like an orchestral bit from his Serenade to Music.
Is it Kallstenius, the Swedish composer? There is something in the harmony in the beginning that reminds me of him.
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on September 04, 2011, 11:08:54 AM
Is it Kallstenius, the Swedish composer? There is something in the harmony in the beginning that reminds me of him.
Can't be him since I never heard of him.
It's not RVW or Arnold either.
However the composer has a genre in common with those two. A genre not found with every composer (this piece is NOT in that genre).
A two piano concerto (is that whay unites them)?
Could it be by Poulenc?
Edit: Or rather; Milhaud (which this music sounds like)?
Quote from: Amfortas on September 04, 2011, 01:18:05 PM
Can't be him since I never heard of him.
I don't know the limits of your knowledge. ;D
Quote from: The new erato on September 04, 2011, 01:39:50 PM
A two piano concerto (is that whay unites them)?
Could it be by Poulenc?
Edit: Or rather; Milhaud (which this music sounds like)?
No. Not French. Think of different musical genres. RVW and Arnold excel in many, and they have one particular genre in common with this composer, but not all composers wrote in that genre. I just thought that would narrow it down for you. In any case, this piece is not of that genre. It's a work in 4 movements, not often performed. The composer is well-known on a board such as this, if not to the public at large.
Are you talking about film soundtrack music?
Korngolds symphony? Have no possibility to check since I'm at work.
Quote from: Hattoff on September 04, 2011, 10:16:09 PM
Are you talking about film soundtrack music?
Yes, they have film music genre in common.
But I repeat, this is NOT film music.
Not Korngold either.
Alwyn?
Quote from: Hattoff on September 05, 2011, 08:06:35 AM
Alwyn?
OK, Alwyn is a good guess, as were RVW and Arnold. This is indeed an English composer.
The work is his only symphony, as far as I know. It goes by a unique name and this is from its 3rd movement
Bliss "Colour Symphony"?
Yes! From this recording :D
(http://www.audiophileusa.com/covers400water/54332.jpg)
Movement III: "Blue, the colour of Sapphires, Deep Water, Skies, Loyalty and Melancholy"
Gently flowing: slow, with chords used to depict the lapping of water against a moored boat or a pier
I hope you heard it with "fresh ears" ;D
Please, Grazioso, something that's not English! ;D
Quote from: Brian on September 05, 2011, 09:05:07 AM
Please, Grazioso, something that's not English! ;D
Non-English music, by request :D
http://www.4shared.com/audio/EAjZ6eFd/GMG_Mystery_Clip_4.html
Whatever it is, it's post-Richard Strauss ;D
Quote from: Amfortas on September 05, 2011, 10:30:45 AM
Whatever it is, it's post-Richard Strauss ;D
You might be surprised there...
Quote from: Grazioso on September 06, 2011, 04:44:06 AM
You might be surprised there...
Is this the tone poem 'Macbeth'? [Guessing it actually is R.Strauss]
Quote from: Amfortas on September 06, 2011, 07:53:45 AM
Is this the tone poem 'Macbeth'? [Guessing it actually is R.Strauss]
Not by Strauss, but by a near contemporary.
Quote from: Amfortas on September 06, 2011, 08:22:22 AM
Schreker?
Not Schreker. Anybody else willing to hazard a guess before I start offering some clues?
only because I'm ready for some d'ALBERT and notice the date of birth.... music from Tiefland?
Not d'Albert. While not by a British composer, this piece is linked to an English historical figure.
From one of Albeniz's historical operas?
Quote from: Grazioso on September 06, 2011, 12:47:39 PM
Not d'Albert. While not by a British composer, this piece is linked to an English historical figure.
Something to do with King Arthur?
Goldmark: the Merlin Overture?
Following Amfortas' lead, Chausson?
I am really struggling to think of what this is! But whatever it is, it is so so beautiful!
Not at all confident with this vote (!), but could it be Respighi? Certain parts of the orchestration made me think of his style...
Whatever it is, I look forward to finding out so I can listen to it in full! :)
Best Wishes
Daniel
No one so far. Hint: the composer shares a surname with a famous actress.
Quote from: Grazioso on September 07, 2011, 04:03:16 AM
No one so far. Hint: the composer shares a surname with a famous actress.
It wasn't Nielsen was it?!!!!!
Quote from: madaboutmahler on September 07, 2011, 05:21:59 AM
It wasn't Nielsen was it?!!!!!
No, i take that back, it is not possible!
I am really not sure about who it is....
Quote from: madaboutmahler on September 07, 2011, 05:31:20 AM
No, i take that back, it is not possible!
I am really not sure about who it is....
Yes, there was an Asta Nielsen!
Not Nielsen...
Quote from: Grazioso on September 07, 2011, 05:42:23 AM
Not Nielsen...
Dang!
There wasn't a Deborah Delius, by any chance? ;D
Quote from: Grazioso on September 07, 2011, 05:42:23 AM
Not Nielsen...
haha ;) I had a sudden burst of possible victory when I knew there was an actor/actress called Nielsen... but the music sounded absolutely nothing like his...... :-[
Maybe you could give us some more clues? ;) I really want to find out what this one is... it's beautiful! :)
Daniel
Dvorak? (as in Ann Dvorak?)
OTHELLO OVERTURE?
Nah, listening to it now on Youtube, and this isn't it either.
Joseph Joachim: Overture to Henry IV, Op.7?
:-X I guess I'm stuck in Shakespeare today :-\
Quote from: Amfortas on September 07, 2011, 09:34:05 AM
Joseph Joachim: Overture to Henry IV, Op.7?
:-X I guess I'm stuck in Shakespeare today :-\
There are far worse places to be stuck!
Another clue: he wrote a piece related to the weather.
Quote from: Grazioso on September 07, 2011, 09:39:19 AM
There are far worse places to be stuck!
Another clue: he wrote a piece related to the weather.
Something called "Der Sturm"?....I know it's not Frank Martin
Edward MACDOWELL - Hamlet and Ophelia ? (although technically Hamlet was a Dane)
with x-ref to Andie Macdowell and the women's choral piece Sunmmer Wind
If not, keep this going for a bit. I have the feeling members are looking through many lists, lilke Times crossword solvers thumb through Chambers.
Felix Weingartner! (Or Korngold)
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on September 07, 2011, 02:11:05 PM
Felix Weingartner! (Or Korngold)
No famous actress named Weingartner or Korngold ;D
Quote from: Amfortas on September 07, 2011, 03:44:00 PM
No famous actress named Weingartner or Korngold ;D
I forgot!!! :'( :D
No one yet. Want to keep going, or should I reveal it?
Quote from: Grazioso on September 08, 2011, 04:53:21 AM
No one yet. Want to keep going, or should I reveal it?
How about more clues?
Quote from: Amfortas on September 08, 2011, 05:06:04 AM
How about more clues?
Hopefully this won't give it away: the actress who shares the composer's last name starred opposite William Holden.
Kim Novak.
So this si Spring by Novak?
Warning; have no way of uploading new challenges.
Quote from: The new erato on September 08, 2011, 05:28:45 AM
So this si Spring by Novak?
Warning; have no way of uploading new challenges.
Dang, I bet it is. Meanwhile I was thinking, "are there composers named Swanson?" ::) ;D
Quote from: Brian on September 08, 2011, 05:29:54 AM
Dang, I bet it is. Meanwhile I was thinking, "are there composers named Swanson?"
Haha! The 'Sunset Boulevard' Symphony.
Or could it be anybodys Swanson(g)? Eg the Schwanengesang?
I'll bet Novák is correct. :D
Quote from: The new erato on September 08, 2011, 05:37:16 AM
Or could it be anybodys Swanson(g)? Eg the Schwanengesang?
Clever, clever.
:D I was hoping it was Dvořák -- Ann Dvořák wrote a nice symphony called "The New World" ;D ;D ;D
If Holden partnered one of the Marx brothers, it could be Der Herbstsymfonie?
The English connection - mightt be the Lady Godiva Overture ?
It's Novák's Storm cantata.
Quote from: The new erato on September 08, 2011, 05:28:45 AM
So this si Spring by Novak?
Warning; have no way of uploading new challenges.
Viteslav Novak it is, a Czech composer who was an almost exact contemporary of Strauss. The piece about the weather is
The Storm, and the actress is blonde bombshell Kim Novak, who starred in
Vertigo and
The Picnic (with Holden), among others.
Quote from: listener on September 08, 2011, 06:20:07 AM
The English connection - mightt be the Lady Godiva Overture ?
Bingo! On to you.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51D0WXGeb8L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Once again, some new to my ears music that I'll look for.
We (myself included) seem to have more success with the clues part than actually recognizing the clips. This may be familiar to someone: Not an obscure composer, but from a lesser-known work.
Prokofiev...........Betrothal in a Monastery, otherwise The Duenna.
Among my very favourite operas. :) :) :)
beautiful answer! and absolutely correct,. You are next.
Damn! A Speed Round :D
Quote from: Hattoff on September 08, 2011, 10:27:03 AM
Prokofiev...........Betrothal in a Monastery, otherwise The Duenna.
Among my very favourite operas. :) :) :)
I should add that my other favourites are by Prokofiev as well :D
This one's unusual in a singular way.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/TQAGIUfD/colslaw.html
Quote from: Hattoff on September 08, 2011, 10:49:39 AM
I should add that my other favourites are by Prokofiev as well :D
This one's unusual in a singular way.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/TQAGIUfD/colslaw.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/TQAGIUfD/colslaw.html)
Sounds like scene painting, Wagnerian Forest Murmurs seen through a
Debussyste filter.
Roussel's symphony No. 1?
Quote from: Hattoff on September 08, 2011, 10:49:39 AM
This one's unusual in a singular way.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/TQAGIUfD/colslaw.html
Wow, that clip is awesome.
No clue what it is - not Roussel, though.
Quote from: Brian Dvořák on September 08, 2011, 11:03:47 AM
Wow, that clip is awesome.
No clue what it is - not Roussel, though.
Boy, are you in for a surprise :) :)
And, you are right it's not Roussel.
Debussyste is goodly, Johan.
Quote from: Grazioso on September 08, 2011, 09:54:07 AM
Viteslav Novak it is, a Czech composer who was an almost exact contemporary of Strauss. The piece about the weather is The Storm, and the actress is blonde bombshell Kim Novak, who starred in Vertigo and The Picnic (with Holden), among others.
So it was Novak.... I have to admit that I do not know his music very well so this small excerpt was a nice introduction! I intend to look more into his music now, thank you Grazioso!
Daniel
reminds me a bit of RESPIGHI's Brazilian Impressions (Butantan mvt)
Another clip with a prominent Cor Anglais at the end :D'
Sounds nice....I never thought of Respighi, could be right!
Quote from: Grazioso on September 08, 2011, 10:39:30 AM
Damn! A Speed Round :D
Yes that was a speed round! I never even knew about it until it was over :o
too bad, I'd have guessed Prokofiev too ;D
Amfortas, how could you?...... Guess??......... I'm deeply, deeply hurt :o I knew it within the first two notes. I nearly fell off my three legged stool, I thought I'd pulled the wrong knob on my steam driven computer and brought up my own music. It was a frantic moment :) :) :)
Yes, it is similar to the Respighi (nice one) but it was written just a little earlier.
Quote from: Hattoff on September 08, 2011, 12:12:28 PM
Amfortas, how could you?...... Guess??......... I'm deeply, deeply hurt :o I knew it within the first two notes. I nearly fell off my three legged stool, I thought I'd pulled the wrong knob on my steam driven computer and brought up my own music. It was a frantic moment :) :) :)
Yes, it is similar to the Respighi (nice one) but it was written just a little earlier.
:D Hatoff, you may know and love Prokofiev even more than I do! :D
Quote from: madaboutmahler on September 08, 2011, 11:21:25 AM
So it was Novak.... I have to admit that I do not know his music very well so this small excerpt was a nice introduction! I intend to look more into his music now, thank you Grazioso!
Daniel
He should appeal to anyone who likes lush late Romanticsm like Strauss, Zemlinsky, etc. I really think some of his works could become repertoire staples if only they got more exposure. A few I like are
Lady Godiva,
In the Tatra Mountains, and
Pan.
The Storm has gotten raves here, but I haven't heard it yet.
Quote from: Hattoff on September 08, 2011, 11:14:55 AM
And, you are right it's not Roussel.
On the bright side, it caused me to break out his first symphony for the first time in a year or two. A fine quasi-impressionistic work.
something Amazon-y by Villa-Lobos?
No, not Villa Lobos :(
Clue time.
This was orchestrated by Charles Koechlin as the composer was not up to it.
I uploaded the clip because I think it's a lovely piece of music but the composer, although very well known, was not primarily a serious music composer.
I shall put a message on the Charles Koechlin thread, to see if anyone there knows!
Quote from: Hattoff on September 10, 2011, 01:56:10 AM
No, not Villa Lobos :(
Clue time.
This was orchestrated by Charles Koechlin as the composer was not up to it.
I uploaded the clip because I think it's a lovely piece of music but the composer, although very well known, was not primarily a serious music composer.
I shall put a message on the Charles Koechlin thread, to see if anyone there knows!
It's COLE PORTER!
Amfortas, You're too good :D
It's from his Ravelesque ballet 'Within the Quota'.
It's no longer available on CD but if anyone wants a copy I can upload the whole thing, it only lasts 14 mins.
Over to you Amfortas.
Surprising!!
Yes, that was a good one, Hatoff....
Now here's a slightly easier challenge:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/u0bclbBh/2Mystery_10_Sept.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/u0bclbBh/2Mystery_10_Sept.html)
Dvorak, In Nature's Realm or one of that trilogy of overtures.
Sorry, no it's not Dvorak
Reposting it for the new page:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/u0bclbBh/2Mystery_10_Sept.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/u0bclbBh/2Mystery_10_Sept.html)
Darn. I've definitely heard that theme at 0:50.
Suk, Fairy Tale.
Quote from: Amfortas on September 10, 2011, 07:04:36 AM
RIGHT! How did you get that so fast?
I knew I had heard it, and thoughts of Dvorak quickly turned to his son-in-law, Suk :)
Here's some chamber music for a change of pace:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/x4-dT35V/GMG_Mystery_Clip_5.html
Quote from: Grazioso on September 11, 2011, 04:28:02 AM
Here's some chamber music for a change of pace:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/x4-dT35V/GMG_Mystery_Clip_5.html
Well, it sounds a lot like a Haydn string quartet, but I have no idea which one! Am I right? :)
Daniel
Not one of the Schumann quartets?
Not Haydn or Schumann...
It's probably an early-mid 19th C composer who is not well known for string quartets, perhaps an opera composer
Quote from: Amfortas on September 12, 2011, 05:16:44 AM
It's probably an early-mid 19th C composer who is not well known for string quartets, perhaps an opera composer
The piece sounds very Classical and akin to Haydn and Mozart. There is a strange clashing harmony around the 33rd second. It could be early Schubert.
Not Schubert. Amfortas has the right line of thought...
Donizetti?
Quote from: Grazioso on September 12, 2011, 06:29:06 AM
Not Schubert. Amfortas has the right line of thought...
Amfortas isn't always as right. Not when Kundry was around.
Quote from: mszczuj on September 12, 2011, 07:38:09 AM
Donizetti?
Mszcuij may be right, I don't think it's the Verdi str qt
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on September 12, 2011, 08:42:40 AM
Amfortas isn't always as right. Not when Kundry was around.
;D Klingsor will get you for that! :P
Quote from: Amfortas on September 12, 2011, 08:48:37 AM
;D Klingsor will get you for that! :P
Got to guard my flank then. ;D
Not Verdi or Donizetti. Getting a bit colder...
Quote from: Grazioso on September 12, 2011, 10:04:28 AM
Not Verdi or Donizetti. Getting a bit colder...
Not Italian, I'm guessing
Is it the Humperdinck?
Quote from: Amfortas on September 12, 2011, 10:14:40 AM
Not Italian, I'm guessing
Is it the Humperdinck?
Lose the opera angle and you'll be back on track...
Quote from: Grazioso on September 12, 2011, 10:21:13 AM
Lose the opera angle and you'll be back on track...
I think I'll need another clue, this is a toughie
A visual clue:
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060205225318/muppet/images/thumb/3/3c/CT-p0001-ST.jpg/300px-CT-p0001-ST.jpg)
Not where he's from, but what he likes to do.
It isn't Bruckner, is it, who had a counting mania?
It's some Count with a capital C.
Quote from: Grazioso on September 12, 2011, 10:34:36 AM
A visual clue:
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060205225318/muppet/images/thumb/3/3c/CT-p0001-ST.jpg/300px-CT-p0001-ST.jpg)
Not where he's from, but what he likes to do.
I see, he never drank.....wine
Quote from: Grazioso on September 12, 2011, 10:34:36 AM
Not where he's from, but what he likes to do.
Mozart!:
http://www.youtube.com/v/B-Wd-Q3F8KM
Quote from: Brian on September 12, 2011, 10:55:04 AM
Mozart!:
http://www.youtube.com/v/B-Wd-Q3F8KM
I missed that episode! :o ;D
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on September 12, 2011, 10:41:26 AM
It isn't Bruckner, is it, who had a counting mania?
Bingo! Yes, his string quartet.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51YVPF2D0RL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Quote from: Grazioso on September 12, 2011, 11:35:17 AM
I missed that episode! :o ;D
Bingo! Yes, his string quartet.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51YVPF2D0RL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Nice hint! With a funny YouTube vid as a bonus. I am busy editing at the moment. I'll put a new mystery clip up in a few hours' time... But if others are impatient, they can have my turn.
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on September 12, 2011, 11:39:37 AM
Nice hint! With a funny YouTube vid as a bonus. I am busy editing at the moment. I'll put a new mystery clip up in a few hours' time... But if others are impatient, they can have my turn.
I'd hope everyone can wait a few hours, at least! You won; you deserve to post.
Finished earlier than I expected. Here is a beautiful fragment:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/S_Zpq3QO/Mystery_music_7.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/S_Zpq3QO/Mystery_music_7.html)
It's awfully pretty! :D
Can't guess who it is though
Quote from: Amfortas on September 12, 2011, 02:33:16 PM
It's awfully pretty! :D
Can't guess who it is though
A composer who deserves more exposure. This work is a minor masterpiece.
Any more clues?
It's a tone poem. And it has to do with a death.
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on September 14, 2011, 05:40:34 AM
It's a tone poem. And it has to do with a death.
Karlowicz maybe? Some parts reminded me a bit of his tone poems.... not completely sure.
Daniel
Quote from: madaboutmahler on September 15, 2011, 09:54:02 AM
Karlowicz maybe? Some parts reminded me a bit of his tone poems.... not completely sure.
Daniel
This composer is older than Karlowicz. He belongs to the generation of Mahler, Strauss, Nielsen and Sibelius.
Bantock?
Nope. Wrong country.
Kurt Atterberg.
The man isn't Scandinavian.
Nice clip............Albéric Magnard ?
Steve comes, Steve listens, Steve conquers.
Yes, it's Albéric Magnard's great Chant funèbre, Op. 9, from 1895, a tone-poem written in memory of his father.
Your turn!
:D
I do like Magnard, I didn't know that particular work, though. Got to get it now!
Here's a nice, easy early work for a change of pace!
http://www.4shared.com/audio/IEHwdiy1/an_early_lovely.html
Quote from: Hattoff on September 15, 2011, 11:44:40 AM
:D
I do like Magnard, I didn't know that particular work, though. Got to get it now!
Here's a nice, easy early work for a change of pace!
http://www.4shared.com/audio/IEHwdiy1/an_early_lovely.html (http://www.4shared.com/audio/IEHwdiy1/an_early_lovely.html)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/njmhhzzonyq/Magnard%20-%20Chant%20funebre.mp3 (http://www.mediafire.com/file/njmhhzzonyq/Magnard%20-%20Chant%20funebre.mp3)
Ha! Too easy; even I can answer it without clues. :D (Or at least I think I can. I'm assuming that the composer used that fanfare here and in only other work. ;))
That's what I was hoping to hear :)
and, it is?............ drum roll............ we'll be back shortly, after the break; applause; goes to adverts >:(
:) ;) :D ;D
Monteverdi: Vespers 1610!!
That's it :)
You had to be quick on that one >:D
Well done.
your go.
Ok here is the next one....no clues to start out....
http://www.4shared.com/audio/QUyBjr5g/MYSTERY_CLIP_15_SEPTEMBER.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/QUyBjr5g/MYSTERY_CLIP_15_SEPTEMBER.html)
Norgard?
Quote from: Hattoff on September 15, 2011, 12:21:51 PM
That's what I was hoping to hear :)
and, it is?............ drum roll............ we'll be back shortly, after the break; applause; goes to adverts >:(
:) ;) :D ;D
:D Well, neither did I have anything to post at the time nor was I intent on finding something to, so in an act of utmost generosity, I offered someone else the pleasure of posting the answer. :P
By the way, from whose recording was that clip extracted?
For the present mystery work, I guess the composer could be Messiaen, what with all the "bird calls" in it.
Quote from: Amfortas on September 16, 2011, 06:40:59 AM
Yes. Very fast work. From the 5th Symphony :D
I haven't heard the 5th, but the style sure sounds reminiscent of the 6th :)
http://www.4shared.com/audio/AMVpc3ZK/GMG_Mystery_Clip_6.html
EDIT: No one has guessed yet, so I replaced the old clip with a newer, more distinctive one from the same piece.
I don't know the clip, so a sheer guess, schnittke ?
Something about a shipwreck?
Not Schnittke or a depiction of a shipwreck.
Hint: American composer
Alan Hovhaness?
Quote from: Amfortas on September 18, 2011, 05:44:02 AM
Alan Hovhaness?
You are right, sir. Symphony 6
Celestial Gate(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51w8Ijg8NzL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Quote from: Grazioso on September 18, 2011, 05:56:29 AM
You are right, sir. Symphony 6 Celestial Gate
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51w8Ijg8NzL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Very nice, I recognized the trumpet and string writing, reminded me of his Prayer of St Gregory :D --and I just noted that piece is on the disc as well...
I'll have the next mystery up shortly ;D
Here's the next mystery clip....guess the composer and piece if possible ;D
http://www.4shared.com/audio/MKH_Aw-A/MYSTERY_18_SEPTEMBER.html
(http://www.4shared.com/audio/MKH_Aw-A/MYSTERY_18_SEPTEMBER.html)
No guesses yet?
Clue: this is by a very famous composer
Tchaikovsky?
Quote from: Amfortas on September 20, 2011, 08:02:05 AM
No, not Tchaikovsky, from a later period
more clues please! :) I think I have an idea of who it is, but will wait for a clue first to see if I am correct!
Daniel
clue:This clip is from a symphony
Quote from: Amfortas on September 20, 2011, 09:18:33 AM
clue:This clip is from a symphony
hmmm.... another clue please! Is this composer
a) German/Austrian?
b) not particularly known for his symphonies?
Daniel
Quote from: madaboutmahler on September 20, 2011, 09:31:03 AM
hmmm.... another clue please! Is this composer
a) German/Austrian?
b) not particularly known for his symphonies?
Daniel
Very well known for something, but not for symphonies.
Quote from: Amfortas on September 20, 2011, 11:50:32 AM
Very well known for something, but not for symphonies.
Kurt Weill - not well known enough?
Quote from: Brian on September 20, 2011, 11:53:50 AM
Kurt Weill - not well known enough?
Funny you guess Weill, I almost used something by him, this composer was older than Weill and influenced him somewhat
Busoni?
Quote from: Amfortas on September 20, 2011, 11:59:30 AM
Funny you guess Weill, I almost used something by him, this composer was older than Weill and influenced him somewhat
Not confident really. It could be one of R.Strauss' early symphonies? He wrote 2 I believe, I am correct I am not sure which one it is from. This is challenging! Strauss is one of my absolute favourites, but I do not know his earlier works that well.
Daniel
Stravinsky symphony in Eb.
I think you nailed it, Steve...
I'm afraid no one has gotten it yet....
more clues: the composer is not Russian.
This piece is not as well known as another symphony by the same composer. But that better known symphony is not what makes the composer famous.
He is famous for several works, but also for something....else...!
PS: if you listen to the clip again, you'll hear that it's characteristic of the composer in some ways, if not in all ways ;D
Curiouser and curiouser.
Quote from: madaboutmahler on September 20, 2011, 12:19:59 PM
Not confident really. It could be one of R.Strauss' early symphonies? He wrote 2 I believe, I am correct I am not sure which one it is from. This is challenging! Strauss is one of my absolute favourites, but I do not know his earlier works that well.
Daniel
Nope, I listened to the first Strauss symphony quite a lot when I was the age that he was when he wrote it (16?) and it's very, very conservative. It's from 1880 but sounds 25 years older, at least!
Schoenberg?
ARNOLD SCHOENBERG: CHAMBER SYMPHONY #2: 2nd movement, Con fuoco
You got, New Erato! :D
Quote from: Amfortas on September 20, 2011, 01:07:15 PM
ARNOLD SCHOENBERG: CHAMBER SYMPHONY #2: 2nd movement, Con fuoco
You got, New Erato! :D
That's stupid!! I love that piece, but it's been quite a while... :-[ The ending is wonderful.
Quote from: Amfortas on September 20, 2011, 01:07:15 PM
ARNOLD SCHOENBERG: CHAMBER SYMPHONY #2: 2nd movement, Con fuoco
You got, New Erato! :D
Holy crap; I don't even have a ripping program.......I'm an old fashioned collector. Anybody else able and willing?
Really confused by some of the guesses. This was so decidedly atonally influenced that my first thought was the 2nd Vienna school on my initial listen a couple of minutes ago.
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on September 20, 2011, 01:11:10 PM
That's stupid!! I love that piece, but it's been quite a while... :-[ The ending is wonderful.
Yes, it's a nice work. Schoenberg is a wonderful composer in just about every way.
Quote from: The new erato on September 20, 2011, 01:11:21 PM
Holy crap; I don't even have a ripping program.......I'm an old fashioned collector. Anybody else able and willing?
okay, I've waited a bit, someone may know this or guess it in a the same time. If not, it's very pretty.
Quote from: The new erato on September 20, 2011, 01:11:21 PM
Holy crap; I don't even have a ripping program.......I'm an old fashioned collector. Anybody else able and willing?
Really confused by some of the guesses. This was so decidedly atonally influenced that my first thought was the 2nd Vienna school on my initial listen a couple of minutes ago.
You know - some guesses are looking for works which sounds completely diffrent than you should expect.
Quote from: listener on September 20, 2011, 02:11:03 PM
okay, I've waited a bit, someone may know this or guess it in a the same time. If not, it's very pretty.
The new clip sounds to me like somebody took Dvorak and shoved him way into the 20th Century
Martinu?
20th Century, yes¸
Martinu, no
hint: a composer of several genres (aren't they all?), I was quite surprised to see how 20th century he was chronologically, thought born shortly before.
Quote from: listener on September 21, 2011, 09:09:06 AM
I was quite surprised to see how 20th century he was chronologically
Janáček?
Quote from: mszczuj on September 21, 2011, 10:12:26 PM
Janáček?
no, very satisfying as my last two turned out to be lightning rounds.
36 hrs. coming up, time for another vague comment:
The composer has written concertos, none for piano that I could see, but one is quite unique.
This isn't Marius Constant....who has concerto for barrel organ? :D
No scratch that, he's got a piano concerto too, and he was born in 1925 so he's too young :-\
From your clues, William Grant Still?
I'm sorely araid that I know none of his music :(
not Still, and not Malcolm Arnold
a few hours short of 48:
The tune is quite singable, one of his most famous works is often excerpted for pops concerts (and cryptic clue: might be thought of as a politically correct version of something by Fields), another major work is not often performed but has had at least seven recordings (one of them severely cut).
Quote from: listener on September 22, 2011, 09:53:51 AM
a few hours short of 48:
The tune is quite singable, one of his most famous works is often excerpted for pops concerts (and cryptic clue: might be thought of as a politically correct version of something by Fields), another major work is not often performed but has had at least seven recordings (one of them severely cut).
Did somebody already guess Busoni?
Quote from: Brian on September 22, 2011, 10:20:25 AM
Did somebody already guess Busoni?
No, but there is a piano concerto in his name.
Quote from: Opus106 on September 22, 2011, 10:34:00 AM
No, but there is a piano concerto in his name.
Oops: my brain processed "one that is quite unique" but not "none for piano" - after all his piano concerto is quite unique!
Reinhold Glière ?
The music is certainly Russian. I know Glière's Third very well, and this sounds like him...
Quote from: Hattoff on September 22, 2011, 12:30:00 PM
Reinhold Glière ?
YES !!! on to Hattoff for the next one,,,
I thought the 'singable' might be a lead to his singular Concerto for Coloratura Soprano and Orch.
The cryptic referencce was to W.C. Fields (The Red) Poppy. And his 3rd Symphony is a cult favourite even though few conductors or orchestras want to work on that large a score.
The clip is from the 2nd movement of his Cello Concerto.
That was bloody, bleedin' difficult :o
Thanks for the clues, but got to Gliere via the Double Bass!.... I can't explain :( ......and only then realised he fitted with the pops clue.
I enjoyed that :) Very well done :)
I shall keep that clip, I listened to it so many times I got to like it. I like Gliere anyway.
Here's the next one.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/jEKiDyP7/tiddlybom.html
Okay, I don't know the piece, but I am thinking of Mosolov, The Foundry.
I know what you mean Johan, but it's not him :(
Quote from: Hattoff on September 22, 2011, 01:18:53 PM
I know what you mean Johan, but it's not him :(
I could always try! :)
Quote from: Hattoff on September 22, 2011, 01:08:08 PM
Here's the next one.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/jEKiDyP7/tiddlybom.html
Tell the workmen to stop hammering while the recording is in session :D
Schnittke?
The next section is quieter, the workmen are having a teabreak :)
Sorry, not Schnittke :(
Jennifer Higdon: Percussion Concerto?
I am really impressed by Jennifer Higdon and must get her Percussion Concerto; is it available?
So, sadly, it's not her :(
Still a bit early for clues :-X
Antheil, or more recent?
how about John Corigliano? He's got a percussion concerto
The final few notes reminded me of Milhaud. Or is it the Pied Piper Fantasy of Corigliano?
New erato wins tonight's star prize ;D
It is, indeed, Milhaud.
From his L' Homme et son désir, ballet, Op 48
your go............... make it a corker >:D
Quote from: Hattoff on September 23, 2011, 12:26:07 PM
New erato wins tonight's star prize ;D
It is, indeed, Milhaud.
From his L' Homme et son désir, ballet, Op 48
your go............... make it a corker >:D
I'm still a bad boy with no ripping program......maybe I should stop playing?
I feel that I am a kind of Bluto to this party.
Quote from: The new erato on September 23, 2011, 01:08:18 PM
I'm still a bad boy with no ripping program......maybe I should stop playing?
I feel that I am a kind of Bluto to this party.
No you should keep playing New Erato, you're a good guesser.
I suggest that you designate one of us who can rip to post the next one
Quote from: The new erato on September 23, 2011, 01:08:18 PM
I'm still a bad boy with no ripping program......maybe I should stop playing?
I feel that I am a kind of Bluto to this party.
It took me several tries, and a lot of assistance to find and use a program for this. Here's a link to a software program you can try free for a month. I haven't yet tried the free basic program that is the default one after thev trial period. Look for a batch of puzzle candidates, process and save for later when convenient.
http://www.nch.com.au/index.html
New erato, that was impressive, getting the composer from the last couple of seconds of the clip! You should definitely keep playing.
There are instructions on how to upload a clip on the first couple of pages of this thread. As with everything, there is a bit of a learning curve but you will quickly be able to upload clips within a few minutes.
Meanwhile, is there a lurker out there who hasn't yet had a chance to play? Now's your chance, all welcome, even if we end up with several clips ;D
I'll leave it open to anyone for a while, get in quick while you can and be 8)
Quote from: Hattoff on September 23, 2011, 10:56:00 PM
New erato, that was impressive, getting the composer from the last couple of seconds of the clip! You should definitely keep playing.
There are instructions on how to upload a clip on the first couple of pages of this thread. As with everything, there is a bit of a learning curve but you will quickly be able to upload clips within a few minutes.
Meanwhile, is there a lurker out there who hasn't yet had a chance to play? Now's your chance, all welcome, even if we end up with several clips ;D
I'll leave it open to anyone for a while, get in quick while you can and be 8)
I'll check the program and the download instructions in due time. In the meanwhile; any lurkers?
The lurkers must be listing :o
Here we go again.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/ojyRV2oG/osofud.html
I'm going to start by guessing this new clip is from a ballet score
It does sound that way, doesn't it? But it's not a ballet.
an overture?
Not an overture, but yes, a smaller work!
A divertimento?
It is of that ilk :)
Quote from: Hattoff on September 25, 2011, 04:34:35 AM
It is of that ilk :)
Of the ilk of a divertimento? So it's some sort of orchestral suite. The style is just not getting thru to me, I can't even guess at this point
Okay, it's a Sinfonietta. Although this composer is well known, there is very little of his music available, hence I used his Sinfonietta.
That's enough clues for a few hours ???
Zemlinsky?
Not Zemlinsky, this chap was about 12 years old when Zemlinsky died. He is well known for pinching something!
Quote from: Hattoff on September 25, 2011, 10:08:02 AM
Not Zemlinsky, this chap was about 12 years old when Zemlinsky died. He is well known for pinching something!
Did she slap him? ;)
Stylistically it reminds me a bit of Bernstein, but that doesn't fit the clues :(
How about Cristóbal Halffter?
Quote from: Grazioso on September 25, 2011, 10:14:19 AM
Did she slap him? ;)
Stylistically it reminds me a bit of Bernstein, but that doesn't fit the clues :(
No she didn't slap him but things weren't the same afterwards. :o
Neither Bernstein nor Halffter, you all need need to go further south.
Williamson?
Quote from: Hattoff on September 25, 2011, 10:08:02 AM
Not Zemlinsky, this chap was about 12 years old when Zemlinsky died.
If there was 42 not 12 years
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He is well known for pinching something!
I would say Antheil.
Was it the pinch that gave it away?
Yes, it is from the Sinfonietta by that already forgotten composer (except by me) Malcolm Williamson, 1931-2003 RIP.
Your go Grazioso.
Quote from: mszczuj on September 25, 2011, 10:59:50 AM
If there was 42 not 12 years
I would say Antheil.
Malcolm Williamson is "supposed" to have pinched the British Queen's bum/ass/arse/fanny during a photo shoot and was not, therefore, invited to Buckingham Palace ever again, which made it difficult for him as he was Master of the Queen's music.
I was thinking Takemitsu, having just read
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ek20110920wh.html
You were at Otonashi Shrine, which enjoys a measure of fame, I learned, because of a butt-bumping, bottom-pinching festival held every year on Nov. 10. You may want to mark your calendar for this event, at which pairs of contestants stand back to back on an overturned wooden tub and try to bump each other off using only their bums. But the main observance occurs when visitors mingle in complete darkness, silently passing cups of sacred sake. To signal the next person to take the cup, you pinch their bottom, which is why the festival is called the Shiritsumi Matsuri. ("Shiri" means "buttocks," and "tsumi" is a pinch or nip).
Those Japanese sure know how to enjoy themselves :) Probably wouldn't go down to well with the queen though :(
Quote from: Hattoff on September 25, 2011, 11:02:10 AM
Was it the pinch that gave it away?
Yes, it is from the Sinfonietta by that already forgotten composer (except by me) Malcolm Williamson, 1931-2003 RIP.
Your go Grazioso.
The funny thing is, when I made that joke (I was about to say "crack" :o) about the pinch, it was just that, a joke. I thought you were using "pinch" in the British slang sense of "steal," as if he ripped off someone's music :)
The earlier clue that he is "well known" threw me, but I researched Southern Hemisphere composers born around 1930 and narrowed it down.
A new challenge:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/hwUEwj5j/GMG_Mystery_Clip_7.html
I'm afraid I was being ambiguous in an attempt to amuse :) Sometimes I can't help myself from punning but on a multinational board, like this one, I'm, sometimes, not understood. My bad :(
Anyway is it Wieniawski?
Quote from: Hattoff on September 26, 2011, 07:01:33 AM
I'm afraid I was being ambiguous in an attempt to amuse :) Sometimes I can't help myself from punning but on a multinational board, like this one, I'm, sometimes, not understood. My bad :(
Anyway is it Wieniawski?
No problem :) I found the bum-pinching anecdote amusing! Good classical music trivia to file away...
Not Wieniawski.
Quote from: Grazioso on September 26, 2011, 05:20:06 AM
I thought you were using "pinch" in the British slang sense of "steal," as if he ripped off someone's music :)
That's exactly what I had thought. Not being British, I do know a lot of the expressions...
Can't begin to guess this Romantic-sounding violin concerto or its composer
Quote from: Amfortas on September 26, 2011, 10:43:33 AM
That's exactly what I had thought. Not being British, I do know a lot of the expressions...
I did get 'pinching the Queen's bottom' - but I'm an anglophile.
Quote from: Amfortas on September 26, 2011, 10:43:33 AM
That's exactly what I had thought. Not being British, I do know a lot of the expressions...
Can't begin to guess this Romantic-sounding violin concerto or its composer
Hint: he was a major violinist himself.
I know this very well, but I don't know what it is. No one note was strange to me in this clip. But I haven't listen to violin concertos consiously for years - only as sound wallpaper. So I have thought Wieniawski could be good answer. But while listening to it I had an impression that it was from earlier period.
Maybe it is Spohr - 8th concerto?
I am thinking of Spohr, too.
If the question be "who by?", might that be the answer?
- sounds more like Otto Joachim, though.
How about Fritz Kreisler? Just a wild guess, I'm not a fiddle fan
Quote from: Amfortas on September 26, 2011, 12:39:34 PM
How about Fritz Kreisler? Just a wild guess, I'm not a fiddle fan
To my ears the music is clearly from the first half of the nineteenth century, with Mozart hovering in the background. That's why I say, with mszczuj who was there first - Ludwig Spohr.
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on September 26, 2011, 12:57:52 PM
To my ears the music is clearly from the first half of the nineteenth century, with Mozart hovering in the background. That's why I say, with mszczuj who was there first - Ludwig Spohr.
You're most likely correct. It's just not my kind of music
I concur with mszczuj on Spohr Concerto 8, I have the score on hand and located the clip. Makes me want to hear the whole piece now. Nice deduction.
Quote from: mszczuj on September 26, 2011, 11:22:18 AM
I know this very well, but I don't know what it is. No one note was strange to me in this clip. But I haven't listen to violin concertos consiously for years - only as sound wallpaper. So I have thought Wieniawski could be good answer. But while listening to it I had an impression that it was from earlier period.
Maybe it is Spohr - 8th concerto?
We have a winner!
Spohr it is, albeit from the first movement of concerto 4 in B minor, Op. 10.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61hqNPOaiFL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Spohr was a major figure in his day, an influential and popular composer, conductor, soloist, and pedagogue, champion of Beethoven's works, inventor of the violin chin rest and score rehearsal letters, etc.
Quote from: Grazioso on September 27, 2011, 04:24:16 AM
We have a winner!
Spohr it is, albeit from the first movement of concerto 4 in B minor, Op. 10.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61hqNPOaiFL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
I listened to this box this year - to some records twice - but I was sure that the only Concerto I could preserve in memory is the 8th which I had listened more times some years ago.
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Spohr was a major figure in his day, an influential and popular composer, conductor, soloist, and pedagogue, champion of Beethoven's works, inventor of the violin chin rest and score rehearsal letters, etc.
I must say listening to his violin concertos was an unstopped pleasure. I was very fond of his symphonies either.
And this is my clip - again some violin in it:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/P6_0KBDT/nicetune.html?
Quote from: mszczuj on September 27, 2011, 04:44:03 AM
And this is my clip - again some violin in it:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/P6_0KBDT/nicetune.html?
Sound French, or French-influenced
Yes.
Poulenc?
No.
Magnard Op. 13 1st movement
Quote from: Grazioso on September 27, 2011, 10:01:29 AM
Magnard Op. 13 1st movement
Yes. Cadenza at the end of slow introducion and the 1st theme.
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I admire so this immoderate work that I couldn't resist temptation. I have seen there are some Magnard symphonies devotees on GMG Forum. I had spent some time with his chamber music before I first time heard his orchetral works and still can't find in the latter those things which I love most in former. (And this uceasing melody of first theme is good eample of it.)
So this is my way to mark that I'm other Magnard fanboy who must spend some time for understanding that his symphonic music is just other than chamber.
Now your turn again.
Old school!
http://www.4shared.com/audio/VXUVsyR4/GMG_Mystery_Clip_8.html
Got to be Machaut? Is it his La Messe de Nostre Dame? or some such.
Quote from: Hattoff on September 27, 2011, 11:54:33 AM
Got to be Machaut? Is it his La Messe de Nostre Dame? or some such.
Right you are.
I have the Naxos Messe de Nostre Dame which is sung more slowly but I love Machaut's lovely crunchy harmonies they remind me of Prokofiev!!............just me.
Back to the future:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/lHvvwYKz/goodstuff.html
Zemilinsky: Die Seejungfrau? (The Mermaid)
I know this piece! But I can't remember the composer. Because it sounds so maritime, is it Enescu's Vox Maris? If it is something else, I'll slap my forehead. [If I'm correct, I don't have time for an upload...]
I'm so sorry lads, but it isn't Zemlinsky or Enescu :(
I'm ashamed to admit it but I have no Zemlinsky, I had something of his on vinyl but it didn't make an impression >:(
On the other hand, I'm very keen, recently, on Enescu, he certainly has an individuality about him. I could just move him in to the top ten but that would mean kicking someone else out. Why is life so difficult? ???
Anyway, my clip's composer is from the same continent as the above but I don't remember him being mentioned on GMG! He's a well known composer eveywhere, except here :o
Quote from: Hattoff on September 28, 2011, 10:46:48 AM
I'm so sorry lads, but it isn't Zemlinsky or Enescu :(
I'm ashamed to admit it but I have no Zemlinsky, I had something of his on vinyl but it didn't make an impression >:(
On the other hand, I'm very keen, recently, on Enescu, he certainly has an individuality about him. I could just move him in to the top ten but that would mean kicking someone else out. Why is life so difficult? ???
Anyway, my clip's composer is from the same continent as the above but I don't remember him being mentioned on GMG! He's a well known composer eveywhere, except here :o
Max Von Schillings?
Nystroem?
Sorry, not Max Von Schillings or Nystroem but Nystroem was a compatriot of his.
And, I must add, although he is well known, it is for just one work and possibly only known here in the UK (not sure about that).
Quote from: Hattoff on September 28, 2011, 11:20:06 AM
Sorry, not Max Von Schillings or Nystroem but Nystroem was a compatriot of his.
And, I must add, although he is well known, it is for just one work and possibly only known here in the UK (not sure about that).
Wiren? He's known mostly for his Serenade.
Quote from: Grazioso on September 28, 2011, 11:24:01 AM
Wiren? He's known mostly for his Serenade.
Oh, I bet you've got it. I tried to soldier through the Wiren symphonies a couple years ago but failed.
Not Wiren.......the other one, like him. ???
Quote from: Hattoff on September 28, 2011, 11:43:39 AM
Not Wiren.......the other one, like him. ???
"the other one, like him."
Christian Sinding?
The lone famous piece of his being "Rustle of Spring"?
No, the other one :'(
This one.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/wVpkJvWm/kickyouself.html
Quote from: Hattoff on September 28, 2011, 12:11:38 PM
This one.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/wVpkJvWm/kickyouself.html
Well, I feel better about myself because I've never heard that piece before.
...and also because it reminded me of a 'Peasant Dance' I know by Hugo Alfven and some rooting around on YouTube confirms that the composer is indeed Hugo Alfven. No clue what work, though: Fourth Symphony?
Good man, it is, indeed, the opening of Alfven's fourth symphony, possibly the most interesting of his five symphonies.
The second clip is from his Swedish Rhapsody No 1 which was used by the BBC for some radio programme or other in the 1950s and is well known here.
Your turn.
Quote from: Hattoff on September 28, 2011, 12:32:53 PM
Good man, it is, indeed, the opening of Alfven's fourth symphony, possibly the most interesting of his five symphonies.
The second clip is from his Swedish Rhapsody No 1 which was used by the BBC for some radio programme or other in the 1950s and is well known here.
Your turn.
Ah, of course, Alfvén!! The problem is - I don't like that Fourth Symphony very much. I did recognise the First Swedish Rhapsody, of course. But I am too late.
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on September 28, 2011, 12:39:28 PM
Ah, of course, Alfvén!! The problem is - I don't like that Fourth Symphony very much. I did recognise the First Swedish Rhapsody, of course. But I am too late.
This could be the first time our tastes in music have diverged?
The end is nigh, we must all prepare for Armageddon >:D >:D >:D
Quote from: Hattoff on September 28, 2011, 12:44:24 PM
This could be the first time our tastes in music have diverged?
The end is nigh, we must all prepare for Armageddon >:D >:D >:D
Hold those Four Horsemen! I love Alfvén! The problem that I have with his Fourth is this: it is meant to be erotic, I believe, but I find it's all build-up with no pay-off, like you have in Scriabin.
Amazingly, this is my first mystery clip in over 6 weeks! Obviously I've been falling down on the job.
Here it is (ignore the technical difficulty in the first second) (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12672585/mysteryclip11.mp3)
It isn't Ives, but it sounds very Ivesian.
Lou Harrison?
Not Harrison or Ives
This is a very stylistically diverse, chameleonlike composer.
Quote from: Hattoff on September 28, 2011, 12:32:53 PM
Good man, it is, indeed, the opening of Alfven's fourth symphony, possibly the most interesting of his five symphonies.
The second clip is from his Swedish Rhapsody No 1 which was used by the BBC for some radio programme or other in the 1950s and is well known here.
Your turn.
I know the Swedish Rhapsody from a Ritchie Blackmore guiter solo on Made in Japan! It was only a few years ago that I finally linked it with Hugo Alfven.
Quote from: Brian on September 28, 2011, 06:01:14 PM
Not Harrison or Ives
This is a very stylistically diverse, chameleonlike composer.
George Antheil?
This composer is such a chameleon s/he's fooled everyone with regard to his/her nationality!
I'll put £1 on a 500/1 outsider, Carmela Mackenna?...........Who?
OK, a Hint: This work was premiered at the BBC Proms.
Quote from: Brian on September 30, 2011, 02:48:29 PM
OK, a Hint: This work was premiered at the BBC Proms.
Out of hundreds that were, I'll guess Richard Rodney Bennett
One of the hints suggests Walter Carlos, but I can't think of a Proms connection, so Thomas Adès?
You have us all stumped :o We need bigger and better clues :'(
Quote from: Hattoff on October 01, 2011, 08:13:45 PM
You have us all stumped :o We need bigger and better clues :'(
I guess so! We've alighted upon the right country (UK)... he's written quite a lot of ragtime music and jazz, an organ concerto, works for clavichord and baryton, and some serial and even aleatory music. While a student in New York he met John Cage and was a lifelong admirer...
How about MALCOLM WILLIAMSON?
Quote from: Amfortas on October 02, 2011, 07:14:22 AM
How about _____ _I____SON?
fixed :P
Luke, if you're reading this thread, you are uniquely well-positioned to identify this composer!
Peter Dickinson?
Quote from: listener on October 02, 2011, 12:01:13 PM
Peter Dickinson?
Yes indeed! The clip is from his piano concerto...
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/7f/32/c923c6da8da00ab148391110.L._AA300_.jpg)
...which was premiered by Howard Shelley in 1984. The excerpt which you've just heard contains a ragtime tune played by a second piano, an upright in the orchestra. This rag has been published separately as the Concerto Rag and can be heard shorn of the original context on Dickinson's CD of his blues, rags, and pastiches:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51vxUKDOkWL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Other piano works include 'Bach in Blue,' 'Three Satie Transformations,' and a rag pastiche of 'God Save the Queen' [along with, it should be said, several substantive serial works]. But the concerto is a fine example of his more serious output, which also includes quite a bit of organ music and a choral 'Mass for the Apocalypse.'
Dickinson also holds a doctorate, writes many articles and books of musicology, and according to a forum search once marked GMGer
Luke's student compositions!
It was the 'blues' hint that helped me. I have a recording of him with his sister of piano music and songs "Four Blues" and "Stevie's Tunes" etc.
This may be a lightning round, but it's rather a fun piece, worth drawing to your attention.
Hints eventually, if necessary, and if I can find some.
Quote from: listener on October 02, 2011, 01:10:07 PM
It was the 'blues' hint that helped me. I have a recording of him with his sister of piano music and songs "Four Blues" and "Stevie's Tunes" etc.
This may be a lightning round, but it's rather a fun piece, worth drawing to your attention.
Hints eventually, if necessary, and if I can find some.
Péter Eötvös: Jet Stream?
Quote from: Amfortas on October 02, 2011, 04:41:04 PM
Péter Eötvös: Jet Stream?
sorry, no.
It looks like it's been one of those days for doing something else, I'll allow some more time for others to access it.
I am surprised. Lightning fast answers to a bit from an uncommon Prokofiev opera, but not this
which I had expected this group to be quite familiar with.
Maybe popular music is a no-no (except for Nono), but why all the interest in Bach's Brandenburgs and Beethoven?
" Since its premiere ... it has been performed more than 653 times, and must then be the most frequently played modern concerto since its premiere."
As much as we would all like it, it's impossible to know every piece of music ever composed :'( That's why we need clues >:D
Since joining in on this thread I have beern listening to and buying music, excerpted here, that heretofore had escaped me. And, that's absolutely wonderful; great discoveries are being made, sometimes, daily :) ;) :D ;D :o :P
Is it Jan Sandstrom A Motorbike Odyssey?
It is! I was afraid that I had come to it late, and that another lightning round was possible.
from the trombonist's website:
"In 1986 Christian Lindberg and Jan Sandström met for the first time in Iceland, and this meeting proved to become a very important moment in the history of the trombone. No other concerto than "A Motorbike Odyssey" has had a bigger impact on the classical music scene in the whole 1990s. It was the perfect "crossover" piece, a piece that brought young people from other genres in to hear classical music concerts, a piece that contemporary composer respected, a piece that the normal classical audience took to their heart despite its avantguard character, and it made bikers around the world put it into their jukeboxes in their cafés. Since its premiere in 1989 with Chrstian Lindberg, Esa-Pekka Salonen and the Swedish Radio Orchestra it has been performed more than 653 times, and must then be the most frequently played modern concerto since its premiere.
The piece is inspired by Christian Lindberg´s travels around the world, and his experiences in Florida(paddling canoe among alligators), Provence(a motorbike race in a medieval village in Provence) in Australia(a cadenza dedicated to the aboriginal people) and finally a motorbike ride in to heaven. It is a phenomenal showpiece that could as well be seen as a pure concerto for trombone, but it has many layers: religon, humour, music theatre, beaty, wildness, and above all: It has proved to be regarded as a milestone in contemporary composition technique. The piece was written for and dedicated to Christian Lindberg and in addition to the 3 years of work before the premiere, the piece has been revised 2001-2002 by Jan Sandström and Christian Lindberg in close collaboration. It exists in two versions: a shorter one of 10minutes and a longer, lasting 20minutes. "
I, too, like this thread for is randomness and the affection that members posting have for their selections.
Yes, it's good here and I shall listen out for Jan Sandstrom from now on.
Here's the next one.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/ogA1Y_BW/beebop.html
Quote from: Hattoff on October 04, 2011, 01:06:16 AM
Yes, it's good here and I shall listen out for Jan Sandstrom from now on.
Here's the next one.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/ogA1Y_BW/beebop.html
Leonard Bernstein...Prelude, Fugue & Riffs?
Quote from: Amfortas on October 04, 2011, 02:14:27 AM
Leonard Bernstein...Prelude, Fugue & Riffs?
Yup, that's the one.
Bernstein wrote some very good works and some very bad works......and then, who hasn't?
Your turn
Quote from: Hattoff on October 04, 2011, 04:34:07 AM
Yup, that's the one.
Bernstein wrote some very good works and some very bad works......and then, who hasn't?
Your turn
Yes that is one of the good ones :D
Here is one I have had ready for some time. Fairly well-known composer (the name is well-known, but few of his works are well-known).
http://www.4shared.com/audio/Y4nq3HIr/Music_of_Mystery.html
Nathaniel Shilkret? Famous mainly for his collaboration with Stravinsky and others in setting part of the book of Genesis to music.
Well, that's what came into my head....I haven't a clue why ???
;D Better known than Shilkret ;D
French? Chausson?
Yes, I know you wrote his but was that to put us off the scent? and is it Lili Boulanger?
Koechlin?
Tournemire - Symphony no. 8?
You're all on the right track, nobody has guessed it yet
This is the prelude to a rarely performed opera
Paul Dukas?
Quote from: Hattoff on October 07, 2011, 09:23:36 PM
Paul Dukas?
A bit less known than Dukas. He is associated with many other famous French composers, and taught several of them
Vincent d'Indy?
Quote from: mszczuj on October 08, 2011, 04:43:49 AM
Vincent d'Indy?
Yes.
Prelude to the opera "L'Etranger"
Quote from: Amfortas on October 08, 2011, 09:05:19 AM
Yes.
Prelude to the opera "L'Etranger"
The clue was to precise I'm afraid. But I thought about similarity of some fragment of Symphonie cevenole to this clip while listening to it yesterday. Of course it was not the only work I found similar.
And now clip with one of my past guilty pleasures:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/u4pbvXhj/easylistening.html
Martinu?
The end of some hugely grandiose work with piano obbligato
Quote from: Amfortas on October 08, 2011, 11:10:17 AM
The end of some hugely grandiose work with piano obbligato
It certainly takes its sweet time in coming to a close!
Quote from: Grazioso on October 08, 2011, 11:04:12 AM
Martinu?
Quote from: Amfortas on October 08, 2011, 11:10:17 AM
The end of some hugely grandiose work with piano obbligato
No.
Of course words "hugely grandiose" are absolutely appropriate.
Quote from: Grazioso on October 08, 2011, 11:11:20 AM
It certainly takes its sweet time in coming to a close!
About a quarter.
ADAMS Grand Pianola Music?
Quote from: listener on October 08, 2011, 12:01:15 PM
ADAMS Grand Pianola Music?
No.
There is no solo piano part in this work. As far as I remember it is only used in one fragment as one of the orchestra voices. I haven't listened to the whole work now.
Once again the link to the clip:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/u4pbvXhj/easylistening.html
just a wild guess: how about Louis Adriessen?
No.
The composer is especially known as film music composer and has a thread in Composer Discussion section.
How about Ennio Morricone?
Korngold?
Less known than any of them.
Franz WAXMAN?
(It sounds like an attempt at a would-be Bruckner piano concerto.)
Maurice jarre?
Lawrence of A?
Quote from: Hattoff on October 11, 2011, 05:50:37 AM
Maurice jarre?
Lawrence of A?
Very good shot as the story told in the clip is about the trek through the desert.
Quote from: mszczuj on October 11, 2011, 06:52:03 AM
Very good shot as the story told in the clip is about the trek through the desert.
Gabriel (The English Patient) Yared?
This is the film music composer but not the film music clip.
How about William Alwyn?
How about the discarded music to Troy?
This is not film music. This composer is not from an english-speaking country but was working for Hollywood.
I give up! I haven't a clue, what's going on?
This work for choir and orchestra was highly appreciated in its country as a kind of political manifestation.
A Russky?
Perhaps Hugarian/Polish/Czech, perhaps emigrated, working in movies...
No names spring to mind, Gurrelieder, Koosuth, butt....did Tansman work in the movies?
What about Martinu?
Better-known for other things than film scores are Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Penderecki, and Khrennikov.
Maybe Artemyev? I've got a copy of Stalker waiting to be looked at.
Quote from: The new erato on October 12, 2011, 01:11:43 AM
Perhaps Hugarian/Polish/Czech,
Yes
Quote
perhaps emigrated, working in movies...
No.
Quote
No names spring to mind, Gurrelieder, Koosuth, butt....did Tansman work in the movies?
What about Martinu?
The most - probably - popular fim score of this still living composer is from 1992. Music of the clip is 11 years earlier.
That Polish guy with miusic for the Koslowski movies?
Quote from: The new erato on October 12, 2011, 02:31:20 AM
That Polish guy
Yes.
Quote
with miusic for the Koslowski movies?
I don't know if he made music for Koslowski movies, but he did for Polanski.
Or Coppola.
Quote from: mszczuj on October 12, 2011, 02:45:31 AM
Yes.
I don't know if he made music for Koslowski movies, but he did for Polanski.
Or Coppola.
Komeda
Komeda died in 1969.
I'm thinking Requiem for a Dream and the Red, White and Blue mobies, Preiseror something like that..
Kiezlowsky and Preisner
Quote from: The new erato on October 12, 2011, 03:50:55 AM
Kiezlowsky and Preisner
Ah those guys. Kieślowski and Preisner. No, Preisner is a self-taught amateur, our composer was Nadia Boulanger's student.
W. Kilar?
Quote from: Grazioso on October 12, 2011, 04:16:12 AM
W. Kilar?
Wojciech Kilar - Exodus
[asin]B00005UO8R[/asin]
Here you can listen to the whole megabombastic work.
http://www.youtube.com/v/kKXSNyGYOEI
Now your turn.
Wit BTW is also listed as a Boulanger student.
Quote from: mszczuj on October 12, 2011, 04:45:55 AM
Wojciech Kilar - Exodus
Here you can listen to the whole megabombastic work.
I like that term! That was a tough one. The 1992 clue helped (
Dracula).
Quote from: The new erato on October 12, 2011, 04:55:00 AM
Wit BTW is also listed as a Boulanger student.
She taught everyone, it seems. Amazing lady.
New clip:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/nDzNU1Ap/GMG_Mystery_Clip_9.html
I like the new clip :)
Scandinavian?
KABELAC`The 'Mystery of Time?
Quote from: listener on October 15, 2011, 09:28:04 PM
KABELAC`The 'Mystery of Time?
No, that's a new name to me...must investigate.
This piece comes from North America.
a passacaglia or chaconne sound to it, not Corigliano, his is for violin (or maybe viola?) and orch.
Might be something by Piston?
Quote from: listener on October 18, 2011, 01:45:45 AM
a passacaglia or chaconne sound to it, not Corigliano, his is for violin (or maybe viola?) and orch.
Might be something by Piston?
Not Corigliano or Piston.
Hint: It's WWII vintage.
Bumped for new page
http://www.4shared.com/audio/nDzNU1Ap/GMG_Mystery_Clip_9.html
Max Steiner?
Quote from: Amfortas on October 18, 2011, 06:16:17 AM
Max Steiner?
No, afaik, this composer never wrote for film. He primarily focused on orchestral and chamber works, with one ballet and some vocal works.
Quote from: Grazioso on October 18, 2011, 06:23:14 AM
No, afaik, this composer never wrote for film. He primarily focused on orchestral and chamber works, with one ballet and some vocal works.
:'( Duh, that's my fault - I keep forgetting we finished off that last film composer.....
Barber - 2nd Essay?
Quote from: mszczuj on October 18, 2011, 01:23:11 PM
Barber - 2nd Essay?
No. Here's a visual clue that should be easy for rock fans
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XXM93D1BL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Quote from: Grazioso on October 19, 2011, 05:31:30 AM
No. Here's a visual clue that should be easy for rock fans
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XXM93D1BL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
I never heard of a composer called Van Halen, so I can't imagine what it could be
David DIAMOND? but I don't know the work, except for the "Rounds" which this isn't.
Quote from: listener on October 19, 2011, 09:46:54 AM
David DIAMOND? but I don't know the work, except for the "Rounds" which this isn't.
You are right! David Lee Roth's nickname is Diamond Dave. The piece is David Diamond's powerful Brucknerian 2nd symphony.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51WGHADxyWL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Funny I thought of David Diamond when I saw David Lee Roth, but figured it was too far-fetched a guess
Glad to see an underperformed American composer in this game
moving on, with a quotation, I perceive, that is not mentioned in the notes for either of the recordings that I have.
The composer was not "at home" when he wrote this,
a bit more:
He was away with a "friend" for peace and quiet. The "quotation" might now reqarded as a politically correct partner to the more obvious one usually noted.
Britten in USA?
getting really close, can you name the piece?
Not really. Is there a soloist of some kind to be introduced?
Quote from: The new erato on October 21, 2011, 03:02:28 PM
Not really. Is there a soloist of some kind to be introduced?
no, try to figure out what the "quotation" might be.
The tune would be common to "home" and the present (the mystery clip) and future.
Quote from: The new erato on October 21, 2011, 02:34:58 PM
Britten in USA?
time to end this... Britten in
Canada - Canadian Carnival Overture, op. 19
I believe we are hearing a reference to 'God save the King' (the 'Send him victorious, happy and glorious' bit). the French-Canadian folksong 'Alouette, gentille alouette' makes a politically correct balance.
The later reference would be to the American use of the tune in 'My Country 'tis of Thee'
over to you
bump
try this later recording.
First one was an American LP.
... and since it's Oct. 31 already in some time zones, there is appropriately a dead body in the work(s).
Nothing is going on so what do you think about this:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/ma-h1eha/Track.html
Quote from: mszczuj on November 02, 2011, 11:19:09 AM
Nothing is going on so what do you think about this:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/ma-h1eha/Track.html
It sounds familiar, I'll have to think about it. My last one has only 9 plays, I'll wait for a dozen before revealing. No bagpipes in it so that might have obscured the origin.
QuoteSTWPD.mp3 (350.61 kB - downloaded 9 times.)
I rather like Listener's second version of his clip, but I can't identify it
Quote from: Amfortas on November 02, 2011, 01:07:12 PM
I rather like Listener's second version of his clip, but I can't identify it
I suspect I heard it but really don't know where look for it. Satie? Prokfiev?
Bump for new^page
There is a body (suitable for Oct.31 posting, I thought), but no bagpipes. Surfing in the Virgin Islands? - Bull!!!!
The distance hidden in the title is 1472 miles or 2368.45 Kilometers.
The score includes a biscuit tin(filled with glass fragments)/football rattle/BD/4metal scaffold tubes and 2hammers
One of those composers who are easy to mis-file.
Quote from: listener on November 02, 2011, 06:10:27 PM
Bump for new^page
There is a body (suitable for Oct.31 posting, I thought), but no bagpipes. Surfing in the Virgin Islands? - Bull!!!!
The distance hidden in the title is 1472 miles or 2368.45 Kilometers.
The score includes a biscuit tin(filled with glass fragments)/football rattle/BD/4metal scaffold tubes and 2hammers
No, I was wrong I hadn't heard it. But as it is googlable I know what it is now.
Time to end this one:
Perter Maxwell Davies Fantasy on John Bull's St. Thomas WakeThe distance in the clue is from St.Thomas (Virgin Islands for the surfing reference) to Wake Forest. The bagpipe reference is to PMD's An Orkney Sunrise, with Bagpipes.
The composer gets shelved in the M--'s or D--'s - rather like trying to find Vaughn Williams but finding him with Grace and John.
current outstanding one from mszcuj:
Nothing is going on so what do you think about this:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/ma-h1eha/Track.html
Quote from: listener on November 06, 2011, 01:10:44 AM
Nothing is going on so what do you think about this:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/ma-h1eha/Track.html
Sounds like Schumann to me, but not a piece that I know
Quote from: Amfortas on November 06, 2011, 03:33:02 AM
Sounds like Schumann to me, but not a piece that I know
Not Schumann, but really close.
I thought for a moment Liszt, but it's surely not. Sound might be Mendelssohn?
Quote from: listener on November 07, 2011, 01:23:38 AM
I thought for a moment Liszt, but it's surely not. Sound might be Mendelssohn?
Definitely sounds more along the Mendelssohn/Schumann axis. I wonder if it's one of them or an obscurity I can hunt for... :)
Quote from: Grazioso on November 07, 2011, 04:12:22 AM
Definitely sounds more along the Mendelssohn/Schumann axis. I wonder if it's one of them or an obscurity I can hunt for... :)
I would bet you have it in your collection.
Is this one of those Berlioz overtures? They never sound like anything to me
Quote from: Amfortas on November 07, 2011, 03:07:10 PM
Is this one of those Berlioz overtures? They never sound like anything to me
Definitely not! Also, I'm scandalized.
It sounds like a vaguely-original Germanic of the period: Raff, Rufinatscha, Spohr, Farrenc maybe.
Best shots so far are: Mendelssohn, Schumann, Liszt, Rufinatscha - thiis is exactly the same generation.
But the reason I decided to make this clip is that I had found it very similar - for my ear - to the music of the very popular composer of the next generation (and in some sense friend of the mystery composer). I was curious if somebody would notice this resemblance or if it was only my impression.
Quote from: mszczuj on November 07, 2011, 04:10:25 PM
Best shots so far are: Mendelssohn, Schumann, Liszt, Rufinatscha - thiis is exactly the same generation.
But the reason I decided to make this clip is that I had found it very similar - for my ear - to the music of the very popular composer of the next generation (and in some sense friend of the mystery composer). I was curious if somebody would notice this resemblance or if it was only my impression.
It really sounds very much like Schumann to me. So is it an early, seldom performed work by a major composer of the early 20th C?
Quote from: Amfortas on November 08, 2011, 02:38:23 AM
It really sounds very much like Schumann to me. So is it an early, seldom performed work by a major composer of the early 20th C?
No, no. This is contemporary of Schumann. They met several times. His symphonies are sometimes regarded the missing link between symphonies of Schumann and symphonies of the famous composer of
the very next generation who was a friend of our composer. And yes, this is the fragment of one of these symphonies.
He wrote piano and some violin music, string quartets, piano trios (one of them was especially highly appreciated), overtures, serenades, some concert works (the only exact concerto is probably now his most popular work) and some - probably - less important vocal music.
Well, I would guess based on that that the composer is Albert Dietrich, for I know Brahms kept Dietrich's symphonies in his library, and that Dietrich's piano trio was once thought to be Brahms'. But alas, it cannot be, for Dietrich wrote multiple concertos...
Ferdinand David perhaps? No...
Quote from: Brian on November 09, 2011, 05:01:24 PM
Well, I would guess based on that that the composer is Albert Dietrich, for I know Brahms kept Dietrich's symphonies in his library, and that Dietrich's piano trio was once thought to be Brahms'. But alas, it cannot be, for Dietrich wrote multiple concertos...
Dietriech is rather the next generation - the generation of Brahms.
But there are some similiiarites.
For example - in the field of symphony they worked for the same record label.
And there is other even more tight connection of this kind between them.
My book on Schumann is... not at hand, so from other sources let's start weeding them out. Carl Reinecke? (but I see 3 concertos - harp, violin, piano.)
Quote from: mszczuj on November 09, 2011, 08:37:22 PM
Dietriech is rather the next generation - the generation of Brahms.
But there are some similarities.
For example - in the field of symphony they worked for the same record label.
And there is other even more tight connection of this kind between them.
What I mean?
If you compare several times the Amazon Best Sellers Ranks of the most popular record which contains Dietrich music and of the most popular record which contains mystery composer's music you will find that distance between them never changes!
Quote from: mszczuj on November 09, 2011, 08:37:22 PM
For example - in the field of symphony they worked for the same record label.
Record labels in Brahms' time? Most intriguing novelty, sir! :D
Quote from: Florestan on November 10, 2011, 02:32:16 AM
Record labels in Brahms' time? Most intriguing novelty, sir! :D
Music is the eternal art, sir!
Quote from: mszczuj on November 02, 2011, 11:19:09 AM
http://www.4shared.com/audio/ma-h1eha/Track.html
This is contemporary of Schumann. They met several times. His symphonies are sometimes regarded the missing link between symphonies of Schumann and symphonies of the famous composer of the very next generation who was a friend of our composer. And yes, this is the fragment of one of these symphonies.
He wrote piano and some violin music, string quartets, piano trios (one of them was especially highly appreciated), overtures, serenades, some concert works (the only exact concerto is probably now his most popular work) and some - probably - less important vocal music.
Dietriech is rather the next generation - the generation of Brahms.
But there are some similarities.
For example - in the field of symphony they worked for the same record label.
And there is other even more tight connection of this kind between them.
What I mean?
If you compare several times the Amazon Best Sellers Ranks of the most popular record which contains Dietrich music and of the most popular record which contains mystery composer's music you will find that distance between them never changes!
The trio mentioned above was a favorite piece of Liszt who played it frequently with Joachim.
When in 1875 Liszt founded conservatory in Budapest, our composer who lived in this city since 1841 (with the 4 years break in 1850-es) became a professor of harmony and counterpoint there.
Quote from: mszczuj on November 11, 2011, 05:46:36 AM
The trio mentioned above was a favorite piece of Liszt who played it frequently with Joachim.
When in 1875 Liszt founded conservatory in Budapest, our composer who lived in this city since 1841 (with the 4 years break in 1850-es) became a professor of harmony and counterpoint there.
Robert Volkmann ! ! !
Quote from: Florestan on November 14, 2011, 12:52:32 AM
Robert Volkmann ! ! !
[asin]B000001RV3[/asin]
This was a fragment of the 1st movement of the 2nd Symphony Op.53 In B Flat composed in 1865.
Probably the most popular record of Volkmann music is the same which is the the most popular record of Dietrch music:
[asin]B000LV6CLE[/asin]
And you can listen here to the famous trio:
http://www.youtube.com/v/QbiKrE5aqs4
Or you can go to Youtube page for some useful remarks about the trio in the comments:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbiKrE5aqs4
We seem to have grown bored with this thread, but I'll put this up:
composer should be instantaneous, but what is it?
small hint: it is Gerald Moore playing
another hint: it's the only composition I know that refers to "Götz" von Berlichingen.
...written under duress to fulfill a contract, the publisher had to accept the work but then refused to publish it.
... and Deutsche Grammophon described a section as "uns leider nicht möglich*" and refused to print the text. EMI had no such reservations on a later recording.
*not very nice
listener, that download does not seem to work? I only a .php file....can you check it?
It opens for me in a Windows Player, could this be that Windows 7 problem we had earlier? - yes I seem to remember Windows captures in .php format, I'may have a way to convert it.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/I9ylEY9y/Shop_copy_2.html
I will try to get acquainted here with unfamiliar good music.
For lovers of russian opera music try to guess composer (3 minutes episode in mp3):
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1h0uFkNyegeUNtDM1fgil_2ZxG-2RxWgL
Quote from: listener on December 01, 2011, 01:40:47 AM
another hint: it's the only composition I know that refers to "Götz" von Berlichingen.
Paul Dukas - an Ouverture
Karl Goldmark: an opera
Carl Reinecke: Lied des Georg im Götz von Berlichingen ????
Quote from: Dima on May 10, 2020, 06:34:54 AM
I will try to get acquainted here with unfamiliar good music.
For lovers of russian opera music try to guess composer (3 minutes episode in mp3):
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1h0uFkNyegeUNtDM1fgil_2ZxG-2RxWgL
Anton Rubinstein?
Quote from: Florestan on August 14, 2020, 01:53:16 AM
Anton Rubinstein?
Thank you for the try. Just a moment I will listen.... No, this is not Anton.
This composer considered by members of the Mighty Handful as the main specialist in opera genre among them.
Rimsky-Korsakov? I Kind of recognise it as being from one of his operas. I have been going through Rimsky-Korsakov's operas for the last couple of years: wonderful music.
Quote from: Hattoff on October 19, 2020, 10:38:17 PM
Rimsky-Korsakov? I Kind of recognise it as being from one of his operas. I have been going through Rimsky-Korsakov's operas for the last couple of years: wonderful music.
It is from opera-ballet Mlada every act of which was written by different composer. The composition of the score was divided between César Cui, Modest Mussorgsky, Nikolay Rimsky-Korsakov and Aleksandr Borodin, including interpolated ballet music by Ludwig Minkus. The whole 1 act was written and orchestrated by Cesar Cui - and the fragment I gave on forum is the end of this 1st act and written by Cui. I decided to give this beautiful fragment as an example of what Cui could compose. In soviet times music of Cui was claimed as bad, that is why you don't need to hear it (but the truth was that he had not russian nationality) and practicaly was not recorded. This fragment show what his opera music is lool like (he wrote about 15 operas). And we can hear Cui on this recording only because this work was labeled on CD and attributed to Rimskiy-Korsakov without any coauthors. If it is interesting I have an article in pdf where it is written who wrote every act and fragment.
Thanks, Dima!
we can try to continue this game?
I'll be back with a suggestion....
Here's a piece of cake.
https://gofile.io/d/1XXdJN (https://gofile.io/d/1XXdJN)
Quote from: Florestan on October 21, 2020, 03:01:59 AM
Here's a piece of cake.
https://gofile.io/d/1XXdJN (https://gofile.io/d/1XXdJN)
I hear Schubert and Chopin but it is not they. First I decided it may be Hummel.
Then with the help of computer program I found out real composer.
Quote from: Dima on October 22, 2020, 07:33:25 AM
I hear Schubert and Chopin but it is not they. First I decided it may be Hummel.
Then with the help of computer program I found out real composer.
That's cheating, Dima! :D